Hello everyone, I wanted to start a large discussion in a separate thread about Islam, I see a lot of hateful words against Islam here,
I would like to start by saying a little about myself, I came America at a young age, my parent immigrated here in the 80s and we have renounced our home countries citizenship long ago, I love America and I am proud to say I am American, one of the best and most lovely things about it is Freedom.
I am a proud supporter of our President Trump since 2015. Though I am surrounded by a sea of people around me who call me crazy for that.
I think a lot of people are just uneducated hicks that demand sharia law here. They are here in America demanding from it, the fact that they are even able to do that shows the freedom on display. My thinking is that if they want this country to be like where they came from, then why the hell did they come here for?
We came here because we love America and the opportunities and safety of life offered here. I don’t want it to be like my home country ever. My religion is Islam though I expect a majority of you to be Christians here.
Anyways what do you guys think?
Islam is incompatible with the Constitution. America was founded as a Christian Nation. What would happen if I moved to an Islamic County and started preaching the Good Word and had a church constructed that rang bells? I would be lucky to get out of that country with my life.... See how this is going?
Many Islamic countries have Christian population that peacefully coexist.
The sole purpose in of Muslims moving to Christian Nations is to get a foothold to begin conquest of that Nation.
History shows muslims invade and take over. Plus the quran states to kill all ‘nonbelievers’. As well as other horrendous actions.
What to Expect: The Effect Of Muslim Population Growth on a Society
https://shoebat.com/2011/07/02/what-to-expect-the-effect-of-muslim-population-growth-on-a-society/
by Shoebat Foundation on July 2, 2011 in General by Michael Haltman, Homeland Security Examiner June 23, 2010 …original article… …click here for a related video from our media library…
What happens to society's as the Muslim population grows in percentage of the total?
In the book, Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat, written by Dr. Peter Hammond, he explores the topic of the impact that an increasing Muslim population has on that society. The lists below illustrate the Muslim population status of countries around the world, and exactly what changes to the societies can be expected according to Hammond.
The book as well as the author are controversial, but the topic is definitely something that needs to be explored and understood. From the book: As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in: United States — Muslim 0.6% Australia — Muslim 1.5% Canada — Muslim 1.9% China — Muslim 1.8% Italy — Muslim 1.5% Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in: Denmark — Muslim 2% Germany — Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7% Spain — Muslim 4% Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in: France — Muslim 8% Philippines — 5% Sweden — Muslim 5% Switzerland — Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5% Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in: Guyana — Muslim 10% India — Muslim 13.4% Israel — Muslim 16% Kenya — Muslim 10% Russia — Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in: Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8% At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in: Bosnia — Muslim 40% Chad — Muslim 53.1% Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in: Albania — Muslim 70% Malaysia — Muslim 60.4% Qatar — Muslim 77.5% Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some state-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in: Bangladesh — Muslim 83% Egypt — Muslim 90% Gaza — Muslim 98.7% Indonesia — Muslim 86.1% Iran — Muslim 98% Iraq — Muslim 97% Jordan — Muslim 92% Morocco — Muslim 98.7% Pakistan — Muslim 97% Palestine — Muslim 99% Syria — Muslim 90% Tajikistan — Muslim 90% Turkey — Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in: Afghanistan — Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100% Somalia — Muslim 100% Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons. Map courtesy of PBS. …original article… …click here for a related video from our media library…
That is not true for majority of us, majority of us just want to live peacefully and quietly. There are many uneducated people out there with loud mouths that make the quiet ones look bad. I don’t care in my day to day life who I am working with, Christian, Jew, Flat Earthers, as long as we are human to each other that is all that matters. I am not here to force the flat earther to believe the earth is round.
I'd like to say that there is a difference between individual people and the emergent properties of a large group such as a religion and what I mean by that is that it is often the radical voices that hold sway in the direction that the Ummah might go and the moderate voices get overruled. (I hope i'm using terms correctly)
This is a consequence of the clerical structure where Imams refer to scripture for their policy and cannot be questioned as to how they have interpreted it.
At least this it what I think can happen. This would result in a minority population with quite radical policies such as introducing Sharia courts in a certain area, even though the Muslims living there might not necessarily support that. They don't get a say.
For reference, I live in the UK.
It looks like the world is going through the "exposure" of the weaponisation of Islam. Regardless of the debate about the religion itself (whether it was a real religion, or a synthetic religion created by the Satanists), I know that tons of muslims dont even remember they are muslims for the most part and just live like normal people. I have grown up amongst such people. The girls would at best wear a head scarf but many of them wouldn't even do that.
The only annoyance I had with them was some of them would constantly keep spitting during Ramadan.
What we have now is weaponisation of this religion specifically to derail the world via mass immigration agenda. I see that around me as well. Suddenly everywhere I see its muslim schools, mosques, muslims wearing head to toe burquas, and the smell that awful smell when you stand behind someone in the burqua - I dont even know how to describe it.
None of this is natural. I have heard people say their friends who were muslims went to the gulf and when they came back they were suddenly radicalised. There is a very powerful force thats pushing radical Islam and making muslims think that they need to follow the literal words in the Quran and be in a constant state of war.
As always, you can bet that the British Banksters are behind all this, and its their typical technique to use religion to divide and conquer.
This is what I see next:
Goal of the Cabal - to push the radicalised islam on all countries to cause a huge civil war in every country, leading to mass deaths of muslims which will then we used to victimise them, like the Jews after Hitler. They are also pursuing the same goal with the Jews as well.
Goal of the WHs - to allow the people to figure out for themselves how the weaponisation of both these religions work, and why open borders and diversity agenda are dangerous for sovereignty. (Responsible immigration is okay but not as part of diversity agenda).
Realistic scenario - You can see a lot of hatred towards both muslims and the jews for a while now. You will also see a lot of muslims and jews sick and tired of this divisionism from their own people and who end up converting to Christianity.
I dont think the extreme civil war type of scenario will break out, but there will be pockets of unrest and violence against muslims and jews, but as Trump's operations finish up befoer midterms for the full disclosure, everything with "click into place" in people's mind, and this weaponisation will be ended for once and for all.
I hate how our religion is used like a weapon, I don’t want us to stand out I don’t want us to be an inconvenience on anyone else, I hate so called Muslims specially with large amount of followers talking about subjugating the existing rules of the land, I think those are plants, specifically put in to divide and conquer us.
For what its worth, the entire humanity has been used as weapons.
American deep state government has use American tax payer money to topple governments all over the world, and destroy coutries.
Israeli Zionists have used their ideology to turn Jews into constantly fighting their neighbours and doing irrational things for their messianic return.
People with mental issues have been turned into weapons by the LGBT ideology.
Youngsters have been brainwashed into believe "boomers" are the problem and many of them dont even talk to their own parents.
Women have been weaponised by feminism, and men have been weaponised by transgenderism.
Marriage has been weaponised via divorce courts, DV laws etc.
Every segment of the population that listens to the mainstream has been weaponised in one way or another.
But I think Muslims have been weaponised much harder than most, and thats why some people say the first victims of Islamists are the muslims. Infact this might lead to a lot of muslims to denounce their religion (happening even in Iran even now)
The only way to defeat all this is to first understand this is happening and refuse to hate anyone, but focus that hatredness on the Satanists who are doing all this so subtly while most people cant even see them.
You are right about so many things, I agree with you.
Since your religion is Islam, can you tell us if the bad things we hear about Islam is true? Specifically the treatment of women, and their strict adherence to the wearing of hijab or a burqa, and punishment if they do not?
It’s not true, a burqa that full black clothing article is not required. There are hardcore conservatives that force them on like the taliban in Afghanistan. Islam just teaches to dress modestly not showing off.
But having sex with 9 year old and having four wives is and marrying close relatives is and giving the dimensions of the rod to beat your wife is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive_islam/s/InYibcfem8
Here is a helpful link that is very informative about sharia law, which is just basically there is no such thing.
I recommend the community and its wiki as it puts many things into perspective vs what we usually see, which is rather extreme.
Kind of like monkeys in a cage being viewed by humans.
I would like to point out that during this month of Ramadan we fast for 30 days, there are many viral videos about Muslims demanding food be not eaten to a non Muslim and Muslims supposedly going crazy because someone is eating during Ramadan, I find that crazy and I think it’s either staged or maybe the IQ level is room temperature, there is no way a normal person reacts like that, at work we were having a BBQ burgers and sandwiches and I politely decline and just stand by the grill warming my hands watching people prepare their food and talking about the day with them. The sight or smell of food does not make a person who is fasting crazy or loose their minds. That is inappropriate behavior and that person should be arrested for harassment.
You may want to look up Westboro Baptist Church, a particularly hateful sect of Christians. An important part of their history is how most Christians openly called them out for being hateful.
As far as I'm aware, Muslims have no such channel to criticize extremists within their ranks, and for that reason the violent radicals tend to thrive. This could be said for Jews as well, although radical Jewry has not recently made open calls to destroy the US or its culture. Both infiltrations are problematic to our society, but radical Muslims openly call for violence with regularity, and without an institutionalized way to police that within the religion, it is guaranteed to spark conflict, regardless of the proportion of nonviolent and nonconfrontational adherents.
This is very insightful, thank you, you are right we have no such channel like that.
Another thing you may want to look at is the Mormon religion and the admission of Utah as a state. Basically the Mormon church allowed and promoted polygamy, and the United States didn't accept them as a state until after the church leaders changed church doctrine to prohibit polygamy. There was potential for an actual war if that situation had not been resolved.
Of course there's a lot more to it than that, but it's an example of the compatibility and incompatibility of different doctrines. The US today is very different from the US of those years, but I believe all states have laws against bigamy (being married to more than one person at one time).
I think it’s fine to be Muslim as long as one understands, just like the Bible, man/scribes/Clerics/Councils edited both the Koran and Bible somewhat away from their original scripture to what the Kings/Leaders of the time needed out of it to fit subject loyalty and agendas.
And on that note, people need to have a decent understanding of the facts I stated above, and their discernment of what was meant overall in its true form. And God himself gave us humans the gift of “free will”, to chose to avoid the violent parts of the Bible or Koran, since only God himself gets FINAL Judgement of our actions, behavior, and soul.
Christ made it very clear the difference between Old and New Testament directions from Him/God on how to live life. And Christ and even Enlightened non-violent Mohammad teachings are the end “behaviors” God hopes we ourselves choose if we want to live with him forever here on a peaceful Earth/New Jerusalem or in Heaven; if either/both is where our saved souls end up.
All we have to do is choose to just be good people, have faith, know what Christ/God expects out of us responsibly, and live and pass on that way. Because if you think about it, immortality with God is an awfully big responsibility. He does not want us to screw that gift up.
I don’t want to shock you, especially since you were born into it and love America. Islam followers are actually worshipping Satan. Satan goes by many names: Ba’al, Moloch, Allah, etc.
Start your path by following the teachings of Jesus. That creates a good society. One day you may get the revelation and accept Jesus as your savior. Not pushing you, just helping you find the path.
I made this post the other day. You may find it of interest:
https://greatawakening.win/p/1ASGIxqyEC/contrast-is-the-mother-of-clarit/
I appreciate you sharing your background and your love for this country—that’s something we can absolutely agree on. Freedom is a gift, and it’s something worth protecting.
I’m a Christian, and my perspective is shaped by that, but I also believe that real conversations—especially across faiths—should be grounded in respect, not frustration or labels. When we start calling people names or assuming the worst about groups, it tends to shut down the very freedom we’re both talking about.
I’m open to having a thoughtful discussion with you. I think it would be more meaningful if we focused on understanding each other’s beliefs and values rather than reacting to the extremes we see around us.
So if you’re up for that kind of conversation, I am too.
Just say no to pedophilic prophets.
There are 59 Muslim-majority countries in the world. None of them take migrants. Why is that? Islamic migration is a tool referred to as civilization jihad. Once Muslims comprise 5-10% of a target country's population, they begin agitating for Islamification of their new home.
Islam directly contradicts the core tenets of Christianity. It asserts Jesus was not divine, was not the Son of God. Islam further refutes that Jesus was crucified; claims "Allah substituted someone else and made it appear to be Jesus. And since Jesus was never crucified, he could not have risen. So contesting the death and resurrection neuters any salvation through Christ.
If you've never read the Quran, download a copy. It is gibberish. It has no coherent flow or story line. It focuses mainly on submission to Allah. The topic most commonly discussed is what Muslims are permitted to do to non-Muslims. That list includes kill, torture, rape, suppress them as second class citizens, deny them employment, do not patronize their shops or businesses, and levy the Jizya - the tax for being non-Muslim. The jizya is a punitive tax assessed on the total number of non-Muslims in a conquered society. If there were 1000 non-Muslims and the tax was $600 per, the total tax would be $600,000 per year. As the non-Muslims die or convert or escape, the total amount due does not change. In the edge case where 999 converted to Islam and only one non-Muslim was left, he would owe the entire $600,000
Remember that owning a bible in a Muslim country is a capital offense. Muslims are not allowed to be informed of any other religion. They are kept captive through ignorance and constant bashing of other religions by their religious leaders.
Hi fren,
thank you for coming and talking to us here.
It must take guts to do so.
Maybe so, maybe no.
I see it as sounding out "the other" on their views on tolerating islam. It's the usual tactic... "Hi we're just nice people trying to get along with everyone" then the next thing you know they are trying to convert you, in a very nice way of course. Once there is enough traction, things start to change. We've seen it over and over again. Always remember taqiyya.
So no, zero tolerance for islam until hundreds of years off actions show otherwise.
Also see: https://greatawakening.win/p/1ASYysjOWU/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-th/
You still adhere to a religion that allows beating your wife and honor killing? Sharia law IS Islam. Christians in Muslim countries don't live in freedom and as we have seen over the last few decades, their lives are the first to be taken if there's a change in leadership.
I encourage you to study Islam using a non Islamic source. Forced habit is not belief. By their fruits you shall know them.
It seems the original poster deleted the comment, but I would like to point out they stated: You will never be an American.
That hurts
If you came here and went through all of the steps to gain your citizenship, then you ARE an American. Sorry for the other comment. That was not fair.
The moderators removed the comment.
We don't tolerate anons abusing other anons.
We have your back fren.