I must be extremely slow on the uptake, because I can't find anywhere in any of this, or anywhere else, where it details a) what it is he's doing (other than talking to people or planning on talking to people) or b) how he plans on making AI companies or data centers do anything.
Can you explain any of the specifics in any of this? Because social media posts saying he's planning on talking to people isn't actually enough to make anyone do anything....
Because social media posts saying he's planning on talking to people isn't actually enough to make anyone do anything....
I will ignore your sarcasm, since it only tells me that. you are what we call a "sleep walker" or a "normie" who believes everything their media tells them and nothing beyond that.
Out here we started off by learning how to get an idea of what happens behind the scenes when we first started reading the Q drops. So, we dont really care what social media posts are telling you, we only go by what we see happening around us.
Whats happening is that Trump did everything that was unthinkable according to the top economists, and proved them all wrong. Cut the budget deficit, showed that tariffs do not collapse economy, proved Obama wrong by bringing back manufacturing jobs and so much more. If it was anyone else, each of this would have earned him accolades and cover pages.
How, exactly?
For those of us ont his ride this is no mystery. We were told all this would happen long ago. Trump issued this EO for a reason:
I asked you how Trump is supposedly forcing AI data centers to “get their own power” and instead of giving anything resembling a mechanism, law, EO, or regulatory change, you just grabbed a handful of random “AI investment” headlines and an executive order about human rights sanctions and called that “facts.”
Your logic seems to be...
Meta spends a ton of money on data centers
Apple spends a ton of money on U.S.
manufacturing
Nvidia spends a ton of money on AI hardware
Micron and IBM spend a ton of money on chips and computing
EO 13818 exists (about corrupt foreign officials, not utilities)
Therefore, Trump has already made AI companies build their own power supply so Americans don’t see higher electric bills.
That isn’t evidence, it’s a collage.
Investments ≠ mandates.
Press releases ≠ policy.
An EO about sanctioning foreign human rights abusers ≠ federal authority over how data centers source electricity or how utilities set retail rates.
You didn’t show...
Any law or regulation requiring data centers to build independent power
Any binding agreement where these companies “commit” to shielding U.S. retail customers from rate impacts
Any change to utility, FERC, or PUC rules
Any text that even mentions this “they must pay their own way for power” concept
You basically proved two things...
AI companies exist and spend a lot of money
Presidents can issue executive orders on totally unrelated topics
If that’s your standard of proof, then I guess “There are dolphins” + “NASA went to the moon” = my neighbor is Aquaman.
I asked you how Trump is supposedly forcing AI data centers to “get their own power”
I am not sure when or where you asked that since I said nothing about "get their own power". My comment was, literally: "For those slow on the uptake, Trump is making the enemy pay for all MAGA agenda." and thats what I explained.
you just grabbed a handful of random “AI investment” headlines
Ah, see thats your assumption, because you did not watch the press conference where they all stood next to Trump as he touted how he got them all to invest in the US, and meekly agreed that they were indeed making all these investments. So no, not "random" headlines.
That isn’t evidence, it’s a collage.
If collages don't interest you, you haven't seen a Q drop and you are in the wrong place!
AI companies exist and spend a lot of money
Did I really do just that? See, if you were looking to acquire knowledge rather than prove something (or rather reassure to yourself that Trump hasn't done anything) you would have realised that the only way that statement could be true is if you took the time to check how much money they typically invest in US infrastructure, say from 2020-2024, and then compare it to what I posted.
If there is a significant bounce, then you know its more than "they axist and spent a lot of money"
Any law or regulation requiring data centers to build independent power
Any binding agreement where these companies “commit” to shielding U.S. retail customers from rate impacts
Again, if you think the way the world really works is by binding agreements and regulations, then you are in the wrong place. Those are optics. What eally happens gets decided on in back rooms.
And inb4, no I am not gonna "prove" anything to you. I am not in the business of proving tihngs. I am here to show people what others showed me - how to see behind the veil.
If that does not interest you, its not your thing and you rather believe only what you can see with your eyes - hey, good for you. But you wont find much use from this place, thats not what we do here.
I asked you how Trump is supposedly forcing AI data centers to “get their own power” and instead of giving anything resembling a mechanism, law, EO, or regulatory change, you just grabbed a handful of random “AI investment” headlines and an executive order about human rights sanctions and called that “facts.”
I guess the problem is that you want Trump, or Bb, to say specifically what Trump’s going to do and how, before he does it.
Trump explicitly said, very early on, that our moves would never again be broadcast beforehand. It’s one of those clips that gets played over and over again, and is straight out of Sun Tzu.
You are asking for something nobody either can or will provide, then knocking on attempts at discernment of what’s going on.
Can you explain any of the specifics in any of this?
If Trump says he is doing something and you are contrarian about it, isn't the onus on you to prove him wrong?
Where is your evidence he's not doing the things he says he's doing?
I can't find anywhere in any of this, or anywhere else, where it details
You're looking for specific details that have already been published about something he just announced today? Do you expect Mother Jones to have built a time machine, get the announcement today at the same time as you, then go back to the past and post it yesterday?
If someone makes a specific policy claim (“Trump is making AI data centers get their own power”), the burden is on the person making the claim to show:
What mechanism
What authority
What law/regulation/EO
What binding agreement
What enforcement
If Trump says he is doing something and you are contrarian about it, isn't the onus on you to prove him wrong? Where is your evidence he's not doing the things he says he's doing?
Nowhere in Trump's post did HE make the claim that "he is making EVERY new AI Data Center get its own power..." At least, nowhere I can see. Someone just made the headline saying that.
I'm not saying President Trump isn't doing the things he's saying he's doing, I'm saying someone is just making a huge leap between what Trump posted and what they think it means or what they want it to mean.
That's my whole point. Where is anything, anywhere, showing that any of what THE HEADLINE above says is true. (Not what Trump is saying in the post he wrote, but what whoever wrote the headline here is claiming what Trump said.)
Trump’s post didn’t say he made anything happen. It said he’s been talking to companies and will have “more to announce.” That’s not a mandate, it’s a teaser.
Asking “what’s the mechanism?” isn’t contrarian, it’s basic verification. The default assumption in policy is “not enacted until demonstrated,” not “true until someone disproves it.”
You don’t need a time machine to recognize that no documentation, no rule change, no agreement, and no directive has been published.
If those develop later, they can be evaluated when they exist.
Calling requests for evidence “bad faith” doesn’t substitute for supplying any.
“Because Trump said something” + “headlines interpreted it” is not evidence of a policy already in effect.
I can't express how bizarre it is that I need to point this stuff out and how weird it is that people seem to think that it's a bad thing to want to see some facts instead of just automatically believing something because someone posted it here.
What happened to this being an elite research board? Since when did elite research= believing stuff just because it was posted here and criticize people who ask for actual evidence to claims being made?🤷♀️
You're on a Q board. The default setting should be giving deference to Trump. Not assuming he's lying.
Q spent years proving they are military intelligence so that we don't have to second guess every decision Trump makes.
Here, I'll show you the way it works on a board that trusts Trump:
Trump:
I'm going to make AI companies pay for their own power.
Everyone:
Ok.
Concern troll:
Lacks proof.
And this ...
“Because Trump said something” + “headlines interpreted it” is not evidence of a policy already in effect.
I'm fully prepared to live in a world where Trump doesn't deliver on his promise to make AI companies pay for their own power. Because I wasn't demanding that happen anyway. It was an unrequested gift nobody was asking for.
To challenge the gift serves no purpose other than to call Trump's integrity into question. On a Q board. Where Trump and Q had already bent themselves into pretzels for years proving themselves, yet you haven't passed 1st base with trust and deference.
The headline claimed something different. That they’d have to supply/build their own power so regular people don’t get rate hikes.
It's not just about the companies paying for the energy they use.
It's also about the electric companies having to upgrade their facilities, equipment, run the lines out to the middle of nowhere where many of these data centers are being built.
That all takes a lot of money to do beyond just the energy that the data centers consume, and those costs are passed on to all the existing customers of the power companies.
Which is why so many people around the country are seeing their electric bills spike.
Which is why so many people around the country are angry about the data centers creating such a huge demand in power.
If a company can get away with not paying they will. So as the president has said, he will force them to. There are legal ways, through executive action, that can accomplish this.
It's not that difficult.
And by the way, a lot of this supposed cost is complete fantasy.
For those slow on the uptake, Trump is making the enemy pay for all MAGA agenda.
How, exactly?
I must be extremely slow on the uptake, because I can't find anywhere in any of this, or anywhere else, where it details a) what it is he's doing (other than talking to people or planning on talking to people) or b) how he plans on making AI companies or data centers do anything.
Can you explain any of the specifics in any of this? Because social media posts saying he's planning on talking to people isn't actually enough to make anyone do anything....
I dunno whats there to explain. I will simply link you to the facts and you can ask someone else to explain them to you:
Meta invests $600 billion
Apple invests $600 billion
OpenAI, Softbank and Oracle investing $500 billion
NVIDIA invests 500 billion
Micron invests 200 billion
IBM invests 150 billion
And this is only a partial list.
I will ignore your sarcasm, since it only tells me that. you are what we call a "sleep walker" or a "normie" who believes everything their media tells them and nothing beyond that.
Out here we started off by learning how to get an idea of what happens behind the scenes when we first started reading the Q drops. So, we dont really care what social media posts are telling you, we only go by what we see happening around us.
Whats happening is that Trump did everything that was unthinkable according to the top economists, and proved them all wrong. Cut the budget deficit, showed that tariffs do not collapse economy, proved Obama wrong by bringing back manufacturing jobs and so much more. If it was anyone else, each of this would have earned him accolades and cover pages.
For those of us ont his ride this is no mystery. We were told all this would happen long ago. Trump issued this EO for a reason:
EO 13818
So let me get this straight...
I asked you how Trump is supposedly forcing AI data centers to “get their own power” and instead of giving anything resembling a mechanism, law, EO, or regulatory change, you just grabbed a handful of random “AI investment” headlines and an executive order about human rights sanctions and called that “facts.”
Your logic seems to be... Meta spends a ton of money on data centers
Apple spends a ton of money on U.S. manufacturing
Nvidia spends a ton of money on AI hardware
Micron and IBM spend a ton of money on chips and computing
EO 13818 exists (about corrupt foreign officials, not utilities)
Therefore, Trump has already made AI companies build their own power supply so Americans don’t see higher electric bills.
That isn’t evidence, it’s a collage.
Investments ≠ mandates.
Press releases ≠ policy.
An EO about sanctioning foreign human rights abusers ≠ federal authority over how data centers source electricity or how utilities set retail rates.
You didn’t show...
Any law or regulation requiring data centers to build independent power
Any binding agreement where these companies “commit” to shielding U.S. retail customers from rate impacts
Any change to utility, FERC, or PUC rules
Any text that even mentions this “they must pay their own way for power” concept
You basically proved two things...
AI companies exist and spend a lot of money
Presidents can issue executive orders on totally unrelated topics
If that’s your standard of proof, then I guess “There are dolphins” + “NASA went to the moon” = my neighbor is Aquaman.
🙄
I am not sure when or where you asked that since I said nothing about "get their own power". My comment was, literally: "For those slow on the uptake, Trump is making the enemy pay for all MAGA agenda." and thats what I explained.
Ah, see thats your assumption, because you did not watch the press conference where they all stood next to Trump as he touted how he got them all to invest in the US, and meekly agreed that they were indeed making all these investments. So no, not "random" headlines.
If collages don't interest you, you haven't seen a Q drop and you are in the wrong place!
Did I really do just that? See, if you were looking to acquire knowledge rather than prove something (or rather reassure to yourself that Trump hasn't done anything) you would have realised that the only way that statement could be true is if you took the time to check how much money they typically invest in US infrastructure, say from 2020-2024, and then compare it to what I posted.
If there is a significant bounce, then you know its more than "they axist and spent a lot of money"
Again, if you think the way the world really works is by binding agreements and regulations, then you are in the wrong place. Those are optics. What eally happens gets decided on in back rooms.
And inb4, no I am not gonna "prove" anything to you. I am not in the business of proving tihngs. I am here to show people what others showed me - how to see behind the veil.
If that does not interest you, its not your thing and you rather believe only what you can see with your eyes - hey, good for you. But you wont find much use from this place, thats not what we do here.
BTW, man, if only you understood the real irony of your username!
u/#topkek
I guess the problem is that you want Trump, or Bb, to say specifically what Trump’s going to do and how, before he does it.
Trump explicitly said, very early on, that our moves would never again be broadcast beforehand. It’s one of those clips that gets played over and over again, and is straight out of Sun Tzu.
You are asking for something nobody either can or will provide, then knocking on attempts at discernment of what’s going on.
If Trump says he is doing something and you are contrarian about it, isn't the onus on you to prove him wrong?
Where is your evidence he's not doing the things he says he's doing?
You're looking for specific details that have already been published about something he just announced today? Do you expect Mother Jones to have built a time machine, get the announcement today at the same time as you, then go back to the past and post it yesterday?
Sounds like bad faith concern trolling to me.
You’ve reversed the burden of proof.
If someone makes a specific policy claim (“Trump is making AI data centers get their own power”), the burden is on the person making the claim to show:
What mechanism
What authority
What law/regulation/EO
What binding agreement
What enforcement
Nowhere in Trump's post did HE make the claim that "he is making EVERY new AI Data Center get its own power..." At least, nowhere I can see. Someone just made the headline saying that.
I'm not saying President Trump isn't doing the things he's saying he's doing, I'm saying someone is just making a huge leap between what Trump posted and what they think it means or what they want it to mean.
That's my whole point. Where is anything, anywhere, showing that any of what THE HEADLINE above says is true. (Not what Trump is saying in the post he wrote, but what whoever wrote the headline here is claiming what Trump said.)
Trump’s post didn’t say he made anything happen. It said he’s been talking to companies and will have “more to announce.” That’s not a mandate, it’s a teaser.
Asking “what’s the mechanism?” isn’t contrarian, it’s basic verification. The default assumption in policy is “not enacted until demonstrated,” not “true until someone disproves it.”
You don’t need a time machine to recognize that no documentation, no rule change, no agreement, and no directive has been published.
If those develop later, they can be evaluated when they exist.
Calling requests for evidence “bad faith” doesn’t substitute for supplying any.
“Because Trump said something” + “headlines interpreted it” is not evidence of a policy already in effect.
I can't express how bizarre it is that I need to point this stuff out and how weird it is that people seem to think that it's a bad thing to want to see some facts instead of just automatically believing something because someone posted it here.
What happened to this being an elite research board? Since when did elite research= believing stuff just because it was posted here and criticize people who ask for actual evidence to claims being made?🤷♀️
You're on a Q board. The default setting should be giving deference to Trump. Not assuming he's lying.
Q spent years proving they are military intelligence so that we don't have to second guess every decision Trump makes.
Here, I'll show you the way it works on a board that trusts Trump:
Trump:
Everyone:
Concern troll:
And this ...
I'm fully prepared to live in a world where Trump doesn't deliver on his promise to make AI companies pay for their own power. Because I wasn't demanding that happen anyway. It was an unrequested gift nobody was asking for.
To challenge the gift serves no purpose other than to call Trump's integrity into question. On a Q board. Where Trump and Q had already bent themselves into pretzels for years proving themselves, yet you haven't passed 1st base with trust and deference.
You're the only one, if you actually are one.
I can explain. It’s literally happening in my town. We have a new mega DC going in right now and a power plant is going in right next to it.
Ok...what are you explaining? The fact that data centers exist and they need a lot of power?
That was never in question or in need of explaining.
But thanks for putting your valuable $.02 in. It's always a pleasure to hear from you.
🤷♀️
How hard is it to force a company to pay for it's own power consumption?
They do it to you everyday.
Companies already pay their electric bills.
The headline claimed something different. That they’d have to supply/build their own power so regular people don’t get rate hikes.
It's not just about the companies paying for the energy they use.
It's also about the electric companies having to upgrade their facilities, equipment, run the lines out to the middle of nowhere where many of these data centers are being built.
That all takes a lot of money to do beyond just the energy that the data centers consume, and those costs are passed on to all the existing customers of the power companies.
Which is why so many people around the country are seeing their electric bills spike.
Which is why so many people around the country are angry about the data centers creating such a huge demand in power.
See how that works?
Yeah, I see how it works, because it's the norm.
If a company can get away with not paying they will. So as the president has said, he will force them to. There are legal ways, through executive action, that can accomplish this.
It's not that difficult.
And by the way, a lot of this supposed cost is complete fantasy.
The way the post reads, I think we will find out more later this week
Well, the way his social media posts reads, yeah, it's obvious that he plans to talk to people about it.
The way the title of the post here is written, it suggests it's already done or that he has already made the claim.
Andrea Rossi of Leonardo Corporation has built an over unity power generator that will provide power from the zero point/aether its in production now.
https://newfireenergy.substack.com/p/elon-musks-trillion-timing-error