I live here. THE PEOPLE of Utah don't want this. Our governor is trying to ram it into existence with very little input. 40,000 acres and a million unknowns.
Where did he get this IP/Username data? He'd need to gather usernames and IP addresses from somewhere and I'm pretty sure that takes a subpoena. Either that, his buddies at the CIA abusing FISA warrants, or he's pulling the data straight out of his rear end.
It turns out that there are two main issues: Low initial investment vs high upkeep or higher initial investments and lower upkeep.
It is interesting to consider that the latter may carry other concerns, but it definitively evades the use of high water demand, thus impacting prices. Given the investment regimen in the USA today, higher initial investments may proof much more interesting. The low investment high upkeep is the lazy way and mimics the norms from 20 -35 years ago.
Of course we can do better.
In terms of circular i.e. waste management, heat is in these design models treated as a waste product. However, it could be spliced back into the economy in different ways, like providing heating for greenhouse agriculture, district heating, or even 20% electricity recovery.
And, there is no need to use fluor. There are alternatives.
The problem I see, is the same we saw in the 2000 when building data centers was done as a rush job. Bad idea.
But, a plan looking at a build out over time, adding components that actually turn to social return on investment, is not a bad idea.
So, yes, there are concerns. But these can very well be addressed by well in advanced engineered DC's with an open mind to SROI.But then again, you do not need H1B1's or DEI hires.. You need engineers of merit.
They are tracking everything they can find out about us now, do we really need to give the tech arm of WEF a million times their current compute abilities?
They need to pay the full taxes and provide their own power plants and cool them without massive amounts of free water,and build the damn things,out passed the pig farms.
Exposing Foreign Powers Funding Misinformation about data centers
Kevin O'Leary, who looks a lot like Pinnochio
There's no right to free speech around "Misinformation" and hate speech, and especially around Our Democracy
Tim Walz, failed Communist VP Candidate
Why can't they just put their Data Centers next to the ocean? Near Unlimited cooling via underwater heat exchanger. Only reason to not do this is (They)'re trying to kill off the Cattle.
Land is more expensive near any coastline, but you also don't want a huge power draw on a tightly-contested area of land. Better to spread it out.
Underwater heat exchangers get fouled by marine growth over time. Have fun with the environmental objections.
Water is not necessary as an ultimate coolant. There is such a thing as industrial scale refrigeration. We can keep warehouses of material at freezing temperature without using external water. Computer centers used to do their cooling with air conditioning. It only takes power, and this is where they may be trying to do it on the cheap.
I live here. THE PEOPLE of Utah don't want this. Our governor is trying to ram it into existence with very little input. 40,000 acres and a million unknowns.
Exactly.
Where did he get this IP/Username data? He'd need to gather usernames and IP addresses from somewhere and I'm pretty sure that takes a subpoena. Either that, his buddies at the CIA abusing FISA warrants, or he's pulling the data straight out of his rear end.
I believe, yes, out of their respective rears.
it's fucking bullshit that's where.
In terms of data centers: read the analysis in the file:
https://storage.to/IYI1KgUKl
It turns out that there are two main issues: Low initial investment vs high upkeep or higher initial investments and lower upkeep.
It is interesting to consider that the latter may carry other concerns, but it definitively evades the use of high water demand, thus impacting prices. Given the investment regimen in the USA today, higher initial investments may proof much more interesting. The low investment high upkeep is the lazy way and mimics the norms from 20 -35 years ago.
Of course we can do better.
In terms of circular i.e. waste management, heat is in these design models treated as a waste product. However, it could be spliced back into the economy in different ways, like providing heating for greenhouse agriculture, district heating, or even 20% electricity recovery.
And, there is no need to use fluor. There are alternatives.
The problem I see, is the same we saw in the 2000 when building data centers was done as a rush job. Bad idea.
But, a plan looking at a build out over time, adding components that actually turn to social return on investment, is not a bad idea.
So, yes, there are concerns. But these can very well be addressed by well in advanced engineered DC's with an open mind to SROI.But then again, you do not need H1B1's or DEI hires.. You need engineers of merit.
So many great points/observations.
They are tracking everything they can find out about us now, do we really need to give the tech arm of WEF a million times their current compute abilities?
Not a fan of the coming technocracy...
Me neither.
A Q post would be nice. This isn't the plan I signed up for
Are people on this board for these data centers?
I posted something about the data centers and it was honestly a mixed bag.
My impression, from language usage in replies, I'd say the younger ones are skewing in favor of the data centers.
They need to pay the full taxes and provide their own power plants and cool them without massive amounts of free water,and build the damn things,out passed the pig farms.
He has a strange profile picture on his X account
I thought it was weird too.
My kinda guy: "Just the facts, ma'am."
We’ve got our hands in everything
Shocking! Foreign powers funding misinformation!
Why can't they just put their Data Centers next to the ocean? Near Unlimited cooling via underwater heat exchanger. Only reason to not do this is (They)'re trying to kill off the Cattle.
Land is more expensive near any coastline, but you also don't want a huge power draw on a tightly-contested area of land. Better to spread it out.
Underwater heat exchangers get fouled by marine growth over time. Have fun with the environmental objections.
Water is not necessary as an ultimate coolant. There is such a thing as industrial scale refrigeration. We can keep warehouses of material at freezing temperature without using external water. Computer centers used to do their cooling with air conditioning. It only takes power, and this is where they may be trying to do it on the cheap.