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How to secure peace in Europe? The USA should give up Ukraine, Finland, and Baltic states to Russia, pull all US troops from Europe and close all the military bases protecting Europe. (media.scored.co)
posted 38 days ago by Chukna 38 days ago by Chukna +54 / -0
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– Rando_47 5 points 38 days ago +5 / -0

Europe has been the antagonizers on their own continent with the constant propaganda about Russia and pushing to expand NATO ahead of a desired World War III (open at least). Their governments get no sympathy from me, but their people are just as much victims of the deep state as anyone else in the world.

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– Wellifthisaintdandy 1 point 38 days ago +1 / -0

I agree, no sympathy at all.

They essentially believed their own BS.

But to be fair, Europeans - which is a hold-all term for a rat's nest of ancient tribes, have been at war with each other since the fall of the Roman empire.

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– Retaining_H2O 5 points 38 days ago +5 / -0

The European Union’s population is more than three times larger than Russia’s population. The EU has a population of about 451 Million, compared to Russia which has 145 Million people.

Russia’s population is aging, with a median age of nearly 41 years. Their birth rates have been declining steadily for the past 12 years. Russia is having to deal with the costs of a high percentage of elderly population while their workforce is shrinking.

The European Union’s economy is more than seven times larger than Russia’s economy. The EU's GDP has an economic output of roughly $19 trillion. In comparison, Russia’s GDP is about $2.65 trillion.

I don't think giving any portion of Europe to Russia is going to work, nor is it our problem.

I think this is an A & B issue between Russia and the EU to resolve. The U.S. can C our way out of it.

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– deleted 3 points 38 days ago +3 / -0
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– Confabulation 2 points 38 days ago +2 / -0

That post inspired me to do some research.

The vast majority of people moving to Russia are labor migrants, refugees, and students from former Soviet republics like Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgyzstan. 

15% of the Russian population is Muslim.

While a $4.50 cup of coffee in the US costs about 250 RUB in Russia, the PPP on everyday items indicates that a US consumer needs to spend $1.50 to make a purchase in Russia that costs an American only $1.00 at home.

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– deleted 1 point 37 days ago +1 / -0
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– Confabulation 1 point 37 days ago +1 / -0

Glad you got out, and hopefully your family does too, eventually.

That's great they have a thing that's good. Esoecially if they live in Moscow where the utilities are dependable. Sucks that in many other parts of the country the Soviet Era infrastructure .akes for spotty heating in the winter, sometimes. That would suck if it were expensive on top of that. The ~60% of citizens that receive some form of welfare definately benefit from cheap utilities.

Also, just fyi when someone tells you something about their experience, that is secondhand information.

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– Wellifthisaintdandy 1 point 38 days ago +1 / -0

OK, but each nation within that EU bubble has their own ambitions of supremacy - and that includes developing their 'own' weapons-system which is difficult to integrate with the others... so Von der Lying's ambitions of achieving a unified 'EU army' are doomed from inception.

Talking about the 'EU economy' is a figment of the imagination. Each country still has their own economy, and EU rules only complicate things. Yeah, they pay to be part of the EU, and yeah they sometimes get some of that payment back as a 'grant'. But I just see that as fiddling while Rome burns, TBH. And as an example, Greece got the skinny end of that lollipop, or look at how the EU interferes with Hungary, Romania, Slovakia polittics etc. (Democracy in action, really?)/

In terms of Russian birth-rates: it is a criticism to be levelled at any 'developed' nation. The only countries in the world that have positive birth-rates are African. So not fair pointing to Russia as having 'that problem' sounds a wee bit like propaganda - it's true, but it is just as true for any English-speaking nation, and China, and Japan, even India and anyone else, really (except for Africans).

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– Confabulation 2 points 38 days ago +2 / -0

"..ambitions of achieving a unified 'EU army' are doomed from inception".

"Talking about the 'EU economy' is a figment of the imagination".

Then, following this logic you could say that NATO is a figment of the imagination too. Which, problem solved!

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– PsylentFox 1 point 38 days ago +1 / -0

All of this is irrelevant if they replace their white fighting men with muslims and africans who won’t fight for them. And the white christian men won’t fight for a regime that actively hates them.

Europe has absolutely nothing. If Russia invaded it would be a liberation of the West and an end to communism in Europe. Ironic.

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– Confabulation 2 points 38 days ago +2 / -0

The vast majority of people moving to Russia are labor migrants, refugees, and students from former Soviet republics like Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgyzstan. 

15% of the Russian population is Muslim.

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– Strelnieks 3 points 38 days ago +3 / -0

Give up to Russia? What makes you think Russia wants to repeat past mistakes? Let's be real here, no one wants the Baltic States. The cons outweigh the pros significantly.

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– Chukna [S] 1 point 38 days ago +1 / -0

Maybe the people are problem and that is very easy problem to solve but Russia do need Baltics for defense. The North European Plain is a massive, unbroken expanse of flat land that stretches from the French coast all the way to the Ural Mountains without any natural defenses.

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– Strelnieks 3 points 38 days ago +3 / -0

People are an easy problem to solve....

History proves this is not only a futile sentiment, but also an inhumane ideology.

It's one thing to berate the problems with NATO, the EU, and even the individual countries within. It's another thing entirely to simp for Russia with delusions of grandeur that neither the Tsars nor the Soviets (or the "Holy" Roman Empire for that matter...) could achieve ultimately without negative recourse.

Whether it was the partisans of the last century or the Semigallians of old. No occupying force has been able to conquer the Baltic Coast without immense difficulty and stubbornness from the native populations.


Let the Balts have their birch trees and beets. There's nothing much else for export other than headaches for any occupier.

Kurši attitude is not so different than stereotypical American patriotism. Hard force to break and at what cumulative costs?

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– Hing 4 points 38 days ago +4 / -0

No occupying force has been able to conquer the Baltic Coast without immense difficulty and stubbornness from the native populations.

I'm in Estonia. Our ancestors were savages who raided the vikings. In 967, we kidnapped a Norwegian queen and prince and held them for ransom. Danish church prayers had verses in them asking God to protect Denmark from Estonians. Crusaders wrote in their chronicles that these were dark, sunless lands where devils lived in the woods. In the 1343 Jüriöö uprising, nearly every German man, woman and child in the western half of the country was systematically murdered by the natives and that glorious day is still celebrated today. Romans reached these lands but didn't dare to settle here because they thought the edge of the world was near.

Millennia of turmoil, countless wars and uprisings and here we are, living free. This Russian expat in Finland wants to be an armchair general for some fantasy conquest? Try it, see what happens.

Let the Balts have their birch trees and beets.

In addition to birches and beets, Estonia has Europe's largest phosphorus deposits and the world's largest easily accessible oil shale deposits.

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– Strelnieks 2 points 38 days ago +2 / -0

Exactly my point fren. No one is "taking" nor presumptuous "deservedly" the Baltic region. This is proven many times over the past 1,500 years.

This Russian expat in Finland wants to be an armchair general...

Thank you for calling attention to this matter. You are not the only one who recognizes the posting patterns. It's one thing to criticize NATO & EU policy while realizing geopolitics, the corruption, and Russian point of view as well as involvement. It's another to suggest oppressing a historically defiantly patriotic people because <insert BS Commie muh Russian rights> underlying narrative here.

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– BurnNewHistoryBooks 1 point 37 days ago +1 / -0

Here we go again, veiled threats of genocide again. Dream on comrade, the Finns kicked commie ass before, what makes you think they can’t do it again?

How is the two month special operation going?

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– TaQo 3 points 38 days ago +3 / -0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

u/#pepedetective

Operation Gladio was the codename for clandestine "stay-behind" operations of armed resistance that were organized by the Western Union (WU; founded in 1948), and subsequently by NATO (formed in 1949), and by the CIA (established in 1947)

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– russiah 2 points 38 days ago +2 / -0

Europe can achieve peace after becoming Africa 👍🏿👌🏿

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– Wellifthisaintdandy 2 points 38 days ago +2 / -0

Unfotunately, you are right, even in irony.

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– TaQo 2 points 38 days ago +2 / -0

More like 👉🏿👌🏿

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– Greekish 2 points 38 days ago +2 / -0

While I agree with the sentiment, closing Souda base on our island would mean the loss of jobs for a lot of innocent Greek people and unemployment is already high. Just for context.

Edit: oh, my Pepe is back. Thanks, mods!

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– Confabulation 2 points 38 days ago +2 / -0

Trump doesn't want to do that or he would. And he has his reasons because he has way more intel than us. That is why he is the boss. Trust The Plan. Do not trust yours.

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– deleted 1 point 38 days ago +1 / -0

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