Personal observation i was born and raised in. Upper Michigan, that area was clear cut. completely a hundred years ago,and now you can't tell.
I remember my dads land and a lot of of land being clear cut 40 years ago,and now it's thick forest. I actually preferred hunting grouse as a kid in areas that were recently logged as their was much more game.
From personal experience, there's not much game in an overgrown forest. A mile away in a clear cut area there's birds, rabbits, squirrels, deer, and even the occasional lynx or fox.
I second Pbman2. I was born, raised, and live in the Puget Sound area of Washington. Timber harvesting is a MAJOR industry (the Boeing family started out in timber harvesting). There is a mountainous hillside south of Bellingham (my home town) on Interstate 5, on which I have seen the hillside clear-cut and completely regrown over about 4 cycles in about 20-30 years. I haven't been back enough to continue counting. Here, in my own suburban neighborhood, a tract of several acres of standing Douglas Fir was cleared for development. What emerged from the clearing operation were two abandoned houses, dating from the 1950s, judging from the style and fixtures. Completely invisible. My own house is surrounded by 100-foot tall Douglas Firs from pre-existing forest. Some that had been cut down for various reasons had stumps with rings indicating ages of some 70 years. Settlement and farming in Whatcom County was impossible without first cutting down forest, in order to have open land. Where trees grow and rainfall is copious (e.g., 50 inches/year), it is impossible for them not to grow. They are like weeds.
I think forests have more of a chance in the East than in the West where it's mostly drier, but I've seen places in Southern California that burned and the forest didn't come back.
I'd be surprised if anyone is even building shopping malls anywhere. Maybe multi-purpose shopping centers/strip malls, but shopping malls should cease to exist.
Forest management will create jobs and sustainability of our timber. It will be nice to NOT see ports in Oregon and Washington full of bare logs heading to China while we have to get our lumber from Canada.
Not true ,mainly spruce,and every carpenter knows yellow wood pine is king and oak in which Canada has little of,but i will give you the maple syrup thing,CUK
It won’t be a Brazilian slash and burn it will be a take and replace program. Europe has literally been doing for centuries. I think we have plenty of expert forestry/logging personnel.
They seem to be tending their Sequoias okay. Don't confuse southern California with northern California. The original white Californians were okay people, until the immigration from other states began to squeeze them out monetarily.
I've only ever been as far north as San Francisco but I worked a lot in San Diego and Monterrey Park. I'd actually like to see NorCal at some point - I've heard they are more "red".
I'm more worried about how the forestry people (and the electric companies) don't - or aren't allowed to - do forest maintenance and then complain when things burn. I never understood it until I learned a lot of it is a land/property grab.
As near as I can tell from the history of events, the professional foresters want to do the proper job and eliminate deadwood and underbrush. But they are stymied by policy. There seems to be a particularly vicious aversion to harvesting deadwood, since the forest is deemed untouchable by the enviro-greenies. (These are people who, if put in charge of agriculture, would starve us all to death.)
By the way, Crescent City is quite a scenic place to visit. Mt. Shasta is also beautiful.
One does not cut forests down. One does sustainable logging.
Most places,you can clear cut and they grow back with no problem. It's actually pretty hard to stop them.
got any sources to read, im genuinly curious on how what your describing works fren. like this is the 1st im hearing aboutsuch a thing
Personal observation i was born and raised in. Upper Michigan, that area was clear cut. completely a hundred years ago,and now you can't tell.
I remember my dads land and a lot of of land being clear cut 40 years ago,and now it's thick forest. I actually preferred hunting grouse as a kid in areas that were recently logged as their was much more game.
https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=tablet-android-samsung-rvo1&source=android-browser&q=upper+peninsula+logging+history
From personal experience, there's not much game in an overgrown forest. A mile away in a clear cut area there's birds, rabbits, squirrels, deer, and even the occasional lynx or fox.
They say the local Indians would burn the forest so their would be more game.....
I second Pbman2. I was born, raised, and live in the Puget Sound area of Washington. Timber harvesting is a MAJOR industry (the Boeing family started out in timber harvesting). There is a mountainous hillside south of Bellingham (my home town) on Interstate 5, on which I have seen the hillside clear-cut and completely regrown over about 4 cycles in about 20-30 years. I haven't been back enough to continue counting. Here, in my own suburban neighborhood, a tract of several acres of standing Douglas Fir was cleared for development. What emerged from the clearing operation were two abandoned houses, dating from the 1950s, judging from the style and fixtures. Completely invisible. My own house is surrounded by 100-foot tall Douglas Firs from pre-existing forest. Some that had been cut down for various reasons had stumps with rings indicating ages of some 70 years. Settlement and farming in Whatcom County was impossible without first cutting down forest, in order to have open land. Where trees grow and rainfall is copious (e.g., 50 inches/year), it is impossible for them not to grow. They are like weeds.
If you cut them down twice, you've taken all the nutrients and chances are they won't grow back. It also depends on the climate.
Our soil is really thick in most places,so I've never seen that.
I have seen trees grow in depleted soil that the hay has been cut on for many years,the grass gets thin and then the trees have a chance to start.
I think forests have more of a chance in the East than in the West where it's mostly drier, but I've seen places in Southern California that burned and the forest didn't come back.
If they bun in michigan,they come back better.
Can't we farm trees rather than destroy the animals habitat? This isn't good news to me.
A lot of land back east was farmland back in the day,and has returned to forest. The amount of board feet of standing timber has increased in the US.
No one is building shoping malls in the middle of nowhere.
I'd be surprised if anyone is even building shopping malls anywhere. Maybe multi-purpose shopping centers/strip malls, but shopping malls should cease to exist.
Forest management will create jobs and sustainability of our timber. It will be nice to NOT see ports in Oregon and Washington full of bare logs heading to China while we have to get our lumber from Canada.
There is nothing about Canada that is superior, especially their leaders.
Not getting enough S&M action on Bluesky so you have to post here to get your abuse fix?
I guess that depends on where in Canada it comes from and where it is milled - the same as lumber from the PNW before China became the #1 customer.
Kek The magic borderline makes the trees better?
Not true ,mainly spruce,and every carpenter knows yellow wood pine is king and oak in which Canada has little of,but i will give you the maple syrup thing,CUK
Start off with clearing the Beetle Kill. There's a big market for that.
"all" = not even half lol
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It won’t be a Brazilian slash and burn it will be a take and replace program. Europe has literally been doing for centuries. I think we have plenty of expert forestry/logging personnel.
Don't go to California to find any forest specialists.
They seem to be tending their Sequoias okay. Don't confuse southern California with northern California. The original white Californians were okay people, until the immigration from other states began to squeeze them out monetarily.
I've only ever been as far north as San Francisco but I worked a lot in San Diego and Monterrey Park. I'd actually like to see NorCal at some point - I've heard they are more "red".
I'm more worried about how the forestry people (and the electric companies) don't - or aren't allowed to - do forest maintenance and then complain when things burn. I never understood it until I learned a lot of it is a land/property grab.
As near as I can tell from the history of events, the professional foresters want to do the proper job and eliminate deadwood and underbrush. But they are stymied by policy. There seems to be a particularly vicious aversion to harvesting deadwood, since the forest is deemed untouchable by the enviro-greenies. (These are people who, if put in charge of agriculture, would starve us all to death.)
By the way, Crescent City is quite a scenic place to visit. Mt. Shasta is also beautiful.