I approve of that approach. We devote waaay to many resources to the bottom quartile of people, in so far as to take resources from high achievers. For what? So the EBT Americans can read and know that mitochondria is the powerhouse of a cell? All the while we hold back the generations of geniuses that would have otherwise taken us to Mars.
And before anyone jumps down my throat about the importance of reading. Do you truly believe the bottom 25% even thinks about the words they read?
Before WWII, almost half the kids were held back in first grade due to poor reading ability. This was the priority schools placed on reading proficiency back in the day. I used this data in my dissertation to support an argument against social promotion.
True. All my pre-WWII ancestors finished school in 8th grade and all had productive careers. Two owned their own businesses, one built tires in Akron and eventually became plant forman, another became a fire-fighter in Akron and retired a captain in this service. Only one graduated high school, but they quit college after one year to enlist in the military. They became a pilot, rose to the rank of major and worked in management for an airline beginning in 1949.
In Ireland we used to segregate classes based on intelligence. A1, A2, B1, B2 and C1 for knuckle draggers.
A classes where honours students, heavy concentration on maths and science, B was less intensive, C was aptly named for their destination, Civil service “career” path.
Since immigration became a thing, that’s no longer practiced, because it was racist. Which tells you all you need to know about the immigrants.
In some ways I'm OK with that. The more that happens the more obvious the charade becomes. College is a scam outside of a couple dozen majors. She will fail through college and help lessen the prestige of the institution.
Yes, because the top IQ is at 87, which is well within the normal range. You might be included, since you seem to think the "bottom 25%" is somewhere far lower in intellect. You have to get down to 70 to enter "moron" territory. That might be equivalent to where most children learn to read. But what the heck---the Blue world is all about low expectations.
The nature of high achievers is to surmount environmental difficulties. Sometimes, they have no particular desire to fulfill the life dreams of others.
I said what i said. You can make as many interpretations as you want, and i hope I offended you. I don't see the point in devoting what is seemingly unlimited resources to those that won't move society forward. Especially when they're cutting opportunities and positions for the high performers. An 87 IQ person is going to be a good roofer or cashier, but they won't become much more than that in terms of a career.
Public school is just a daycare at this point. I'm not concerned about dreams and ambitions, I want a society that recognizes and rewards talent and ability. Plenty of them will make poor life decisions and squander their talent, I don't want society at large to do that for them.
Yeah, I know the argument. Useless stomachs. Let them starve. We fought a world war against someone who had the same idea. Your objection of "devoting...unlimited resources to those who won't move society forward" is wildly exaggerated, when it seems to be clear that the person in the case is reasonably bright, and the school was just too lazy to teach her. (However, I do get a vibe that she is not much interested in doing the work of learning how to read.) The parents could have taught her; home schooling is famously effective. But in this case, the school system was not merely incompetent or negligent, it was fraudulent---in promising what it did not deliver, and delivering something under false pretenses. Evidence, perhaps, that the school administration was populated with the Under 25% cadre.
Plenty of people at that IQ level are sane and productive---as you admit---but not much below 70. What is your answer? Keep them perpetually in Special Ed daycare? That is how it was done. Drive them off a cliff? Meanwhile, what is wrong with someone who is a good roofer or cashier? Don't we need them, too? Or do we shoot them if they don't become real estate developers or bankers?
My father was a very bright man and a responsible family head. He worked as a railroad shipping clerk and later a refinery technician while raising a family and putting himself through night school to earn a degree in economics and certification as an accountant, studying surveying on the side. He became an accountant, which worked well for a while, until he hit a career reversal just as the Boeing Layoffs occurred, which killed the statewide labor market. The only job left was to be a sexton at a cemetery, which he did, not being too proud to let his family starve. I take your snobbery as a rather personal insult.
High performers are always needed, even if not always appreciated. Plenty of people started at a humble occupation and worked their way up. Part of being a high performer is NOT making poor life decisions. And part of society moving forward is for the decision makers not to make poor employment decisions.
Alright, we're done here. You're an inauthentic person using some AI to enhance your writing. The triple hyphens are a dead giveaway.
You're a hystrionic woman who wildly misinterpreted what I said. Almost to point of comical absurdity. You got deeply offended by my statements which I did appreciate. So, thank you for that.
Classic midwit, or the overused reddit term Dunning-Kruger effect.
I approve of that approach. We devote waaay to many resources to the bottom quartile of people, in so far as to take resources from high achievers. For what? So the EBT Americans can read and know that mitochondria is the powerhouse of a cell? All the while we hold back the generations of geniuses that would have otherwise taken us to Mars.
And before anyone jumps down my throat about the importance of reading. Do you truly believe the bottom 25% even thinks about the words they read?
Before WWII, almost half the kids were held back in first grade due to poor reading ability. This was the priority schools placed on reading proficiency back in the day. I used this data in my dissertation to support an argument against social promotion.
And 8th grade was enough of an education for them to be contributing members of society.
True. All my pre-WWII ancestors finished school in 8th grade and all had productive careers. Two owned their own businesses, one built tires in Akron and eventually became plant forman, another became a fire-fighter in Akron and retired a captain in this service. Only one graduated high school, but they quit college after one year to enlist in the military. They became a pilot, rose to the rank of major and worked in management for an airline beginning in 1949.
Also, upvote to cancel an unnecessary downvote.
In Ireland we used to segregate classes based on intelligence. A1, A2, B1, B2 and C1 for knuckle draggers.
A classes where honours students, heavy concentration on maths and science, B was less intensive, C was aptly named for their destination, Civil service “career” path.
Since immigration became a thing, that’s no longer practiced, because it was racist. Which tells you all you need to know about the immigrants.
Except the part where she gets into college.
In some ways I'm OK with that. The more that happens the more obvious the charade becomes. College is a scam outside of a couple dozen majors. She will fail through college and help lessen the prestige of the institution.
Yes, because the top IQ is at 87, which is well within the normal range. You might be included, since you seem to think the "bottom 25%" is somewhere far lower in intellect. You have to get down to 70 to enter "moron" territory. That might be equivalent to where most children learn to read. But what the heck---the Blue world is all about low expectations.
The nature of high achievers is to surmount environmental difficulties. Sometimes, they have no particular desire to fulfill the life dreams of others.
I said what i said. You can make as many interpretations as you want, and i hope I offended you. I don't see the point in devoting what is seemingly unlimited resources to those that won't move society forward. Especially when they're cutting opportunities and positions for the high performers. An 87 IQ person is going to be a good roofer or cashier, but they won't become much more than that in terms of a career.
Public school is just a daycare at this point. I'm not concerned about dreams and ambitions, I want a society that recognizes and rewards talent and ability. Plenty of them will make poor life decisions and squander their talent, I don't want society at large to do that for them.
Yeah, I know the argument. Useless stomachs. Let them starve. We fought a world war against someone who had the same idea. Your objection of "devoting...unlimited resources to those who won't move society forward" is wildly exaggerated, when it seems to be clear that the person in the case is reasonably bright, and the school was just too lazy to teach her. (However, I do get a vibe that she is not much interested in doing the work of learning how to read.) The parents could have taught her; home schooling is famously effective. But in this case, the school system was not merely incompetent or negligent, it was fraudulent---in promising what it did not deliver, and delivering something under false pretenses. Evidence, perhaps, that the school administration was populated with the Under 25% cadre.
Plenty of people at that IQ level are sane and productive---as you admit---but not much below 70. What is your answer? Keep them perpetually in Special Ed daycare? That is how it was done. Drive them off a cliff? Meanwhile, what is wrong with someone who is a good roofer or cashier? Don't we need them, too? Or do we shoot them if they don't become real estate developers or bankers?
My father was a very bright man and a responsible family head. He worked as a railroad shipping clerk and later a refinery technician while raising a family and putting himself through night school to earn a degree in economics and certification as an accountant, studying surveying on the side. He became an accountant, which worked well for a while, until he hit a career reversal just as the Boeing Layoffs occurred, which killed the statewide labor market. The only job left was to be a sexton at a cemetery, which he did, not being too proud to let his family starve. I take your snobbery as a rather personal insult.
High performers are always needed, even if not always appreciated. Plenty of people started at a humble occupation and worked their way up. Part of being a high performer is NOT making poor life decisions. And part of society moving forward is for the decision makers not to make poor employment decisions.
Alright, we're done here. You're an inauthentic person using some AI to enhance your writing. The triple hyphens are a dead giveaway.
You're a hystrionic woman who wildly misinterpreted what I said. Almost to point of comical absurdity. You got deeply offended by my statements which I did appreciate. So, thank you for that.
Classic midwit, or the overused reddit term Dunning-Kruger effect.