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President Trump announces he is making EVERY new AI Data Center get its own power from the tech company instead of raising Americans' electricity bills (twitter.com) 🏆 - WINNING - 🏆
posted 163 days ago by TexasPatriot_40 163 days ago by TexasPatriot_40 +213 / -0
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– BakasEverywhere 5 points 163 days ago +5 / -0

How, exactly?

I must be extremely slow on the uptake, because I can't find anywhere in any of this, or anywhere else, where it details a) what it is he's doing (other than talking to people or planning on talking to people) or b) how he plans on making AI companies or data centers do anything.

Can you explain any of the specifics in any of this? Because social media posts saying he's planning on talking to people isn't actually enough to make anyone do anything....

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– bubble_bursts 5 points 162 days ago +5 / -0

Can you explain any of the specifics in any of this?

I dunno whats there to explain. I will simply link you to the facts and you can ask someone else to explain them to you:

Meta invests $600 billion

Apple invests $600 billion

OpenAI, Softbank and Oracle investing $500 billion

NVIDIA invests 500 billion

Micron invests 200 billion

IBM invests 150 billion

And this is only a partial list.

Because social media posts saying he's planning on talking to people isn't actually enough to make anyone do anything....

I will ignore your sarcasm, since it only tells me that. you are what we call a "sleep walker" or a "normie" who believes everything their media tells them and nothing beyond that.

Out here we started off by learning how to get an idea of what happens behind the scenes when we first started reading the Q drops. So, we dont really care what social media posts are telling you, we only go by what we see happening around us.

Whats happening is that Trump did everything that was unthinkable according to the top economists, and proved them all wrong. Cut the budget deficit, showed that tariffs do not collapse economy, proved Obama wrong by bringing back manufacturing jobs and so much more. If it was anyone else, each of this would have earned him accolades and cover pages.

How, exactly?

For those of us ont his ride this is no mystery. We were told all this would happen long ago. Trump issued this EO for a reason:

EO 13818

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– BakasEverywhere 1 point 162 days ago +1 / -0

So let me get this straight...

I asked you how Trump is supposedly forcing AI data centers to “get their own power” and instead of giving anything resembling a mechanism, law, EO, or regulatory change, you just grabbed a handful of random “AI investment” headlines and an executive order about human rights sanctions and called that “facts.”

Your logic seems to be... Meta spends a ton of money on data centers

Apple spends a ton of money on U.S. manufacturing

Nvidia spends a ton of money on AI hardware

Micron and IBM spend a ton of money on chips and computing

EO 13818 exists (about corrupt foreign officials, not utilities)

Therefore, Trump has already made AI companies build their own power supply so Americans don’t see higher electric bills.

That isn’t evidence, it’s a collage.

Investments ≠ mandates.

Press releases ≠ policy.

An EO about sanctioning foreign human rights abusers ≠ federal authority over how data centers source electricity or how utilities set retail rates.

You didn’t show...

Any law or regulation requiring data centers to build independent power

Any binding agreement where these companies “commit” to shielding U.S. retail customers from rate impacts

Any change to utility, FERC, or PUC rules

Any text that even mentions this “they must pay their own way for power” concept

You basically proved two things...

AI companies exist and spend a lot of money

Presidents can issue executive orders on totally unrelated topics

If that’s your standard of proof, then I guess “There are dolphins” + “NASA went to the moon” = my neighbor is Aquaman.

🙄

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– bubble_bursts 3 points 162 days ago +3 / -0

I asked you how Trump is supposedly forcing AI data centers to “get their own power”

I am not sure when or where you asked that since I said nothing about "get their own power". My comment was, literally: "For those slow on the uptake, Trump is making the enemy pay for all MAGA agenda." and thats what I explained.

you just grabbed a handful of random “AI investment” headlines

Ah, see thats your assumption, because you did not watch the press conference where they all stood next to Trump as he touted how he got them all to invest in the US, and meekly agreed that they were indeed making all these investments. So no, not "random" headlines.

That isn’t evidence, it’s a collage.

If collages don't interest you, you haven't seen a Q drop and you are in the wrong place!

AI companies exist and spend a lot of money

Did I really do just that? See, if you were looking to acquire knowledge rather than prove something (or rather reassure to yourself that Trump hasn't done anything) you would have realised that the only way that statement could be true is if you took the time to check how much money they typically invest in US infrastructure, say from 2020-2024, and then compare it to what I posted.

If there is a significant bounce, then you know its more than "they axist and spent a lot of money"

Any law or regulation requiring data centers to build independent power

Any binding agreement where these companies “commit” to shielding U.S. retail customers from rate impacts

Again, if you think the way the world really works is by binding agreements and regulations, then you are in the wrong place. Those are optics. What eally happens gets decided on in back rooms.

And inb4, no I am not gonna "prove" anything to you. I am not in the business of proving tihngs. I am here to show people what others showed me - how to see behind the veil.

If that does not interest you, its not your thing and you rather believe only what you can see with your eyes - hey, good for you. But you wont find much use from this place, thats not what we do here.

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– BakasEverywhere 1 point 162 days ago +1 / -0

You’re shifting the goalposts and redefining terms as you go.

  1. The original claim was explicit. The headline and multiple comments framed it as

“Trump is making data centers get their own power so Americans don’t pay higher electricity bills.”

I asked the obvious policy question...How? Mechanism matters.

You pivoted to: “Trump is making the enemy pay for MAGA agenda.”

That’s not the same claim, and it doesn’t answer the question.

  1. Press conferences and CEOs standing politely are not mechanisms.

Corporations nodding along at an announcement ≠ mandates, rate structures, utility agreements, energy sourcing requirements, or regulatory changes.

That’s PR optics, not policy implementation.

  1. “Behind the veil” isn’t a substitute for evidence.

You explicitly said: “If you think the way the world really works is by binding agreements and regulations… Those are optics.”

But the physical world of infrastructure, utilities, and energy markets actually is governed by retail/commercial tariff structures, interconnect agreements, environmental permitting, amd capacity markets.

You don’t get to power a hyperscale data center on “back room vibes.”

  1. If your argument is “it’s real but cannot be proven,” that’s a belief system, not analysis.

When someone says: “I’m not going to prove anything” “This gets decided in back rooms” “If that doesn’t interest you, you’re in the wrong place”

They’re declaring a faith model, not a factual one.

Belief models are fine. Just don’t present them as policy outcomes.

  1. Investment ≠ mandate.

Even if every number you cited is correct, it shows AI companies are spending money on AI infrastructure

It does not show mandatory off-grid power, shielding retail ratepayers, new energy siting law, etc...

Those are different claims entirely.

Bottom line If your position is “there is no mechanism, no documents, no regulations, and no agreements because this is all behind-the-scenes,” then you’ve essentially confirmed my point.

There is currently no evidence of the specific claim that data centers are being required to ‘get their own power’ so retail customers don’t pay more.

That’s not “normie thinking. That’s how physical infrastructure, utility billing, and policy work. 🤷‍♀️

Pay attention to what's actually happened here.

The headline made a claim that is not supported by any actual evidence.

I asked if anyone had any actual evidence, because I couldn't find any.

Your response is basically "There isn't any actual evidence because evidence is being hidden."

Now, not even debating if such evidence is actually being hidden or why it's being hidden, you're confirming that I'm correct in saying there is no actual evidence to these claims to be seen.

And then basically crawling up my ass because I dared to ask for evidence to a claim some random person claimed President Trump said by sharing a Truth Social post from President Trump that didn't show what the OP claimed. 🤷‍♀️

I swear, sometimes I wonder if people think about what it is they're saying, instead of just having a knee jerk reaction of " Someone isn't agreeing with something I want to believe, that means they're my enemy! AAARRRRGGHHHH!!!"(my imagination supplying their battle cry)

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– bubble_bursts 2 points 162 days ago +2 / -0

BTW, man, if only you understood the real irony of your username!

u/#topkek

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– BakasEverywhere 1 point 162 days ago +1 / -0

Uh huh

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– AmateurExpert 1 point 162 days ago +1 / -0

I asked you how Trump is supposedly forcing AI data centers to “get their own power” and instead of giving anything resembling a mechanism, law, EO, or regulatory change, you just grabbed a handful of random “AI investment” headlines and an executive order about human rights sanctions and called that “facts.”

I guess the problem is that you want Trump, or Bb, to say specifically what Trump’s going to do and how, before he does it.

Trump explicitly said, very early on, that our moves would never again be broadcast beforehand. It’s one of those clips that gets played over and over again, and is straight out of Sun Tzu.

You are asking for something nobody either can or will provide, then knocking on attempts at discernment of what’s going on.

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– BakasEverywhere 2 points 162 days ago +2 / -0

You’re reframing the entire issue as “you’re not allowed to ask how because Sun Tzu,” which neatly avoids the original claim.

There are three separate layers here that you’re collapsing into one.

(1) A public policy claim. The headline asserts something concrete...

“Trump is making AI data centers get their own power.”

That is a checkable, real-world claim about infrastructure and regulation.

(2) A demand for evidence, not clairvoyance.

Asking...

“What mechanism, law, order, or agreement makes this true?”

is not asking for prophecy or operational disclosure. It’s asking for anything in the present tense that makes the claim real rather than aspirational.

(3) Your response replaces evidence with doctrine. Your argument boils down toTrump won’t broadcast moves therefore it’s invalid to ask for evidence therefore the claim is functionally true by principle, not by proof.

That’s not discernment. That’s faith. Faith has its place, but it’s not the same category as verifying a policy claim.

Here’s the key distinction, if the headline said

“Trump *plans to talk to tech companies about data center power costs,” there’d be no issue. That matches what we can observe.

But when a headline upgrades that to:

“Trump is making AI companies build their own power"

that requires mechanisms, not Sun Tzu quotes.

And no, asking for present tense evidence is not asking for Trump to “telegraph moves” or “broadcast strategy.”

It’s asking whether the claim reflects reality yet.

If the honest answer is

“This is not happening yet, but we believe it will"

then fine , that’s a prediction, not a fact.

TL;DR: The HEADLINE is making a claim that is not supported by anything in real life.

I'm not sure if people are having such an issue with my request for actual evidence to the claims the HEADLINE makes because they think I'm calling Trump a liar, because they didn't bother to actually read what Trump wrote, and just believe what the HEADLINE says, or because they're upset that I'm poking holes in their hopium balloons that AI Data centers will have to pay for electricity. And if so, is that because they're upset their electric bills are so high and they're shifting their anger onto me because, again, I'm popping their hopium ballons?

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– magavoices 2 points 162 days ago +2 / -0

Can you explain any of the specifics in any of this?

If Trump says he is doing something and you are contrarian about it, isn't the onus on you to prove him wrong?

Where is your evidence he's not doing the things he says he's doing?

I can't find anywhere in any of this, or anywhere else, where it details

You're looking for specific details that have already been published about something he just announced today? Do you expect Mother Jones to have built a time machine, get the announcement today at the same time as you, then go back to the past and post it yesterday?

Sounds like bad faith concern trolling to me.

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– BakasEverywhere 1 point 162 days ago +1 / -0

You’ve reversed the burden of proof.

If someone makes a specific policy claim (“Trump is making AI data centers get their own power”), the burden is on the person making the claim to show:

What mechanism

What authority

What law/regulation/EO

What binding agreement

What enforcement

If Trump says he is doing something and you are contrarian about it, isn't the onus on you to prove him wrong? Where is your evidence he's not doing the things he says he's doing?

Nowhere in Trump's post did HE make the claim that "he is making EVERY new AI Data Center get its own power..." At least, nowhere I can see. Someone just made the headline saying that.

I'm not saying President Trump isn't doing the things he's saying he's doing, I'm saying someone is just making a huge leap between what Trump posted and what they think it means or what they want it to mean.

That's my whole point. Where is anything, anywhere, showing that any of what THE HEADLINE above says is true. (Not what Trump is saying in the post he wrote, but what whoever wrote the headline here is claiming what Trump said.)

Trump’s post didn’t say he made anything happen. It said he’s been talking to companies and will have “more to announce.” That’s not a mandate, it’s a teaser.

Asking “what’s the mechanism?” isn’t contrarian, it’s basic verification. The default assumption in policy is “not enacted until demonstrated,” not “true until someone disproves it.”

You don’t need a time machine to recognize that no documentation, no rule change, no agreement, and no directive has been published.

If those develop later, they can be evaluated when they exist.

Calling requests for evidence “bad faith” doesn’t substitute for supplying any.

“Because Trump said something” + “headlines interpreted it” is not evidence of a policy already in effect.

I can't express how bizarre it is that I need to point this stuff out and how weird it is that people seem to think that it's a bad thing to want to see some facts instead of just automatically believing something because someone posted it here.

What happened to this being an elite research board? Since when did elite research= believing stuff just because it was posted here and criticize people who ask for actual evidence to claims being made?🤷‍♀️

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– magavoices 1 point 162 days ago +1 / -0

You’ve reversed the burden of proof.

You're on a Q board. The default setting should be giving deference to Trump. Not assuming he's lying.

Q spent years proving they are military intelligence so that we don't have to second guess every decision Trump makes.

Here, I'll show you the way it works on a board that trusts Trump:

Trump:

I'm going to make AI companies pay for their own power.

Everyone:

Ok.

Concern troll:

Lacks proof.

And this ...

“Because Trump said something” + “headlines interpreted it” is not evidence of a policy already in effect.

I'm fully prepared to live in a world where Trump doesn't deliver on his promise to make AI companies pay for their own power. Because I wasn't demanding that happen anyway. It was an unrequested gift nobody was asking for.

To challenge the gift serves no purpose other than to call Trump's integrity into question. On a Q board. Where Trump and Q had already bent themselves into pretzels for years proving themselves, yet you haven't passed 1st base with trust and deference.

You're the only one, if you actually are one.

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– BakasEverywhere 1 point 162 days ago +1 / -0

Dude, did you not read my posts?

I'm not assuming TRUMP is lying.

I'm saying the OP made a headline up that has nothing to do with what TRUMP has actually said.

That's it. There's no point of even bothering to reply to the rest of your post because it's all built on a faulty premise.

I'm not saying Trump is lying about anything.

I'm saying that THE HEADLINE is not supported by anything President Trump has actually said or done.

I can't believe I have to keep spelling this out in excruciating detail. It's not complicated. AT ALL.

Maybe you should stop making up quotes that Trump never actually said to try to support your stance. It's the reason for this argument in the first place. People just making shit up and saying that Trump said it. 🤷‍♀️

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– therobots 2 points 162 days ago +2 / -0

I can explain. It’s literally happening in my town. We have a new mega DC going in right now and a power plant is going in right next to it.

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– BakasEverywhere 1 point 162 days ago +1 / -0

Ok...what are you explaining? The fact that data centers exist and they need a lot of power?

That was never in question or in need of explaining.

But thanks for putting your valuable $.02 in. It's always a pleasure to hear from you.

🤷‍♀️

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– Donny_Fiasco 2 points 162 days ago +2 / -0

How hard is it to force a company to pay for it's own power consumption?

They do it to you everyday.

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– BakasEverywhere 1 point 162 days ago +1 / -0

Companies already pay their electric bills.

The headline claimed something different. That they’d have to supply/build their own power so regular people don’t get rate hikes.

It's not just about the companies paying for the energy they use.

It's also about the electric companies having to upgrade their facilities, equipment, run the lines out to the middle of nowhere where many of these data centers are being built.

That all takes a lot of money to do beyond just the energy that the data centers consume, and those costs are passed on to all the existing customers of the power companies.

Which is why so many people around the country are seeing their electric bills spike.

Which is why so many people around the country are angry about the data centers creating such a huge demand in power.

See how that works?

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– Donny_Fiasco 1 point 162 days ago +1 / -0

Yeah, I see how it works, because it's the norm.

If a company can get away with not paying they will. So as the president has said, he will force them to. There are legal ways, through executive action, that can accomplish this.

It's not that difficult.

And by the way, a lot of this supposed cost is complete fantasy.

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– nakedjay 2 points 163 days ago +2 / -0

The way the post reads, I think we will find out more later this week

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– BakasEverywhere 2 points 163 days ago +2 / -0

Well, the way his social media posts reads, yeah, it's obvious that he plans to talk to people about it.

The way the title of the post here is written, it suggests it's already done or that he has already made the claim.

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