I suggest the "occult" doesn't mean what you've been told it means.
While I've seen some reasonable evidence that supports the idea of demonic possession (AKA actual spiritual entities controlling a person's body), I'm not convinced that your assertion is correct as characterized, or rather, it commits an overgeneralization fallacy.
I agree that drugs can potentially weaken the barrier between the "physical" world and the spiritual one. I agree that some beliefs of the Mysteries can make a person susceptible to that influence as well.
I used to believe that drugs, especially drug abuse, made people lose the capacity to see reality (specifically schizophrenia). Now I'm not so certain. I've seen some good evidence that suggests that schizophrenia may be looking into a different world, or "dimension." I mean, they're still nutty as a fruit cake, but because of my investigations, I'm now thinking that a part of that might be because they can see real things that most people can't see. Their vision straddles the two worlds perpetually, and the brain just isn't capable of processing that properly.
Because of that some people may become "possessed," but I think the vast majority are not.
The "occult" just means "hidden," or in common context, "hidden knowledge." That's all it means. It has been called the "Occult" (proper noun) which is a bit of a misnomer (like "Federal Reserve") and is conflated with "Satanism" because part of the Hidden Mysteries is included in those teachings. But like so many things, if you get only part of the truth of the teachings, it gets distorted, and someone learning these things from various "occults," like Wicca, or Satanism, or quite a few others, gets push down the path of the Cabal. Those systems were created specifically by the Cabal to ensure that those who are interested in the Mysteries go down the wrong path. Others that predate the Cabal, like Kabbalah, Mysticism, Hermeticism and others were, I believe, infiltrated a long time ago for the same purpose.
I suggest that many of the teachings of all of those "evil" things are true, they are just part of the truth, which creates a completely false reality, missing essential components.
c·cult ə-ˈkəlt ä-; ˈä-ˌkəlt
: matters regarded as involving the action or influence of supernatural or supernormal powers or some secret knowledge of them. I use the definition when use the word occult.
All false religions &the use of evil supernatural power had their origin at Babylon 'the mother of Harlots: Rev.17: 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of [b]her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written:
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS
OF THE EARTH.
6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Exodus 7 gives an example of this power: 11 But Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers; so the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. 12 For every man threw down his rod, and they became serpents. But Aaron’s rod swallowed up their rods. 13 And Pharaoh’s heart grew hard, and he did not heed them, as the Lord had said.
1530s, "secret, not divulged," from French occulte and directly from Latin occultus "hidden, concealed, secret," past participle of occulere "cover over, conceal," from assimilated form of ob "over" (see ob-) + a verb related to celare "to hide" (from PIE root *kel- (1) "to cover, conceal, save"). Meaning "not apprehended by the mind, beyond the range of understanding" is from 1540s. The association with the supernatural sciences (magic, alchemy, astrology, etc.) dates from 1630s.
The definition here comes all the way from ancient Greece, and likely from before.
The association with the definition you are using comes from the Cabal in 1630, a change of definition designed to, well, occult (hide, or make secret), the actual meaning. Indeed, there is no such thing as a phenomenon that is "supernatural" by definition. "Super"-natural means "outside of what is Natural" AKA "outside of the set of all possible phenomena". If a phenomenon can exist, it is by definition, "Natural."
So if a spiritual realm (or "other dimension of existence" or whatever) exists, it is, by definition, Natural; a part of What Is. The creation of the word "supernatural" was created, by the Cabal, specifically to make people believe that these other phenomena "aren't real," i.e. some of the phenomena you naturally and intuitively think exist, don't. "Even if you have evidence for it, it isn't something we should consider because it's supernatural (it's not a possible phenomenon)." These redefinitions of important words confuse us. They are part of the "partial truths" I was talking about.
These redefinition of words are, quite literally, spells. Magical spells. They create false realities for the whole world.
All false religions &the use of evil supernatural power had their origin at Babylon
What is a "false religion?" Is it any one than the one you believe in? What about the people who have different religions? Are they just wrong? It is easy to find evidence that all of the other religions have been infiltrated by the Cabal. How is it that yours survived?
What if, and just work with me here, what if EVERYTHING has been convoluted by the Cabal. I mean, it has been in every other way. Is it possible that your religion has been as well? Maybe at least a little bit? Maybe even in the most important ways? Have you really looked at the evidence? Are you afraid to do so?
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy" -- The Bard.
What is a "false religion?" Is it any one than the one you believe in? What about the people who have different religions?
John 10:7 Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Acts 4:12
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Yet if a phenomenon can exist, it is by definition, "Natural."
That's the view of the Materialist e.i. There is nothing beyond the physical reality which is a denial of God's existence who is outside time, space & matter. (The physical universe)
John 4:24
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Your human spirit is also immaterial, we were created in God's image & according to His likeness. Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Truth is absolute, therefore if A is true Non A is false
All of those quotes from Jesus are, I suggest, misunderstood in full context. For example, who is "the Father?" Is it YHWH? Is it the Source of All Things? Are you sure those are the same thing? Have you looked at the evidence?
That's the view of the Materialist e.i. There is nothing beyond the physical reality which is a denial of God's existence who is outside time, space & matter. (The physical universe)
Everything in your response seems to so completely miss everything I was saying that I don't even know how to address your response. I suggest you re-read it.
Hint: ALL phenomena are Natural, including those things that we call "spiritual." Material, Spiritual, ALL are real phenomena. Not because "it's what I want." It's because THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD.
It seems to me that you are not understanding what I am trying to do. I am trying to show you how your definition (which you reiterated) could create such a misunderstanding, and who made the belief system, by redefining the words, that caused it.
I suggest the "occult" doesn't mean what you've been told it means.
While I've seen some reasonable evidence that supports the idea of demonic possession (AKA actual spiritual entities controlling a person's body), I'm not convinced that your assertion is correct as characterized, or rather, it commits an overgeneralization fallacy.
I agree that drugs can potentially weaken the barrier between the "physical" world and the spiritual one. I agree that some beliefs of the Mysteries can make a person susceptible to that influence as well.
I used to believe that drugs, especially drug abuse, made people lose the capacity to see reality (specifically schizophrenia). Now I'm not so certain. I've seen some good evidence that suggests that schizophrenia may be looking into a different world, or "dimension." I mean, they're still nutty as a fruit cake, but because of my investigations, I'm now thinking that a part of that might be because they can see real things that most people can't see. Their vision straddles the two worlds perpetually, and the brain just isn't capable of processing that properly.
Because of that some people may become "possessed," but I think the vast majority are not.
The "occult" just means "hidden," or in common context, "hidden knowledge." That's all it means. It has been called the "Occult" (proper noun) which is a bit of a misnomer (like "Federal Reserve") and is conflated with "Satanism" because part of the Hidden Mysteries is included in those teachings. But like so many things, if you get only part of the truth of the teachings, it gets distorted, and someone learning these things from various "occults," like Wicca, or Satanism, or quite a few others, gets push down the path of the Cabal. Those systems were created specifically by the Cabal to ensure that those who are interested in the Mysteries go down the wrong path. Others that predate the Cabal, like Kabbalah, Mysticism, Hermeticism and others were, I believe, infiltrated a long time ago for the same purpose.
I suggest that many of the teachings of all of those "evil" things are true, they are just part of the truth, which creates a completely false reality, missing essential components.
c·cult ə-ˈkəlt ä-; ˈä-ˌkəlt : matters regarded as involving the action or influence of supernatural or supernormal powers or some secret knowledge of them. I use the definition when use the word occult.
All false religions &the use of evil supernatural power had their origin at Babylon 'the mother of Harlots: Rev.17: 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of [b]her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written:
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Exodus 7 gives an example of this power: 11 But Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers; so the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. 12 For every man threw down his rod, and they became serpents. But Aaron’s rod swallowed up their rods. 13 And Pharaoh’s heart grew hard, and he did not heed them, as the Lord had said.
From the etymological dictionary:
The definition here comes all the way from ancient Greece, and likely from before.
The association with the definition you are using comes from the Cabal in 1630, a change of definition designed to, well, occult (hide, or make secret), the actual meaning. Indeed, there is no such thing as a phenomenon that is "supernatural" by definition. "Super"-natural means "outside of what is Natural" AKA "outside of the set of all possible phenomena". If a phenomenon can exist, it is by definition, "Natural."
So if a spiritual realm (or "other dimension of existence" or whatever) exists, it is, by definition, Natural; a part of What Is. The creation of the word "supernatural" was created, by the Cabal, specifically to make people believe that these other phenomena "aren't real," i.e. some of the phenomena you naturally and intuitively think exist, don't. "Even if you have evidence for it, it isn't something we should consider because it's supernatural (it's not a possible phenomenon)." These redefinitions of important words confuse us. They are part of the "partial truths" I was talking about.
These redefinition of words are, quite literally, spells. Magical spells. They create false realities for the whole world.
What is a "false religion?" Is it any one than the one you believe in? What about the people who have different religions? Are they just wrong? It is easy to find evidence that all of the other religions have been infiltrated by the Cabal. How is it that yours survived?
What if, and just work with me here, what if EVERYTHING has been convoluted by the Cabal. I mean, it has been in every other way. Is it possible that your religion has been as well? Maybe at least a little bit? Maybe even in the most important ways? Have you really looked at the evidence? Are you afraid to do so?
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What is a "false religion?" Is it any one than the one you believe in? What about the people who have different religions?
John 10:7 Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Yet if a phenomenon can exist, it is by definition, "Natural."
That's the view of the Materialist e.i. There is nothing beyond the physical reality which is a denial of God's existence who is outside time, space & matter. (The physical universe)
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Your human spirit is also immaterial, we were created in God's image & according to His likeness. Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Truth is absolute, therefore if A is true Non A is false
All of those quotes from Jesus are, I suggest, misunderstood in full context. For example, who is "the Father?" Is it YHWH? Is it the Source of All Things? Are you sure those are the same thing? Have you looked at the evidence?
Everything in your response seems to so completely miss everything I was saying that I don't even know how to address your response. I suggest you re-read it.
Hint: ALL phenomena are Natural, including those things that we call "spiritual." Material, Spiritual, ALL are real phenomena. Not because "it's what I want." It's because THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD.
It seems to me that you are not understanding what I am trying to do. I am trying to show you how your definition (which you reiterated) could create such a misunderstanding, and who made the belief system, by redefining the words, that caused it.