Edit: After reading the Florida law, an ai porn charge isnt just a subjective "ai", its specifically ai that depicts people under 12. With that in mind i wanted to note that this is more about the laws ive seen in the news that are completely subjective at the 18yo line where a random leo can claim a young adult is totally underage and charge that, which this is not.
I dont get AI and cartoons. Perverts having safe stroke material means they dont actually victimize people. We have a hundred years of proof, people getting gross magazines and not being pervs in real life and then on the internet we have like 30 or more years of proof.
Like, i get it, its all creepy af. Especially sex dolls. But id rather they violate a keyboard and doll in their own home than start stalking kids because they can't get their kicks elsewhere.
(There's that whole make a random photo into a sexual scene via ai thats especially messed up, too, but we have laws against 'revenge porn' and using people's likenesses that i would support making an extra "if its a child" law)
I feel like this is starting to look like the war on drugs. Agencies and law makers are pushing the line past people who are victimized and into any reason to justify their existence. Like age laws to access computers. "For the children". Just like the IRS getting notified every time you deposit $601 or the police getting to seize 'large sums of cash' you know...."to stop the drug cartels".
Sin is never satisfied. Their perversion and lust will only escalate. Its why pirn addicts always want more go deeper in the nasty stuff, or start to seek out escorts.
These pedos already have access to dark web CP and still they'll lure little kids away off Roblox. You think they were satisfied with real, actual CP? No, sin always wants more.
And also, what AI is generating this material? Needs to be shut down.
Edit: After reading the Florida law, an ai porn charge isnt just a subjective "ai", its specifically ai that depicts people under 12. With that in mind i wanted to note that this is more about the laws ive seen in the news that are completely subjective at the 18yo line where a random leo can claim a young adult is totally underage and charge that, which this is not.
First, actual cp or predatoring kids off of roblox is not the same thing as cartoons or ai.
Second, the "its a slippery slope to hell" is not true, that's the devil telling you to make his job easier.
People wake up every single day and decide to stop doing sinful things and strive to be better. You know what hard-stops them? We demonstrated it as a society for fifty years in the war on drugs: Throwing Marijuana smokers in prison exposed the casual users to real crime and embed them in it. Once they are there, they can't wake up one day and stop and toss their stash out because now they are part of a gang or even a cartel.
And the perverted thing is that, once we tossed them into the dark, the government and church pastors making bank all went "look - they dont have any light on them out where we tossed them. That means we did a good thing."
As long as there isnt a victim, whether thats via actual cp or grooming, I dont see why we'd drop someone into the dark and tell them they are worthless and irredeemable instead of creating the society that encourages people to leave the basement and come back to the daylight.
Themselves, the creators, the distributors, all their spouses, children, parents, family, friends, neighbors, employers, etc. No sin is personal, it affects everyone.
If sin is shared, then we are all cast upon gehenna. We must make a personal choice to follow Him and be saved. That means sin is not spread like a contagion, but is preserved each on our own souls.
This is why the Lord reserves vengeance and spiritual judgement for Himself.
We burn people to death under guise of our righteousness. We Hatfield and McCoy. He wants us to have a (lot of) chance to find Him.
Because imagine it the other way. A parent permanently stains their teen because he stole, even if the teen didn't know. Now the Lord is going to reject that teen and cast him out? You bought a shirt from China, and now you are cast out?
And that's just a brief consideration of mundane sins before we get to the world's "worse level" of sins.
You can find this supported over and over in His word, save for idolatry when Moses descended the mount. Ezekiel 18, Jeremiah 31, Deut 24, Matt 16, and John 5, amongst others.
Luke 12 even deals with ignorance directly - not knowing gets you lesser punishment.
As a Christian woman, I firmly disagree with giving these motherfuckers any concessions at all. The (evil) spirit of the matter is still fucking there. I don't want my daughter to be found in an AI porn video, because it is still fucking wrong. Please change your mind, this is sick.
I already called that out and specifically said I would support a law adding additional penalties for doing that with ai. So my mind is already where you want it to be.
And, in this case, I actually support the charges because I went and read the Florida law on ai porn and its targeted at depictions of children. A lot of the laws that have slipped pass other states just gives a subjective "if someone thinks the subject looks under 18" which is crazy because I know real life 25 year old men who look like they are 15.
Second, the "its a slippery slope to hell" is not true, that's the devil telling you to make his job easier.
Your argument, u/Ausernamegoeshere: "let's make fake child pornography to keep pedophiles happy. Anyone who says otherwise is of Satan. It's satanic to NOT make fake child porn"
Let me try your argumentative tactic, u/TheMAGAnificent : "Ignore everything Christ taught- He's not the way, and He didn't tell us to live lives in any particular way."
I never said either of the things you claimed. But since you only have gotcha reasoning:
Tell me where Jesus said to always judge other's spiritual sins, to not try to help people to His way, or to turn your back on others?
Also, note my edit due to a response from others due to nuance you didnt care to understand:
After reading the Florida law, an ai porn charge isnt just a subjective "ai", its specifically ai that depicts people under 12. With that in mind i wanted to note that this is more about the laws ive seen in the news that are completely subjective at the 18yo line where a random leo can claim a young adult is totally underage and charge that, which this is not.
And us here, good patriots, and good Sheeple that don’t harm children all know, per God and Christ, those that hurt children have no future in Heaven PERIOD. So we are just obliging Christ our God in following what will be done regardless. Because no Earthly man nor woman can help any child predator. Set them free soaking wet in Antarctica, by gallows, or a cheap bullet, and help them to their final judgement. It’s that’s simple from my opinion; for premeditating upon, and choosing in sexually harming a child EVER.
And this forum is all about keeping Christ’s word, and all the world’s children free from predatory harm.
Recidivism for child sex crimes consistently rank the highest of all crimes.
Google lies. Social work studies (when they were worth anything) showed it as 60% in 1 year, as high as 98% in 5 years depending on state and rural vs. City.
Family members were often victims in longer studies. I need to see if i can find those again.
I had a family member in the field who got their doctorate on sociology and statistical studies. The data they collected would make your head spin.
I'm as opposed to this type of thing existing as I can possibly be -- mentally and spiritually.
But 'real life' porn involves exploitation of individuals (kids, women). Whereas the AI stuff is generated. So how do you distinguish between 'that's an 18-year-old being depicted' and 'that's a 16-year-old' being depicted. Plus there are actually real life 10-year-olds who are as well developed as an adult woman.
What's obvious to one person isn't obvious to the next, unless you're dealing with images of infants, babies, little kids.
And obviously AI can make those super realistic, which is problematic.
I went and read the law, Florida ai law is for deep fakes of a person and ai depicting people under 12. So, I would say that this is a properly stringent statute and not like the others ive seen where the line is a subjective 'someone could believe this person is under 18'.
I think we can drop the word "alleged" at this point.
Agreed.
I think we can drop all pedophiles into the deep ocean at this point.
Don’t forget the millstones!
Death penalty automatic. No discretion. Fuck these 5 year sentences for horrible crimes against children.
yes.
Why is a sex doll and AI-generated material illegal?
It's a gateway to the real thing.
Just like FPS video games
Edit: After reading the Florida law, an ai porn charge isnt just a subjective "ai", its specifically ai that depicts people under 12. With that in mind i wanted to note that this is more about the laws ive seen in the news that are completely subjective at the 18yo line where a random leo can claim a young adult is totally underage and charge that, which this is not.
I dont get AI and cartoons. Perverts having safe stroke material means they dont actually victimize people. We have a hundred years of proof, people getting gross magazines and not being pervs in real life and then on the internet we have like 30 or more years of proof.
Like, i get it, its all creepy af. Especially sex dolls. But id rather they violate a keyboard and doll in their own home than start stalking kids because they can't get their kicks elsewhere.
(There's that whole make a random photo into a sexual scene via ai thats especially messed up, too, but we have laws against 'revenge porn' and using people's likenesses that i would support making an extra "if its a child" law)
I feel like this is starting to look like the war on drugs. Agencies and law makers are pushing the line past people who are victimized and into any reason to justify their existence. Like age laws to access computers. "For the children". Just like the IRS getting notified every time you deposit $601 or the police getting to seize 'large sums of cash' you know...."to stop the drug cartels".
Sin is never satisfied. Their perversion and lust will only escalate. Its why pirn addicts always want more go deeper in the nasty stuff, or start to seek out escorts.
These pedos already have access to dark web CP and still they'll lure little kids away off Roblox. You think they were satisfied with real, actual CP? No, sin always wants more.
And also, what AI is generating this material? Needs to be shut down.
Edit: After reading the Florida law, an ai porn charge isnt just a subjective "ai", its specifically ai that depicts people under 12. With that in mind i wanted to note that this is more about the laws ive seen in the news that are completely subjective at the 18yo line where a random leo can claim a young adult is totally underage and charge that, which this is not.
First, actual cp or predatoring kids off of roblox is not the same thing as cartoons or ai.
Second, the "its a slippery slope to hell" is not true, that's the devil telling you to make his job easier.
People wake up every single day and decide to stop doing sinful things and strive to be better. You know what hard-stops them? We demonstrated it as a society for fifty years in the war on drugs: Throwing Marijuana smokers in prison exposed the casual users to real crime and embed them in it. Once they are there, they can't wake up one day and stop and toss their stash out because now they are part of a gang or even a cartel.
And the perverted thing is that, once we tossed them into the dark, the government and church pastors making bank all went "look - they dont have any light on them out where we tossed them. That means we did a good thing."
As long as there isnt a victim, whether thats via actual cp or grooming, I dont see why we'd drop someone into the dark and tell them they are worthless and irredeemable instead of creating the society that encourages people to leave the basement and come back to the daylight.
There's ALWAYS a victim.
Who is a victim in a cartoon or an AI that isnt of a person?
Themselves. We're not created for such.
We have a hundred years of evidence saying that the opposite is true on rape and other such things.
Themselves, the creators, the distributors, all their spouses, children, parents, family, friends, neighbors, employers, etc. No sin is personal, it affects everyone.
If sin is shared, then we are all cast upon gehenna. We must make a personal choice to follow Him and be saved. That means sin is not spread like a contagion, but is preserved each on our own souls.
This is why the Lord reserves vengeance and spiritual judgement for Himself.
We burn people to death under guise of our righteousness. We Hatfield and McCoy. He wants us to have a (lot of) chance to find Him.
Because imagine it the other way. A parent permanently stains their teen because he stole, even if the teen didn't know. Now the Lord is going to reject that teen and cast him out? You bought a shirt from China, and now you are cast out?
And that's just a brief consideration of mundane sins before we get to the world's "worse level" of sins.
You can find this supported over and over in His word, save for idolatry when Moses descended the mount. Ezekiel 18, Jeremiah 31, Deut 24, Matt 16, and John 5, amongst others.
Luke 12 even deals with ignorance directly - not knowing gets you lesser punishment.
As a Christian woman, I firmly disagree with giving these motherfuckers any concessions at all. The (evil) spirit of the matter is still fucking there. I don't want my daughter to be found in an AI porn video, because it is still fucking wrong. Please change your mind, this is sick.
I already called that out and specifically said I would support a law adding additional penalties for doing that with ai. So my mind is already where you want it to be.
And, in this case, I actually support the charges because I went and read the Florida law on ai porn and its targeted at depictions of children. A lot of the laws that have slipped pass other states just gives a subjective "if someone thinks the subject looks under 18" which is crazy because I know real life 25 year old men who look like they are 15.
Your argument, u/Ausernamegoeshere: "let's make fake child pornography to keep pedophiles happy. Anyone who says otherwise is of Satan. It's satanic to NOT make fake child porn"
Let me try your argumentative tactic, u/TheMAGAnificent : "Ignore everything Christ taught- He's not the way, and He didn't tell us to live lives in any particular way."
Tell me where Jesus says to allow pedophiles to make child pornography, whether it's real or fake?
I never said either of the things you claimed. But since you only have gotcha reasoning:
Tell me where Jesus said to always judge other's spiritual sins, to not try to help people to His way, or to turn your back on others?
Also, note my edit due to a response from others due to nuance you didnt care to understand: After reading the Florida law, an ai porn charge isnt just a subjective "ai", its specifically ai that depicts people under 12. With that in mind i wanted to note that this is more about the laws ive seen in the news that are completely subjective at the 18yo line where a random leo can claim a young adult is totally underage and charge that, which this is not.
(You're losing)
And us here, good patriots, and good Sheeple that don’t harm children all know, per God and Christ, those that hurt children have no future in Heaven PERIOD. So we are just obliging Christ our God in following what will be done regardless. Because no Earthly man nor woman can help any child predator. Set them free soaking wet in Antarctica, by gallows, or a cheap bullet, and help them to their final judgement. It’s that’s simple from my opinion; for premeditating upon, and choosing in sexually harming a child EVER.
And this forum is all about keeping Christ’s word, and all the world’s children free from predatory harm.
WWG1WGA
Except I am not supporting the harm of children.
This.
Recidivism for child sex crimes consistently rank the highest of all crimes.
Google lies. Social work studies (when they were worth anything) showed it as 60% in 1 year, as high as 98% in 5 years depending on state and rural vs. City.
Family members were often victims in longer studies. I need to see if i can find those again.
I had a family member in the field who got their doctorate on sociology and statistical studies. The data they collected would make your head spin.
It's a gateway to the real thing. Think!!
Because it was AI generated material of horrific sexual acts involving young children. Do you think that should be legal?
I'm as opposed to this type of thing existing as I can possibly be -- mentally and spiritually.
But 'real life' porn involves exploitation of individuals (kids, women). Whereas the AI stuff is generated. So how do you distinguish between 'that's an 18-year-old being depicted' and 'that's a 16-year-old' being depicted. Plus there are actually real life 10-year-olds who are as well developed as an adult woman.
What's obvious to one person isn't obvious to the next, unless you're dealing with images of infants, babies, little kids.
And obviously AI can make those super realistic, which is problematic.
But what about hand drawn stuff?
I think it's complicated at best.
I went and read the law, Florida ai law is for deep fakes of a person and ai depicting people under 12. So, I would say that this is a properly stringent statute and not like the others ive seen where the line is a subjective 'someone could believe this person is under 18'.
Should drawings be illegal? Because that’s all they are.
Drawings indicate intent- why do you think kids Drawings murder scenes are flagged in school?
They can be if they depict sexual abuse of 12 and under kids.
FYI its easy to tell who are parents on the forum based on answers when this type of thing comes up.
Anyone who is a parent knows the right answer to pedo questions like these.
All pedophiles should be put to death, but drawings and sex dolls aren’t children.
The censorship you cheer for today will be used against you sooner or later.
You are kidding right?
Not at all.
Because it feeds the mental illness- put a Crack ho in a room full of crack...
But this is putting a crack ho in a room full of fake crack. No actual crack is involved.
Crack head will STILL snort thr fake crack
He forgot to mention he was a transgender. I don't know that with certainty, just a wild guess.
I don't guess but you might be right.
All of the craziest stories start with...."Florida man..."
I have never knew this, but you are right.