Unpleasant? Yes. Unlawful? Cuz she’s conservative? If she was a different flavor, she would get a prize. If you have raised boys, you know talk doesn’t always work.
Have we not learned from Q that pain is the only way for some to learn.
Bring on the PAIN
What is going to protect those kids in the meantime/after? If that child was beaten that badly for “not finishing his “chores,” what is she going to do to the son who filmed her? Shoot him? Where the fck is dad? The sad truth is this happens every day all over the earth. Prayers for those kids and others abused here and abroad.
People have become so soft. I'll agree, that was a few too many hits with the belt, but I'm all for a kid getting some discipline like this when they are being little shits. We've gotten so far away from kids learning respect and a healthy fear of their parents, their elders, the law, and consequences.
I see a Mother---probably single---trying to raise a couple of young boys that refuse to mind her and I believe she should have whipped them BOTH but you should never discipline a child when you are angry. THAT is the only problem i see here.
I never would consider beating my child, ever. A beaten child only learns to lie and sneak so they do not get caught again. They do not learn a lesson, except the person who they are reliant on and love has hurt them. Its fucked up, c'mon now. There are other lessons that stick much better. I dont know. Thats just me. I gave this person a ride once with her grandson, and the little boy was just sitting in the back humming and drawing traces on the fogged up window, she bursts out "shut up, if your father was here, he would smack you" I reminded her that I was a mandated reporter, and if I saw the father, (trust me, he's a dirtbag, welfare daddy with 4 baby mamas) I would report him. Well, someone reported, and all of the kids were taken out of that trailer.Place looked like those places that get busted by cops on Youtube. You know if we just let it happen and say that parents have the right to hurt their kids, some won't make it, because people get ticked off just because of their responsibility as a parent, and melt down at the kid. I felt so bad for that little boy, he already had defeat and defiance in his 5 year old eyes.
As someone who was a terror growing up and who ended up working for 11 years a Detention Deputy, I'm trying to figure out where's the abuse? What finally changed me? I got tired of getting my behind tore up. I obviously hated it as a child but I am eternally grateful for spankings in retrospect.
The only way it can be classified as abuse is if she didn't give him an opportunity to complete said chores in a timely manner. Outside of that, the boys should receive what they deserve.
I tell my boys all the time that providing instructions is me being nice. If I have to tell them numerous times to complete a task to no avail, then clearly talking is not working. That's a them problem at that point if the belt needs to come out.
As to how this relates to jail....if these young boys are the type where providing instructions (talking) does nothing, what do you think is going to happen when they are 6+ feet tall and 230 pounds? You think other men or law enforcement officials have all day to talk? Though spanking is harsh, it's not on par with being pummeled by multiple men or worse yet, being shot and killed. They need to learn the lesson now before it's too late.
Looks like comments are split saying this was ok and others not, I'm team "this is ok but I probably wouldn't do it the same way myself"
“People are entitled to discipline their children how they choose, but that went well beyond discipline. It was abuse,” said Burch.
So what are the guidelines for disciplining your children so you don't get arrested then because that's a contradictory statement, she was disciplining the child how she chose but you decided it was illegal arbitrarily...
Staples reportedly filed a not guilty plea through her attorney, requesting a preliminary hearing be set.
She should probably be found not guilty. I understand this is "extreme" to those not raised like this or who haven't experienced this, but I also see a split of comments saying they were raised with this kind of discipline or more. Probably needs to be clearer guidelines
You can discipline a child with psychological techniques that arguably create worse harm to a child but I doubt those parents are ever arrested
To me it sounds kind of contradictory that our country and conservatives are all about going hard with ICE "physically removing" illegals from our country to another and who quote "spare the rod, spoil the child" but when a parent actually tries to discipline their disobedient kids they're thought to be "abusing" them
I'm hearing from teachers we have the exact opposite problem, modern parents are trying to not discipline their kids at all (even in nonviolent ways) but to just get them to "cooperate" with doing the right thing. The kids don't do it and it's comical to watch the parents "wait" for them to do the right thing that they don't do.
The kids also know our schools don't punish them so they are acting wildly:
"Teachers are fed up with no-consequence discipline"
"In an online thread, thousands of teachers tell stories about the new normal of students throwing supplies, cussing out teachers, and showing complete apathy toward academic work. PBS ran a more thoroughly journalistic story in which teachers raised the same concerns: “Hitting, biting, spitting, throwing furniture” are common in too many classrooms nowadays."
Now while I have defended "corporal discipline", I really am not for using it as much in practice. It's like a gun used in self-defense: you (or at least I) try to exhaust nonviolent means of resolving conflict before resorting to using force.
I have absolutely experienced myself though kids that would benefit from more corporal punishments. Such kids are violent themselves towards parents and superiors at times!
I learned growing up, late 60’s-70’s, when my parents said something they said what they meant and they meant what they said. When I was 10 my mom told me if she ever caught me playing with the kid next door, whose parents were drug addict hippies she’d beat me 40 times with a belt….. You can guess what happened
If they learn discipline early on, I started as soon as the boys could move, on their own, around the room, it makes being cooperative later on much easier. I would tell them no and if they didn't stop what they were doing, I would smack their hand or swat their butt. I rarely had to spank later as they were pretty good boys.
Psh, my dad beat me at least 22 times with a belt and he was never teacher of the year!
I used to get beat with the buckle on the belt.
Woah.
I'm all for disciplining children but this go's a bit to far.....
But compared to a Shellback experience, my 18 YO self would agree... 😯
Unpleasant? Yes. Unlawful? Cuz she’s conservative? If she was a different flavor, she would get a prize. If you have raised boys, you know talk doesn’t always work. Have we not learned from Q that pain is the only way for some to learn. Bring on the PAIN
What is going to protect those kids in the meantime/after? If that child was beaten that badly for “not finishing his “chores,” what is she going to do to the son who filmed her? Shoot him? Where the fck is dad? The sad truth is this happens every day all over the earth. Prayers for those kids and others abused here and abroad.
People have become so soft. I'll agree, that was a few too many hits with the belt, but I'm all for a kid getting some discipline like this when they are being little shits. We've gotten so far away from kids learning respect and a healthy fear of their parents, their elders, the law, and consequences.
I see a Mother---probably single---trying to raise a couple of young boys that refuse to mind her and I believe she should have whipped them BOTH but you should never discipline a child when you are angry. THAT is the only problem i see here.
Way to far! That was basically a flogging!
I never counted but I'm pretty sure I got that kid beat. (No pun intended)
Pssh! That kid is lucky. I got the buckle sometimes too.
Glad she got caught.
What a weirdly specific number
I never would consider beating my child, ever. A beaten child only learns to lie and sneak so they do not get caught again. They do not learn a lesson, except the person who they are reliant on and love has hurt them. Its fucked up, c'mon now. There are other lessons that stick much better. I dont know. Thats just me. I gave this person a ride once with her grandson, and the little boy was just sitting in the back humming and drawing traces on the fogged up window, she bursts out "shut up, if your father was here, he would smack you" I reminded her that I was a mandated reporter, and if I saw the father, (trust me, he's a dirtbag, welfare daddy with 4 baby mamas) I would report him. Well, someone reported, and all of the kids were taken out of that trailer.Place looked like those places that get busted by cops on Youtube. You know if we just let it happen and say that parents have the right to hurt their kids, some won't make it, because people get ticked off just because of their responsibility as a parent, and melt down at the kid. I felt so bad for that little boy, he already had defeat and defiance in his 5 year old eyes.
I got the wooden spoon. Mom broke a wooden spoon once. Kek.
I had it coming, btw.
Over the pants? He was just screaming so she would stop sooner.
As someone who was a terror growing up and who ended up working for 11 years a Detention Deputy, I'm trying to figure out where's the abuse? What finally changed me? I got tired of getting my behind tore up. I obviously hated it as a child but I am eternally grateful for spankings in retrospect.
The only way it can be classified as abuse is if she didn't give him an opportunity to complete said chores in a timely manner. Outside of that, the boys should receive what they deserve.
I tell my boys all the time that providing instructions is me being nice. If I have to tell them numerous times to complete a task to no avail, then clearly talking is not working. That's a them problem at that point if the belt needs to come out.
As to how this relates to jail....if these young boys are the type where providing instructions (talking) does nothing, what do you think is going to happen when they are 6+ feet tall and 230 pounds? You think other men or law enforcement officials have all day to talk? Though spanking is harsh, it's not on par with being pummeled by multiple men or worse yet, being shot and killed. They need to learn the lesson now before it's too late.
Looks like comments are split saying this was ok and others not, I'm team "this is ok but I probably wouldn't do it the same way myself"
So what are the guidelines for disciplining your children so you don't get arrested then because that's a contradictory statement, she was disciplining the child how she chose but you decided it was illegal arbitrarily...
She should probably be found not guilty. I understand this is "extreme" to those not raised like this or who haven't experienced this, but I also see a split of comments saying they were raised with this kind of discipline or more. Probably needs to be clearer guidelines
You can discipline a child with psychological techniques that arguably create worse harm to a child but I doubt those parents are ever arrested
To me it sounds kind of contradictory that our country and conservatives are all about going hard with ICE "physically removing" illegals from our country to another and who quote "spare the rod, spoil the child" but when a parent actually tries to discipline their disobedient kids they're thought to be "abusing" them
I'm hearing from teachers we have the exact opposite problem, modern parents are trying to not discipline their kids at all (even in nonviolent ways) but to just get them to "cooperate" with doing the right thing. The kids don't do it and it's comical to watch the parents "wait" for them to do the right thing that they don't do.
The kids also know our schools don't punish them so they are acting wildly:
Now while I have defended "corporal discipline", I really am not for using it as much in practice. It's like a gun used in self-defense: you (or at least I) try to exhaust nonviolent means of resolving conflict before resorting to using force.
I have absolutely experienced myself though kids that would benefit from more corporal punishments. Such kids are violent themselves towards parents and superiors at times!
I learned growing up, late 60’s-70’s, when my parents said something they said what they meant and they meant what they said. When I was 10 my mom told me if she ever caught me playing with the kid next door, whose parents were drug addict hippies she’d beat me 40 times with a belt….. You can guess what happened
If they learn discipline early on, I started as soon as the boys could move, on their own, around the room, it makes being cooperative later on much easier. I would tell them no and if they didn't stop what they were doing, I would smack their hand or swat their butt. I rarely had to spank later as they were pretty good boys.
Question is did he learn the lesson? I remember every lesson when my Dad uttered those words…”This is gonna hurt me more than you Son.”