in my faith, you bypass the human and can go directly to God through his Son without any rite of human rituals. that is crazy that you cannot go directly to God or even talk to Jesus without a permission slip from man.
Yes.
As a retired Catholic, my beliefs in this regard are similar.
All done with religion, dogma and rituals. No graven images, trinkets or "relics"...
Some of us no longer have the luxury of all the ritualistic nonsense that never gets to the point...
If Christ said, "The kingdom of God is within you."; and "meet me in the upper rooms of the temple built without human hands" [sic] - Then all that religion nonsense is a waste of time as it won't bring you to TRUE COMMUNION with the Christ.
Some believe they need it. I believe they're just wasting time. But they're free to do what they want...as am I.
YMMV.
Some attend just for the social aspect. Some out of guilt because they're convinced they should... These are not good reasons. Communion with God is a very private and personal thing.
While you enjoy your beef and beer in the church basement. I'm going into to God's house for a while...in the temple built without human hands... just like the Christ instructed us to do.
1 Corinthians 11:29 - St. Paul says clearly, "For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself." Read the Fathers of the Church from the first centuries. All kinds of ritual going on from day one.
Exactly. He had a personal invitation from Christ Himself, so no trappings, no baptism.
HOWEVER, plenty before and after this does talk about baptism and how the Holy Spirit will influence your life. Jesus even insisted on being baptized. Does that change who he was? No, but it is an example that you ignore at your own peril.
Personnally I believe the example given at the crucifixion should not be viewed as the rule, but actually the exception. Jesus Himself talked to the thief, and extended that personal invitation.
Ultimately God sets the rules, we follow the examples.
The thief didn’t have time for the sacraments and was saved by Jesus himself in his physical form. Something that the rest of us will never experience.
The good thief is a very special case, dying next to Our Lord Himself. For the vast majority (all the other believers), the early church had definite rituals.
There is so much wrong here, i dont have time to unpack.
The way to salvation is through Jesus, and faith in him.
That's it. Ultimately, luthor left the halls of Cathol to start the reformation because of the trappings and dogma of the Catholic Church.
Baptism is important but not required under special circumstance (better to do so, why gamble with salvation?) The Holy Spirit decends upon a heart open to Christ, and will direct you to where God wants you.
Don't get all wrapped up in what Hollywood or the secular world tells you what religion is. Don't follow religion, follow Christ.
John 20:19-23 Jesus literally commands His disciples (who are the new line of priests) through the gift of the Holy Spirit to forgive or retain sins themselves. Meaning people were to come confess their sins to them, the disciples/priests, and if they forgave the sins they were forgiven, etc. Subsequent priests have been initiated down the line since the time of the Apostles.
Jesus Appears to His Disciples
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I AM SENDING YOU.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. 23 IF YOU FORGIVE ANYONE'S SINS, THEY ARE FORGIVEN; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
It's not man/the priest forgiving the sins, they're doing it "in persona Christi" meaning "in the person of Christ" meaning it's a priestly function.
Christ died for our sins, yes, but He also died to tear the veil between Heaven and Earth so that humans could finally attain Heaven. Before Christ's death any holy or saintly people, like who you mentioned, who died where waiting in a place called "Abraham's Bosom" or "Sheol" which was kind of like limbo. This is in the Bible, you can check me on this. When Christ died and rose from the dead the veil was torn and souls were finally allowed to enter into Heaven. Christ dying for us had many reasons, this was one of them.
I'm sorry you don't like the Church fren, I understand the frustration, but I hope and pray you come to acknowledge your vitriol and learn more about the whole history of the faith. God bless 🙏
Yes.
As a retired Catholic, my beliefs in this regard are similar.
All done with religion, dogma and rituals. No graven images, trinkets or "relics"...
Some of us no longer have the luxury of all the ritualistic nonsense that never gets to the point...
If Christ said, "The kingdom of God is within you."; and "meet me in the upper rooms of the temple built without human hands" [sic] - Then all that religion nonsense is a waste of time as it won't bring you to TRUE COMMUNION with the Christ.
Some believe they need it. I believe they're just wasting time. But they're free to do what they want...as am I.
YMMV.
Some attend just for the social aspect. Some out of guilt because they're convinced they should... These are not good reasons. Communion with God is a very private and personal thing.
While you enjoy your beef and beer in the church basement. I'm going into to God's house for a while...in the temple built without human hands... just like the Christ instructed us to do.
Yeah...it gets real kOoKy any time religion is involved around here.
Achieve a "higher state of fk it" and not care what they think.
Moronic thoughts, ideas and manners are not exclusively reserved for democrats, commies and satanists. as redundant as that sounds...
u/#jesuslovespopcorn
1 Corinthians 11:29 - St. Paul says clearly, "For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself." Read the Fathers of the Church from the first centuries. All kinds of ritual going on from day one.
Exactly. He had a personal invitation from Christ Himself, so no trappings, no baptism.
HOWEVER, plenty before and after this does talk about baptism and how the Holy Spirit will influence your life. Jesus even insisted on being baptized. Does that change who he was? No, but it is an example that you ignore at your own peril.
Personnally I believe the example given at the crucifixion should not be viewed as the rule, but actually the exception. Jesus Himself talked to the thief, and extended that personal invitation.
Ultimately God sets the rules, we follow the examples.
The thief didn’t have time for the sacraments and was saved by Jesus himself in his physical form. Something that the rest of us will never experience.
The good thief is a very special case, dying next to Our Lord Himself. For the vast majority (all the other believers), the early church had definite rituals.
There is so much wrong here, i dont have time to unpack.
That's it. Ultimately, luthor left the halls of Cathol to start the reformation because of the trappings and dogma of the Catholic Church.
Baptism is important but not required under special circumstance (better to do so, why gamble with salvation?) The Holy Spirit decends upon a heart open to Christ, and will direct you to where God wants you.
Don't get all wrapped up in what Hollywood or the secular world tells you what religion is. Don't follow religion, follow Christ.
That is the start.
John 20:19-23 Jesus literally commands His disciples (who are the new line of priests) through the gift of the Holy Spirit to forgive or retain sins themselves. Meaning people were to come confess their sins to them, the disciples/priests, and if they forgave the sins they were forgiven, etc. Subsequent priests have been initiated down the line since the time of the Apostles.
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I AM SENDING YOU.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. 23 IF YOU FORGIVE ANYONE'S SINS, THEY ARE FORGIVEN; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
It's not man/the priest forgiving the sins, they're doing it "in persona Christi" meaning "in the person of Christ" meaning it's a priestly function.
Christ died for our sins, yes, but He also died to tear the veil between Heaven and Earth so that humans could finally attain Heaven. Before Christ's death any holy or saintly people, like who you mentioned, who died where waiting in a place called "Abraham's Bosom" or "Sheol" which was kind of like limbo. This is in the Bible, you can check me on this. When Christ died and rose from the dead the veil was torn and souls were finally allowed to enter into Heaven. Christ dying for us had many reasons, this was one of them.
I'm sorry you don't like the Church fren, I understand the frustration, but I hope and pray you come to acknowledge your vitriol and learn more about the whole history of the faith. God bless 🙏
Okay? I wasn't yelling at you. You seem to have some long seated hatred of Catholics and the Church. I'm praying for you fren. 🙏