Alright, but the intent is there and documented, and I've watched first hand them filling the skies above my head with something that doesn't dissolve; it lingers for the whole day and no doubt lands on the ground. What do you think it is?
The point about “who are the actual, explicit companies doing this” is a good point. They’re going to have a technical term they call it by, that won’t be “chemtrails”. “Stratospheric Aerosol Injection”, maybe?
I did some quick searches. Found a few research program names, but no incorporated company publicly saying “it’s totally us doing this.”
Back when it first dropped that chemtrails were back on the menu here several months back (direct comment from cats, iirc), I think someone did find a few names. We should definitely have a list of explicit operators if so.
Yeah. That’s the sort of thing underlying my perception as well.
What I don’t have are specific operator names or methods. We should move past the high level abstract “conspiracy theory” reasonings for our claims and start getting some actuals.
It’d be good for a “ha! I’m right” claim of course, but much more importantly than ego boosts it would open up opportunity for class action lawsuits.
Intent is not a deed. And you have no basis for thinking that a major geo-engineering project is under way. People have been talking about and studying and designing solar power satellites for the past 50 years. Nothing has happened. It far easier to build nuclear power stations on the ground. A profusion of intent means absolutely nothing in the world of deeds. So, you can't make the illogical jump from intent to deed, when deeds require more than intent.
What you see are persistent contrails from commercial aircraft, consisting of ice crystals from frozen water vapor. In other words, high-altitude clouds. And they persist as long as high-altitude clouds. Eventually, they evaporate into the air, like high-altitude clouds. Completely unconnected from any geoengineering plot.
I live in the approach-departure corridor to a major international airport. I have seen these all the time for the past 40 years. They are a form of cloud. And if you are suspicious of clouds, I can guarantee you would not enjoy the Pacific Northwest.
I live in the approach-departure corridor to a major international airport. I have seen these all the time for the past 40 years. They are a form of cloud.
40 years ago, I’d watch the planes fly over, and see the contrails. They were short, and they disappeared quickly.
10ish years ago I started seeing long, persistent “contrails” that would spread out and change into large cloud formations over time, in a much dryer region than the Pacific Northwest.
Something changed.
At the same time, the “rich psychopath” class, such as Billy and whatnot, were talking about deliberate geoengineering at conceptual levels to combat muh climate change. They never said specific companies they were funding that I heard, but observed visuals changed.
Do I know these things are correlated, or what they mean? No, but you’ve brought up a valid point at the very least.
“Name names.” is not an unfair demand. Observation alone is insufficient to draw conclusions from.
Forty years ago, the airplanes were using early-generation turbofans and were flying at LOWER ALTITUDES, where the relative humidity was lower. You need to catch up with the times.
High altitudes are dryer than lower altitudes. But the relative humidity is higher and the temperature is COLDER, thus making it difficult for the ice crystals to sublimate. Relative humidity is NOT absolute humidity.
So, yeah. Something changed. Airliners are flying at higher altitudes. And that's all that it is. Nothing to do with Bill Gates or anyone.
Alright, but the intent is there and documented, and I've watched first hand them filling the skies above my head with something that doesn't dissolve; it lingers for the whole day and no doubt lands on the ground. What do you think it is?
The point about “who are the actual, explicit companies doing this” is a good point. They’re going to have a technical term they call it by, that won’t be “chemtrails”. “Stratospheric Aerosol Injection”, maybe?
I did some quick searches. Found a few research program names, but no incorporated company publicly saying “it’s totally us doing this.”
Back when it first dropped that chemtrails were back on the menu here several months back (direct comment from cats, iirc), I think someone did find a few names. We should definitely have a list of explicit operators if so.
there's also this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9kdDkYfaNMQ
Yeah. That’s the sort of thing underlying my perception as well.
What I don’t have are specific operator names or methods. We should move past the high level abstract “conspiracy theory” reasonings for our claims and start getting some actuals.
It’d be good for a “ha! I’m right” claim of course, but much more importantly than ego boosts it would open up opportunity for class action lawsuits.
Can’t claim grievances without proof now, can we?
Seems like you’re arguing with Douglas Murray. Let it go man, his mind’s already made up.
“People are spraying something in the air and it’s probably not for nefarious purposes, and even if it is it probably won’t work.”
Trust the science, bro. Trust the experts 😉👍
Intent is not a deed. And you have no basis for thinking that a major geo-engineering project is under way. People have been talking about and studying and designing solar power satellites for the past 50 years. Nothing has happened. It far easier to build nuclear power stations on the ground. A profusion of intent means absolutely nothing in the world of deeds. So, you can't make the illogical jump from intent to deed, when deeds require more than intent.
What you see are persistent contrails from commercial aircraft, consisting of ice crystals from frozen water vapor. In other words, high-altitude clouds. And they persist as long as high-altitude clouds. Eventually, they evaporate into the air, like high-altitude clouds. Completely unconnected from any geoengineering plot.
I live in the approach-departure corridor to a major international airport. I have seen these all the time for the past 40 years. They are a form of cloud. And if you are suspicious of clouds, I can guarantee you would not enjoy the Pacific Northwest.
40 years ago, I’d watch the planes fly over, and see the contrails. They were short, and they disappeared quickly.
10ish years ago I started seeing long, persistent “contrails” that would spread out and change into large cloud formations over time, in a much dryer region than the Pacific Northwest.
Something changed.
At the same time, the “rich psychopath” class, such as Billy and whatnot, were talking about deliberate geoengineering at conceptual levels to combat muh climate change. They never said specific companies they were funding that I heard, but observed visuals changed.
Do I know these things are correlated, or what they mean? No, but you’ve brought up a valid point at the very least.
“Name names.” is not an unfair demand. Observation alone is insufficient to draw conclusions from.
Forty years ago, the airplanes were using early-generation turbofans and were flying at LOWER ALTITUDES, where the relative humidity was lower. You need to catch up with the times.
High altitudes are dryer than lower altitudes. But the relative humidity is higher and the temperature is COLDER, thus making it difficult for the ice crystals to sublimate. Relative humidity is NOT absolute humidity.
So, yeah. Something changed. Airliners are flying at higher altitudes. And that's all that it is. Nothing to do with Bill Gates or anyone.
Not all of us are engineers familiar with the finer points of turbofan physics, and go by what we observe and know. 🙃
Thanks for the info! I’m not going to say that rules it out, but it’s worth looking into.