What would Jesus do?
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This response is to your other post. I’m going to have them both here, with this response coming later. No point having two going.
Original: https://greatawakening.win/p/19AxC4xsyn/x/c/4eSk01A6CRd
No, it means I’ve been very tired, which is also why my Month 3 Winning post didn’t get completed (yet)
I meant where you think God is. Per note, it’s in your other comment.
Now there’s something I never caught before, nice one! That strikes me as someone laying out an early frame-job blackmail/discredit trap! Playbook known.
You missed my point completely. In the case presented, my name IS “Runs with Scissors” - a Hebraic/Native American meaning-granting style name. I then tell you that is my name, which in this metaphor, it is. If that IS my name, I tell you it is my name, people believe it is my name, and it is the name by which I am known, then it is my name, stating that it is my name is not deceitful, but simple truth.
That the answer to Moses is not “My name is Jimmy” does not mean that Moses was not told the name. It is “I Am, that I Am”
He did not give a pseudonym. The entire concept of names in older languages is to be a description of the truest essence - either in truth, or hoped for - of a being’s character.
With that, I’ll pause there before moving on. This point must be cleared up first, as the simplest one I see to come to agreement on.
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I don't know what this means either??
To be fair, its a naked young man (16-21yo) still. In Plato's "Phaedrus," Socrates uses the term "neaniskos" to refer to a young man who has reached the age of adolescence but is not yet considered an adult.
Or to normalize pedophilia along with John 6, to normalize cannibalism and their evil rituals. What was in that cup he wanted his father to take from him? [Mark 14:36]
Take your time in your replies, even if its a week or month, no hurry, I want the A game.
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Thanks, Appreciated.
Context: continuing discourse on whether or not YHWH is the devil.
Do you think Jesus was actually arrested for kidnapping that 'naked boy' rather than because the Roman government was told He was starting an insurrection? See Ellicot's commentary here, it's the only one I've ever read which makes any real sense of Mark 14:51.
As is pointed out, the same word νεανίσκος is also used in Matt. 19:20 to describe the rich man who refused to part with his wealth to follow Christ. The dove-tail at the end of Ellicot's remarks is dasting.
Side note: Using Socrates, who lived some 430 years before Christ as a base for how to interpret the word νεανίσκος is ridiculous. How much has the english language evolved from 430 years ago?! I find this point to be nonsense.
Anyways the idea that Mark 14:51 was actually describing a most disgusting alternate reality is absurd given the culmination of everything Christ did and said. It's a polar inversion of His character, just like calling YHWH satan.
The passages you listed, such as where YHWH said the Israelite's wives would be taken by other men, are indeed dreadful examples of God's severity (and also of the serious nature of sin), which was all thankfully exhausted upon mankind (as a collective unit) at the cross. God was harsh in the Mosaic covenant because in order to preserve mankind long enough to save us by sending the Messiah to balance the equation between holy God and unholy man, further sinning had to be clamped down on. Israel was 'on the ark' so to say, travelling to safety (aka restoration to 'made in the image of God'), but if they destroyed one another along the way, what would be left to save? (Remember, Israel was unique at the time regarding morality laws. It was special. The other nations' systems were inferior and allowed sin to abound and become normalized. (don't worry about the Talmudic Period segment and further, I didn't even read that shit.)) Sin therefore had to carry consequences beyond itself. Look into pre-flood man & Sodom and Gomorrah; we literally couldn't continue much longer in such mentalities-corporeal.
God was being the ultimate "tough love" dad to save His kids from obliterating themselves in sin. Not only would He allow the kids to get their ass beat, He'd beat them Himself. Not only would He not bail them out of jail, He'd drive them to the jail personally. God told them what would happen if they broke His laws, and they did so repeatedly; and it played out exactly as God said it would when they did. The Assyrians, Babylonians, Romans, all instruments of God's strict punishment upon rebellious, idolatrous Israel. And Israel, though they suffered greatly, managed to survive until Christ arrived. We can likely thank the righteous remnant who saw the wickedness in Israel, called it out, and were martyred for it. Isaiah in particular had it bad; it is said he was sawn in half! Doubt they used electric saws back then 😬
Deut. 28 has important end-cap contexts:
And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God. . . . But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
YHWH's 'if-thens' are nothing to trifle with! (just like any good dad's)
Only when you're spiritually blinded like Catholics and EO who claim the bread and wine literally turn into Jesus kek. The bread and wine are metaphors. John 6 explains it:
Read John 6:26-66 for a complete context of the 'eucharist' (I don't like that word but whatever). We know christians still get hungry, so Jesus had to also be speaking metaphorically when He said whoever comes to Him will "never hunger or thirst".
As we see, even many of His followers stopped following Him after hearing all this eat my flesh talk. I bet Jesus wanted to thin the herd before things got really dangerous. Can't have wishy-washy followers when it's life or death. The plan had to be completed, with no risk of premature subversion.
The eucharist also has another, simpler meaning as well: When we take 'communion' we are doing it to remember the torture and execution Jesus went through to save us. It's really simple. Religion has turned it into an utter farce.
Jesus often spoke in metaphors (e.g., “I am the door,” “I am the vine”). We know He wasn't a literal door or vine. Furthermore the 'Last Supper' was a Passover meal, where bread and wine already had symbolic meaning (see Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:16 where he calls it a “participation” (koinonia) in Christ’s body and blood, not a physical transformation.) So we are fellowshipping together in remembering His sacrifice which saved us all.
By mapping the Last Supper onto the Passover, Jesus gave his disciples a familiar framework to understand his sacrifice. The bread and wine, which already had symbolic meaning in the Passover, were now imbued with new significance. They pointed to Jesus as the ultimate Passover lamb, whose death would bring about a final and complete deliverance from sin and she'ol, fulfilling the promises of the Old Testament and inaugurating the new covenant (Hebrews 9, 1 Peter 1).
(During the Passover, the Israelites were instructed to eat a meal that included unleavened bread and bitter herbs, and to apply the blood of a lamb to their doorposts to protect them from the angel of death. This meal symbolized their deliverance from slavery (in Egypt) and their salvation from God's judgment. (Jesus delivered from more than just a single, physical slavery, and delivered more than only Israel.))
First, the commandment doesn't say 'kill' it says 'murder', which makes a distinction. Killing in the process of defending yourself, or during a war or conquest, is not the same thing as stabbing someone to death because they made you mad.
YHWH told Saul to eliminate the Amalekites entirely because they had been and were going to be a problem for Israel (remember the ark discussion above as to why Israel was important to protect), yet Saul disobeyed by sparing the life of Amalek's king, and the livestock. So Saul did not break 'thou shall not commit murder'. As to the coveting and stealing, perhaps he did. Regardless, he was quickly punished by YHWH for this event, so the point is moot.
According to Exodus 19, the entire house of Israel was to be priests, but YHWH established the Levitical Order because the sins of the people prevented this direct access to Him. (Think of a filtration system / buffer zone.) The specific commissioning of Aaron, his sons, and their descendants to serve in the Tabernacle is found in Exodus 27, immediately following the instructions for building the Tabernacle. The offerings system was also to foreshadow what Christ would do for us, as well as to make sin a real bitch to commit. You'd have to do all that offering for every sin, which was expensive, and most likely very annoying! YHWH was showing us just what sin is really like to Him. It's an annoying, gruesom, sad and costly thing. You think the Israelites didn't grow fond of their animals? You think it didn't hurt their hearts to see their throats slit and bodies burned? That's what sin does to YHWH's heart, though He survives it all. It's like watching your kids get into hard drugs and destroy themselves. Where do you think all the pent up rage YHWH accumulated from witnessing every sin ever committed went? (it had to go somewhere...think of the ultimate example of The Law of the Conservation of Energy) He unloaded it on Jesus, and now it's gone. If we don't believe that, perhaps we'll catch some ripples of it when we die? Echoes in eternity..
Indeed. Read the entire chapter 45. Do you think the Creator of everything somehow doesn't have the right to smash up the parts He isn't happy with? The parts that have corroded and festered? Imagine if Sodom and Gomorrah was allowed to continue, their putrid filth would have infected everybody and become the norm! Indeed look back through history and honestly tell me mankind as a whole hasn't matured from its initial barbaric and disgusting state, and I'll yield this entire arguement to you and call YHWH the devil!
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