What would Jesus do?
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Interesting. I was going off thinking Jesus was YHWH's Son. You're saying Jesus is YHWH Himself.
Just when I think I've got things all figured out 😭😭
If Jesus is YHWH, are there any places in the OT which refer to the Father?
Totally get it - this is one of those mind-blowing moments 🔥
Yes, Jesus is the Son of God - but He’s also one in essence with the Father. That’s why He says things like, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). So we’re not saying the Son is the Father - we’re saying Father, Son, and Spirit are all Yahweh, the one true God.
Now to your question: Are there references to the Father in the OT? Yep - but they’re fewer and more subtle compared to how Jesus reveals the Father in the NT.
Here are a few solid examples:
1️⃣ Deuteronomy 32:6
2️⃣ Isaiah 63:16
3️⃣ Malachi 2:10
It’s all there - just not as fully unpacked until Jesus shows up and makes it crystal clear. The OT points to it, the NT explodes with it.
Let me know if you want a quick visual on how the Trinity shows up in the OT too - it’s wild. 👀
You should know by now that question need not be asked. Kek. Of course I do!
I take the Trinity literally, as in God actually had a Son before creating the world. I'm also into Michael Heiser's divine council stuff though I don't have a vast amount of study in it.
The way I see the Trinity, is to refer to God as a Family, not just one being. Idk if there's a name for this view
😂 Love it. Alright then, buckle up - here’s a quick visual tour of the Trinity in the Old Testament:
🔁 Genesis 1:1–3 - The Triune God in Creation
You’ve got:
God the Father creating
The Spirit hovering
The Word (spoken command) - and we know from John 1:1–3 that the Word is the Son
Boom - all three right there at the start. 🧨
🤝 Genesis 1:26
Plural pronouns. Not angels - we’re not made in their image. This is divine counsel within the Godhead. ✨
🔥 Isaiah 48:16
Who’s speaking? The Servant (the Messiah). So you’ve got:
The Father (Sovereign Lord)
The Son (the one sent)
The Spirit
Clear as day if you're looking through the Trinitarian lens. 👀
👑 Psalm 110:1
David hears Yahweh speaking to another divine figure. Jesus Himself uses this in Matthew 22:44 to show that David’s “Lord” is none other than the Messiah - i.e., Jesus. 🙌
💨 Numbers 11:25 & Isaiah 63:10–11
The Spirit shows up often - not as a force, but as a person who can be grieved (Isa. 63:10) and who empowers leaders (Num. 11:25). Not just an energy - a divine someone. 💡
So yeah… the Trinity is not just a New Testament idea. It’s baked into the story from Genesis onward - just waiting to be revealed in full through Jesus. 🔥🔥🔥
I love Psalm 110 ❤️ Let's hone in on it as it's the clearest one for me.
We see YHWH speak to "David's Lord", who Jesus later shows to be Himself, the Messiah, as you pointed out. We also know Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father just like David saw. I don't see how Jesus can be YHWH from this. What I see is YHWH talking to Jesus, "David's Lord"
Late to this whole chain, but that's how I've always interpreted it. Jesus is both. He is the human incarnate of God himself. The man is not God but the spirit is.
This is why the self sacrifice is so significant. It's literally God showing the world he sacrificed himself for his children. Which is prophesied in Genesis as Latetotheshow highlighted. The initial moment of creation also foretell that this event would occur at some point on the timeline. This is how the fallen knew that Christ would be born at some point before as well.
I suppose the forms of matter example would apply here. God is all three forms: Gaseous, liquid, and solid. E.g. Water. It never ceases being H2O even considering evaporation, it's form of matter just fluctuates and adapts. Becoming something else while remaining the same on an elemental level.
I ran that last part through an AI, I knew that sounded familiar:
I don't strongly oppose it, I've organically considered similar things myself. However with further understanding I do think I lean towards the distinct persons. I think the Father and Jesus are different beings who share the same nature
Wow interesting. Yes, that sums it up. I've never heard it discussed or preached in person, it's just the interpretation my brain came up with after my own experiences and reading of various gospels and works.
This last bit, I can understand the difference of course. Yet, why can it not be both at the same time? E.g. Yes all individual but could it also not be three different manifestations of the same entity due to constructs of our own perception such as time?
Seems like I recall this being described in various apocryphal texts or actually contextualize by various older Christian sects such as Ethiopian or other similar gnostic sects. Sorry, I'm half awake at the moment. But thank you for the reply!
In truth I don't think it matters what designs our minds can come up with to explain God. It's the acceptance of Christ and what's in our hearts & souls and how we use that force for cause/effect while alive on this Earth.
Absolutely. I think it's a heresy to say that not believing in the Trinity is a heresy. Yet the majority of christians believe that. People were even burned alive over it.
It is at this point where my mind begins to melt, so I shall refrain from attempting to go any further 😂 I've tried to break this barrier before, I ended up stressed out and perplexed