Just two nights ago, when I was reading the gospel here, there was a post about Toyota having developed a water-based engine that would endanger the EV market.
A few hours later, it was scrubbed from the internet. Not even the Internet Archive site had a copy.
I thought all this tech was going to come out soon under Trump. This couldn't have been deemed too disruptive to society.
It’s not a water engine. Water comes out the tailpipe. It is a Hydrogen engine. The idea is to have compressed hydrogen tanks in the vehicle. The infrastructure idea that makes it possible is for gas stations to have hydrogen pumps. No storage of hydrogen (dangerous); the pump uses electricity to break the hydrogen away from the oxygen in the water supply.
Using the only emission is water to sell it to consumers/investors. But the smart thing to do is to take the technology and design they created and use natural gas instead. Safer and more cost efficient. Both Japan and the US have a significant natural gas infrastructure. It gets a bit spottier in rural Japan, but they have LP and propane tanks.
And we will be shipping a lot of natural gas out of Alaska.
It is a WATER ENGINE. There are NO hydrogen tanks. This vehicle seperates the H2O as it runs.
A hydrogen tank engine has been around for a long time. This is new.
It takes just as much energy to split water molecules as they release when recombined (or burned). So unless this engine uses some kind of exploit of physics to break the molecules with zero point energy or something it isn't going anywhere fast
Careful now Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons will take you somewhere else they don't want you to look.
They will. https://remoteview.substack.com/
Stan Meyers claimed he was using a resonant cavity/chamber to break the bonds at far lower energies. But you're right, it would violate the 2nd law.
"The tendency for entropy to increase in isolated systems is expressed in the second law of thermodynamics-- perhaps the most pessimistic and amoral formulation in all human thought." - PRINCIPIA DISCORDIA
Questions of energy balance involve the First Law, not the Second Law.
The Toyota people are presenting it as a hydrogen engine, pure and simple. Operation on water is chemically impossible. The electricity you would need to split it by electrolysis would be better used to power a motor.
I should have clicked on the links. This is a new, new approach. They say electrolysis to get the hydrogen, but that is a net negative energy. I am guessing they are using Nano silicon to get the hydrogen.
They rate of electrolysis is what must be new. And it is a Hydrogen engine.
the real issue is that it requires more energy to split the h2o molecule than the energy it produces
fact
Agree on Hydrogen storage being dangerous; remember the Hindenburg. Believe this technology actually fuels with water, separates the molecules and burns the hydrogen. The engine is an internal combustion engine. Watch the water indeed.
Who wants to bet the Hindenburg, danger of hydrogen aside, was a false flag?
That was my first thought when they brought it up on this thread!. I'm with you.
Well, there is that. . .
Separates the hydrogen from the oxygen by using more energy than the combustion can produce? That would be a perpetual power generation machine. Just condense the combustion products and pour them back into the water tank. It's magic!