Dear Frens, I have learned so much about my own health and using alternative remedies and sources, and I am very grateful to you for that.
I turn to you for help and guidance for a friend with Hashimoto hypothyroidism. She was not helped with synthetic drugs, but initially found improvement with Armour Thyroid (desiccated pig thyroid). She's been on the lowest dose for 3 years and her symptoms are worsening, yet no doctor will prescribe a higher dose to see if it will help. Are there alternative sources to which she can turn to find assistance? She lives in the Columbus Ohio area. TY
Fellow hypothyroid patient here- endocrinologist are a waste of time and carbon- THEY DO NOT treat the symptoms, they go by blooodwork- TSH is completely IRRELEVANT in diagnosing thyroid issues- it's only useful for pituitary issues. Find a naturopath or an ARNP-there are so many other factors affecting thyroid...
START HERE: https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/
Agree on the naturopath referral. Find one in your area or online.
Thank you for caring to reply and for providing the link.
I would try MMS if I were in your friend's position. There is never a guarantee cure for anything, but MMS is the closest thing to a miracle medicine I have ever found. I was diagnosed as Type 1.5 diabetic in 2022, and have found various things that have gotten rid of it. MMS is the only thing that has seemed to really last. MMS claims to work by the principle of cleaning up toxins and pathogens in the body, which then allows the body to heal itself. From my experience, all diseases not related to a physical injury are caused by poisons or pathogens. Autoimmune diseases are simply diseases the allopathic medical industry either do not know the true cause (so they claim it is your body's own immune system, which is nonsense) or they haven't found a profitable treatment method. The body is made to heal! You can find Jim Humble's resources here at this link: Main Site
Here is a page with testimonials specific to Hashimoto's Disease: Testimonials
You can find ready made solutions of MMS1 at places like Amazon for a very reasonable price: Amazon Link
You can find a copy of book "The MMS Health Recovery Guidebook" in PDF form via a Google search for download. Jim's org also offers it for sale on his website.
Thank you very much for your suggestions and guidance.
Book titled “Stop the Thyroid Madness” is very informative. Find a naturopath doctor (local or online) who can prescribe thyroid medication, there are ways to improve this. If she has the Armour thyroid, and is on the lowest dose, try doubling up on the pills for a week and see if it helps. She could improve in a few days. If it does, get blood tested (Ulta Labs you can order your own) to see what the levels are. If double dose doesn’t help, it may be other factors. Get some nutritional help, I suggest trying an all natural diet, no packaged foods just organic or grass fed meat, fresh veggies, fresh fruit and homemade non gmo organic sourdough bread.
I know the low thyroid feeling, so depressing. Right medication and nutrition makes a huge difference. There is help for her, but many doctors are clueless. I think that book may have referrals to doctors who are better for this problem. Look for other books too, as that one is older.
Good suggestions. Thank you for sharing.
Fun fact, if you want to know if you have a MTHFR genetic mutation, but don’t want to go through the testing, take methylated folate and B vitamins for a few months and see if your life changes. If it does, then you have the genetic mutation.
Thank you very much for this information.
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Hey there! I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis and here's what I've done to almost completely reverse my symptoms and get my disease into remission:
I read a lot of books on Hashimoto's but the most helpful ones for me were Hashimoto's Protocol by Dr. Izabella Wentz and Hashimoto's Thyroiditis The Root Cause by Dr. Izabella Wentz. Seriously, I just did some basic reading on finding out what this thing was and I was already more informed than the endocrinologist I saw at the hospital who only gave me the option of taking synthetic thyroid hormones forever and not doing anything else. Read, learn, and educate yourself on this disease and you're already way ahead of the game!
I followed the basic protocols of those books, which simply put are: stop eating foods that cause an autoimmune reaction in your body, rest and recover as much as possible, and take the right supplements/vitamins/medicines necessary to feel your best! The most reactive foods for those of us with this disease are gluten, grains, dairy, soy, caffeine, alcohol, and white sugar. In my opinion gluten, dairy, and soy are the worst offenders. The most important supplements to take are selenium, magnesium, vitamin C, vitamin D, all B vitamins (especially B1 and B12), iron, NAC, Thytrophin PMG (which acts as a decoy for your body to attack instead of attacking your thyroid), and beef thyroid (Ancestral Supplements has the best beef thyroid capsules, is as good as pig thyroid, and easier to get!).
If you're still having bad symptoms after cleaning up your eating habits/taking the right supplements, there are more advanced protocols you can do to figure out what's continuing to cause symptoms.
Make sure you get tested every 6-8 weeks to see where your TSH and thyroid antibody levels are at until they even out. The optimum levels for anybody with Hashimoto's for TSH is between 0.5 u/L to 2.0 u/L, and for thyroid antibodies anything below 30 is remission, but below 9 is optimal. I've finally gotten mine to 24, which is so good I can't even believe I got it this low from where it started at 147. The books I mentioned above go into more detail. Don't let doctors bully you into thinking your levels are "normal" when you still feel awful. There's nothing "normal" about feeling exhausted all the time with no explanation!
I do still have symptoms now and then (especially if I cheat and eat something I shouldn't) but I'm feeling almost completely back to normal 90% of the time, which is such an improvement and miracle over where I was one year ago. Last year I was so exhausted all the time that I would sleep for 12 hours straight and STILL wake up feeling like I was jet-lagged! I couldn't make it through a whole day without napping at least twice, and many times I nearly fell asleep at the wheel! Now I have enough energy to run and hike, go to events, work all day, etc! I never thought I would get better, but I did!
I sincerely hope your friend gets better too and finds the best healing for her. I seriously cannot recommend Dr. Izabella Wentz's books and protocol enough. It's not perfect, but it started me down the path of taking control of my health and getting the answers I needed. No doctors took me seriously and only wanted to throw pills at me and call it good. I knew there was something better out there and I found it! You can send this link to your friend and she can start learning: https://thyroidpharmacist.com/books/ There's no need to buy her products, only her books. All the supplements and medicine she recommends can be bought online or in stores for way cheaper.
Good luck to your friend, and God bless!
Thank you so much for all of this information. Nothing like experience for learning and teaching!
Thank you for info, btw no iodine supplements?
No, too much iodine intake is actually hugely detrimental to Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Get your iodine levels checked though, to make sure they're not too low. If they're normal, leave them where they're at, don't take any extra iodine, or even iodized salt or iodine rich foods. I found this out the hard way, taking in more iodine when I found out I had Hashimoto's, but I ended up feeling way worse after a few weeks. Once I stopped the extra iodine intake I felt much better. Iodine is essential for the thyroid, yes, but everyone seems to think that's all the thyroid needs. It needs so much more to function properly, like selenium, magnesium, iron, potassium, vitamins A, B, C, and D.
The body will get enough iodine from various foods, there's no reason to take extra supplements. This is my experience, although it seems almost universal for Hashimoto's patients.
Thank you for your response. I already took selenium but it was low dosage, only 100mcg.. I read it should be 200-400. What dosages do you take for all those vitamins, minerals, is it weight dependent?
Selenium should definitely be 200mcg. I tried 400mcg for a time but found it to be too much, so 200mcg is the sweet spot.
The dosages for the other vitamins is somewhat weight dependent. For example my vitamin D was really low so I have to take 5,000 IU once a day just to keep it stable. Before starting any of these I would recommend getting your levels tested to see what you're most deficient in, however it is okay to start taking basic vitamins on your own. Vitamin C for example can be low doses like 50mg up to 1,000mg. I personally take 500mg per day. Iron is 50mg per day, but that's also because my iron levels are still below optimum level. Potassium doesn't need to be much, just something like 99mg per day. All the B vitamins depends on your levels, but B1 is super necessary for energy production and you need to take way more than what is typically recommended. I take 1500mg per day, and even then I still don't think it's enough but I don't want to overdo it. Vitamin A will also depend on your levels, but something like 5,000 to 10,000 IU would be all right.
You response was spot on until you started talking about testing your TSH every 6 to 8 weeks and providing ridiculous figures as the range to shoot for.
Wrong. Although the TSH doesn't show everything about the thyroid, it is a good baseline to know if the thyroid is getting more hypo or hyper. If I hadn't checked it every couple of months I wouldn't know that I was indeed getting worse for a long time, or that the efforts I was putting in were actually making a difference in how efficient my thyroid was acting. Of course feeling that my symptoms were easing up was the best indicator by far, but knowing that I had actual real data to show my doctor that hey, what I was doing to heal myself was actually working, was the best thing of all. And also proof that if ever anyone questions if I'm telling the truth, I have loads of evidence backing up my claims.
It's not ridiculous to try to shoot for those figures either, since I'm now closer to that range than I've ever been in my entire life, even when I was a teenager! This proves that the methods and protocols I followed did help and are not something to be brushed aside.
Sorry but your response is totally unhelpful and also really ridiculous. There's a reason these tests exist and it's to show when things aren't right in the body.
Sweetheart, stop pushing big pharma's and the Rockefeller medicine's narrative.
The TSH is NOT a measure of thyroid function. The number don't have a damn thing to do with how the thyroid works. It measures the action of the pituitary gland. Your false narrative is what is keeping people undertreated for some phony made up numbers that do not purport what they claim to. It keeps the money rolling into medical profession because they convinced you that you need to do dozens of things and take multiple tests to prove to YOU that you are OK, when you are not! If you were, you would NOT need to keep testing yourself every 6 to 8 weeks!!!! Who in their right mind does something so stupid? Yet, here you are, still following and pushing their bullshit.
How the hell do you think doctor's diagnosed an underactive thyroid before these stupid tests? By Symptoms! They did not need a "test" to show that thigs were not right.
No need to be so butthurt over someone else’s experience. Why not combine testing with symptoms to establish a TSH/ Free T3 baseline when all symptoms go away …
What is your issue? TSH is the measure of thyroid function, at least from a grand overview. You're so off base about this I don't even know what to say.
My "false narrative"?? What, you mean, my LIFE EXPERIENCE?? My TSH was high for years, and now that I've found a way to heal myself it's lower than it's ever been before. Please explain what is "false" about that?
Before these tests doctors didn't know what an under-active thyroid WAS. Only that people may have felt tired but probably chocked it up to "hysteria" or "female malaise" or something. We still don't know the full extent to what the thyroid does and controls in the body.
My gosh you really got a bee in your bonnet about this. Sorry that my life experience offends you so much. You're more than welcome to ignore me and move on with your life. Take care "sweetheart."
I suggest reading the "heal yourself" blog by Darko Velcek. He has simple explanations and simple solutions based on using the body's own ability to heal itself. (For what it's worth, he also recommends MMS). Recommend reading his brief intro page first: https://darkovelcek.wordpress.com/introduction/
Here are two of his articles that mention Hashimoto's: https://darkovelcek.wordpress.com/?s=Hashimoto%27s
I don't have specific experience with thyroid issues, but I'm sure that this protocol will help your friend overcome her issues.
Thank you for the advice and links.
You might want to find a healing practitioner that uses glandular nutrition to aid their healing regimen.
It's usually going to be a chiropractor.
https://crawellness.com/pages/cra-practitioner-directory
Looks like there are several in the greater Ohio region.
You specifically want to find someone who does either CRA (Contact Reflex Analysis) or applied kinesiology, so that they can ask your body's innate wisdom specifically, if you need supplemental thyroid hormones. Could be T3, could be T4 - could ALSO be something else entirely that is preventing the thyroid from either functioning correctly, or something is impeding it's function, that needs to be addressed FIRST, before the body can deal with the thyroid. Your body knows best.
As someone who has been taking glandular (bovine) thyroid for 30 years, there's no replacement for having the proper hormones. The thyroid is the "master gland" in the body - think of it as your timing gear... getting up, sleeping, mood/depression and it aids the heart and is responsible for pushing fluids in the body. (Adrenals also aid the heart and pull fluids in the body - old lady fluid filled ankles = tired adrenals)
The "silver bullet" here is no wasting time fooling around WONDERING if it's going to actually work. Nobody will tell you medical doctor success rates are only around 15%. Being able to query your specific body and get reliable, true answers is absolutely paramount from a diagnostics perspective. I've verified this over the years with blood tests etc for various conditions just to make sure I was on track. I was. Unbelievably...No medical tests so far have been more accurate or conclusive than asking the body directly.
So.... that's my advice from experience. Try to find a doctor of the healing arts that actually walks the walk and practices what he preaches - you can't even do CRA or applied kinesiology correctly if you're an unelectric polluted practitioner... This work is self-authenticating.
I would certainly NOT just start taking anything because you "read it on the internet"...but I'm hoping you know that already.
AND...you'll like this part - people who do this work are against the medical industrial complex and their string along symptom management grift. They genuinely want you to heal...
Good luck!!!
Just ordered Dr. Ardis Thyroid Complete. My husband has been taking Naltrexone and a generic form of Armour. Hoping to wean him off these medications and replace with Thyroid Complete.
I follow Dr. Courtney Hunt on instagram and YT and she is similar to Dr. Jack Kruse where our health is driven by light in large part. She reversed her own Hashimotos. She has a lot of free content, free book on her site, and she has paid classes/consults and a supplement line. High level, we need to live on fat not carbs for energy and we need sunrise, midday, and sunset light for our body to work/heal.
Book is on the Learn tab of her site: https://www.courtneyhuntmd.com/
Thank you. I've heard Dr Hunt before and she is quite knowledgeable.
Lots of physical (worthy) advice in this post, truly,"Every good gift and every perfect gift comes down from the Father of lights of whom there is no shadow of turning" definitely it is true God has provided many natural, cures, but we are not limited to only natural cures, there is also the greater, spiritual cure, (healing by faith)(remembering everything starts in the spirit first) Just as God has provided for the forgiveness of sins, through the death of Christ, God has provided for the healing of our body"Proverbs 4:22 says " GOD'S WORD IS LIFE TO ALL THAT FIND IT AND HEALTH (medicine) TO ALL THEIR FLESH" In John 5:16 is written "is there any sick among you let them call upon the elders of the church and let them pray over you anointing you with oil, and the prayer of faith (SHALL) heal the sick and if they sinned, any sin it shall be forgiven them" Also: In Mark 11:23 - 24 Jesus teaches that we have a right to believe for our healing, and if we do we will receive it, (with one stipulation) Mark 11:25 When you stand praying, forgive if you have something against anyone" that would be the very first thing I would suggest to do, is lift her heart up to God and say I forgive every one who has ever done me wrong, Father in Jesus name please forgive them" NOTE: in (Job 42:10) the scriptures say, God restored (healed) Job, as soon as he prayed for those that had come against him, but not a second sooner! Serious food for thought. 🙏
Nascent Iodine ! several aquaintences had success vs Hashimoto .
https://www.infowarsstore.com/survival-shield-x-2-nascent-iodine
T3 conversion to T 4 takes place in the gut. That should be her focus; gut repair. Iodine and iodine enriched foods (seafood). Fructose and sucrose but not starches. This is where I would start also red light therapy and “grounding” Plent of healthy meat and meat fat.
Look at the videos below. She’s Neisha Berry, wife of Dr Ken Berry (he has a separate channel). Dr Berry has videos on Carnivore & other topics on lies from the medical community. She posts a lot “what I eat” videos. I truly believe we can be healed through our diet. There’s probably other videos or accounts on this topic by other people. I don’t research thyroid, thankfully I don’t have this disease. Also look at https://ancestralsupplements.com/ they have several different bovine organ supplements. They respond in detail to email questions. Give details about the symptoms or diagnosis.
https://youtube.com/@neishasalasberry
https://youtu.be/VFwW-E8SCQs
https://youtu.be/lha75PEQ0mQ
I am hypothyroidic (my body doesn't make enough thyroid hormone) and was fortunate enough that the doctor that finally diagnosed me after years of suffering, started me on Nature-throid.
Unfortunately, he died while we were getting everything adjusted after years of the medical profession telling me my TSH levels were OK. My subsequent doctors refused to prescribe any doses over 180 grains despite the fact that I was doing well on 240 grains. I fought with them to keep my dose higher.
One said he would only if I went to see an Endocrinologist and then only if he would OK it. I went. I got the biggest bullshit story on why I should NOT be taking Nature-Throid: I should be taking Synthroid, despite all the problems the synthetic thyroid has had, to include lawsuits. Anyway, he starts rattling off a long list of "problems" I should have because I was taking a higher dose than he usually prescribed. I had none of them. Then he tried to scare me into taking the Synthroid by saying that by taking the natural thyroid I was shortening my life span by 5 years. He had nothing to say when I told him that I would trade feeling like crap for 5 extra years versus feeling alive and full of energy for 5 less. Besides he had nothing to back up his claim that natural thyroid shortened your life expectancy. I got my 240 grains.
Whenever I have to go to another doctor, I have to go through the same bullshit all over again. Tell your friend she just has to stand strong and demand the dose that makes her feel alive. In the mean time, she may have to drive aways to find a doctor that will listen to her and NOT be wrapped up in the TSH propaganda. I personally drive an hour and 15 minutes to see my doctor in PA.
Sounds like she needs a higher dose. First, I’d go to a functional doctor or a nurse practitioner. Btw, endocrinologists are the most useless doctors on the planet. If she can’t get a prescription for an adequate dose, she could look into ordering T3 meds from overseas.