Israel=Deep State? Or, like the Promethean ladies say, Israel is doing the bidding of the City of London? They cannot have peace in the middle east so every time Trump gets near a settlement, the Israeli government is gonna toss a wrench into the works.
Where did the nation state of Israel even come from, that WE should defend it?
HINT: ~The Balfour Declaration was a statement issued by the British government on November 2, 1917, expressing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine. This declaration was part of Britain's strategy during World War I to gain support from Jewish communities and was later included in the British mandate over Palestine.~
Let the Brits defend Israel, not us.
Say a set of German descendants of Bohemia were granted territory from which they were exiled. Not a thousand or more years ago, but in recent memory. Danzig, East Prussia, etc.
Russia offered a land for a Jewish refuge later in 1934. But Britain promised them, the "promised land" all over again, with no genealogical claims but merely claims of being "Jewish" no matter how secular.
The Brits wrested out of Palestine geography a completely new nation state! Because they were granted the mandate over that territory during WW I??
Despite the supposed ceasefire, Israel, as well as other countries, continued to get attacked with drones and missiles. Hezbollah also joined in lobbing missiles into Israel from So Lebanon last night. So, if that was the US getting hit, would we hit back? Besides, as you said, Lebanon was not part of the agreement that the US made with Iran. In fact, that whole ceasefire agreement has been a sh*t show brokered by Pakistan at the behest of China. Turkey and Egypt were also involved. There were 3 Iranian groups all negotiating at the same time, all of them having different lists of demands, and none of them talking to each other. Who knows what was actually passed on to the US that Trump thought he was agreeing to. None of them match. The points still have to be negotiated. The only thing that was agreed to was the ceasefire itself regarding US and Israel strikes on Iran and for talks to continue. Israel has since thrown it in the trash because they continue to be hit. For them and the Gulf countries, there has been no ceasefire. Which probably shows that whatever Iranian leadership decides, can they control what is happening out in the field?
The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing in Iran. Who is really in charge? I heard that the different groups at the top are calling each other out and some are being hunted down for negotiating with the Americans. The leadership is fractured. Has Trump done this deliberately to make them turn on each other? If he did, it's working.
The problem is that none of them agree and they are all jockeying for control and fighting over what's left. Then there is the command and control problem of operators in the field. It seems they are most likely acting on their own, regardless of what Tehran says. I have seen videos where some of the Iranian hardliners and their faithful followers, mostly families of IRGC and Basij, are vowing to kill the traitors for negotiating with the Americans. Who knows what negotiations were taking place in Pakistan or who was actually there. There were no direct talks. Sounds like Pakistan at the behest of China, who's economy is currently imploding, were trying to cobble some kind of a deal together to get the Strait open and it backfired.
Just come across this on another post. Thought you might be interested. Exactly what we thought. While everyone else is losing their minds and having a meltdown.
Rod Marin X
Second, Trump said Hezbollah in Lebanon would be "taken care of, it's ok" in his April 8 interview.
Third, Trump said he was going to kill all of Hezbollah if they didn't return the 251 hostages. They were already in Trump's mind for complete annihilation.
Fourth, they're Shiite muslims terrorists that were bombed. Who cares? (Literally, raise your hand if you're crying over Shiite muslim terrorists getting bombed).
Fifth, make the case that a cabal asset in Lebanon should be off-limits to enforce an extremely tentative cease-fire.
Sixth, make the case that Trump even wants a ceasefire at this moment. It keeps the pressure on NATO allies if there isn't one.
Seventh, ACTUALLY LOOK at the meme above. The US has Israel on a leash, and Israel is threatening the cease fire. Is Trump using Israel to do things in the middle east he couldn't directly do?
Could Trump bomb Lebanon right now? Probably not, right? I mean he could, but it would be optically bad, seen as an escalation when Trump is currently trying to downplay the war and make it seem practically over.
What are the odds that Trump is using Israel to attack Hezbollah in Lebanon? Maybe that's why Trump is saving Israel for last, because they are a tool Q will use to take down the cabal in middle eastern countries prior to cutting Israel off in the end.
It sounds like Israel has already resumed air strikes in Iran according to some of the videos coming out of Iran. The Iranians didn't exactly stop hitting Israel with missiles armed with cluster munitions along with drones. This also includes many Gulf states that continue to be attacked. They never saw a ceasefire. In fact, the attacks increased. So much for a ceasefire. Iran never stopped while the US did.
One of Trump’s stated objectives for Epic Fury is to sever or destroy support for terrorist proxies (e.g., degrading networks like Hezbollah, Houthis, and others). The goal was to stop Iran from arming, funding, and directing proxy groups that destabilize the region.
There may have been some confusion between Pakistan, Iran, and the US the last couple of days on this issue but Trump has been clear on it. If Iran wants to scrap the ceasefire, fine.
If Trump's goal was to further fracture Iranian leadership and flush them out of their holes, it worked. We have probably been monitoring where they have been hiding for more targeted strikes later. From what I am hearing coming out of Iran, its chaotic. The leadership are turning on each other and some are being hunted down for negotiating. Most of those hardliners would rather see it all burn to the ground rather than capitulate. They are zealots for the cause. You can't negotiate with zealots.
Israel=Deep State? Or, like the Promethean ladies say, Israel is doing the bidding of the City of London? They cannot have peace in the middle east so every time Trump gets near a settlement, the Israeli government is gonna toss a wrench into the works.
So let Israel "defend" itself without the US.
Where did the nation state of Israel even come from, that WE should defend it?
HINT: ~The Balfour Declaration was a statement issued by the British government on November 2, 1917, expressing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine. This declaration was part of Britain's strategy during World War I to gain support from Jewish communities and was later included in the British mandate over Palestine.~
Let the Brits defend Israel, not us.
Say a set of German descendants of Bohemia were granted territory from which they were exiled. Not a thousand or more years ago, but in recent memory. Danzig, East Prussia, etc.
Russia offered a land for a Jewish refuge later in 1934. But Britain promised them, the "promised land" all over again, with no genealogical claims but merely claims of being "Jewish" no matter how secular.
The Brits wrested out of Palestine geography a completely new nation state! Because they were granted the mandate over that territory during WW I??
And now we are responsible for it?!? NO.
A ringy ding, ding, ding, dong.
Who created/financed the state of Israel?
Who created/financed the Muslim brotherhood?
Who financed the Iranian regime made up of mostly MB?
Who washed all the Iranian black market/dirty money?
Right...
u/#catdance
But Lebanon was not in the cease-fire agreement?
Israel is a loose cannon. Time to be put to heel.
Despite the supposed ceasefire, Israel, as well as other countries, continued to get attacked with drones and missiles. Hezbollah also joined in lobbing missiles into Israel from So Lebanon last night. So, if that was the US getting hit, would we hit back? Besides, as you said, Lebanon was not part of the agreement that the US made with Iran. In fact, that whole ceasefire agreement has been a sh*t show brokered by Pakistan at the behest of China. Turkey and Egypt were also involved. There were 3 Iranian groups all negotiating at the same time, all of them having different lists of demands, and none of them talking to each other. Who knows what was actually passed on to the US that Trump thought he was agreeing to. None of them match. The points still have to be negotiated. The only thing that was agreed to was the ceasefire itself regarding US and Israel strikes on Iran and for talks to continue. Israel has since thrown it in the trash because they continue to be hit. For them and the Gulf countries, there has been no ceasefire. Which probably shows that whatever Iranian leadership decides, can they control what is happening out in the field?
The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing in Iran. Who is really in charge? I heard that the different groups at the top are calling each other out and some are being hunted down for negotiating with the Americans. The leadership is fractured. Has Trump done this deliberately to make them turn on each other? If he did, it's working.
"Has Trump done this deliberately to make them turn on each other? If he did, it's working."
I think so. I believe he knows who he negotiating with (probably more than one of those who want so "speak" for Iran.
The problem is that none of them agree and they are all jockeying for control and fighting over what's left. Then there is the command and control problem of operators in the field. It seems they are most likely acting on their own, regardless of what Tehran says. I have seen videos where some of the Iranian hardliners and their faithful followers, mostly families of IRGC and Basij, are vowing to kill the traitors for negotiating with the Americans. Who knows what negotiations were taking place in Pakistan or who was actually there. There were no direct talks. Sounds like Pakistan at the behest of China, who's economy is currently imploding, were trying to cobble some kind of a deal together to get the Strait open and it backfired.
yes the command-less forces are acting on their own
I do believe there are viable negotiations going on, maybe with more than one competing parties.
Just come across this on another post. Thought you might be interested. Exactly what we thought. While everyone else is losing their minds and having a meltdown. Rod Marin X
Time to start shooting down their jets. Or let the Iranian missiles pass that are aimed at Isreal.
Friendly fire....Oops!
Remember the USS Cole...
Would love to see the US resolve Iran/Hormuz and pull out of the mid east and let Israel fend for itself
First, Lebanon was not part of the ceasefire.
Second, Trump said Hezbollah in Lebanon would be "taken care of, it's ok" in his April 8 interview.
Third, Trump said he was going to kill all of Hezbollah if they didn't return the 251 hostages. They were already in Trump's mind for complete annihilation.
Fourth, they're Shiite muslims terrorists that were bombed. Who cares? (Literally, raise your hand if you're crying over Shiite muslim terrorists getting bombed).
Fifth, make the case that a cabal asset in Lebanon should be off-limits to enforce an extremely tentative cease-fire.
Sixth, make the case that Trump even wants a ceasefire at this moment. It keeps the pressure on NATO allies if there isn't one.
Seventh, ACTUALLY LOOK at the meme above. The US has Israel on a leash, and Israel is threatening the cease fire. Is Trump using Israel to do things in the middle east he couldn't directly do?
Could Trump bomb Lebanon right now? Probably not, right? I mean he could, but it would be optically bad, seen as an escalation when Trump is currently trying to downplay the war and make it seem practically over.
What are the odds that Trump is using Israel to attack Hezbollah in Lebanon? Maybe that's why Trump is saving Israel for last, because they are a tool Q will use to take down the cabal in middle eastern countries prior to cutting Israel off in the end.
Lebanon was not included in the cease fire.
Source: VP Vance
Just saw this on X a couple of minutes ago. "Breaking: Israel may strike Iran tonight."
▪︎ Israeli media
It sounds like Israel has already resumed air strikes in Iran according to some of the videos coming out of Iran. The Iranians didn't exactly stop hitting Israel with missiles armed with cluster munitions along with drones. This also includes many Gulf states that continue to be attacked. They never saw a ceasefire. In fact, the attacks increased. So much for a ceasefire. Iran never stopped while the US did.
How to deal with the most untrustworthy back stabbing assassins? Do Unto Others As They Do Unto You.
Per grok,
There may have been some confusion between Pakistan, Iran, and the US the last couple of days on this issue but Trump has been clear on it. If Iran wants to scrap the ceasefire, fine.
If Trump's goal was to further fracture Iranian leadership and flush them out of their holes, it worked. We have probably been monitoring where they have been hiding for more targeted strikes later. From what I am hearing coming out of Iran, its chaotic. The leadership are turning on each other and some are being hunted down for negotiating. Most of those hardliners would rather see it all burn to the ground rather than capitulate. They are zealots for the cause. You can't negotiate with zealots.
You got the USA and Israel mixed up there