The Catholic Church was subverted and infiltrated. Look up Gregory Baum for an example.
This is why there is some infighting about Vatican 2. Currently the SSPX (the order of St Pius X) a traditional Latin mass group is facing excommunication. They are named after Pope Pius X who wrote Pascendi Dominici Gregis. Which was basically a letter about how modernists (like Leo and Francis) and religious relativism would destroy the church. Even if you are Protestant it’s a good read cause you can apply it to liberal theology destroying the faith in general.
So while the SSPX and other traditional Latin Mass groups get attacked by the Vatican, German Bishops allowed female deacons and nothing happens to them.
I know. The Protestant Reformation was more political than Theological and Martin Luther had regrets about it and wrote “Jews and their lies” after they deceived him about biblical canon.
Luther had legitimate criticisms but it went too far. Also he was actually fine with indulgences just not how they were used.
Nothing like selling chit you don't actually have... the ultimate grift...
As a Catholic altar boy - the bishop said he'd give me 10 days indulgence if I took his briefcase out to his car...all of about 9 I knew the entire thing was bullshit.
You have been deceived, that the Catholic Church is the one true church. Believers do not hate Roman Catholics, just hate the unbiblical doctrines of Grace+ works and other non scriptural things like popes. Jesus said to him. "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". John 14:6. Jesus does not say a pope, is the way to eternal life.
I'm no fan of the pope, no one i know thinks the pope is the way to eternal life but Catholism is the one faith with direct continuity with Jesus Christ.
The above comment has been my average experience as someone who is converting. I don’t think most Protestants understand the Catholic Church at all. I hear blatant lies about it at worst and at best understandings.
He says “unbiblical” but the Catholic Church put together the canon of the Bible at the council of Rome in 382 and affirmed it at Hippo in 393 and Carthage in 397. So the people who put the Bible together don’t understand it? And the ironic part about it is that James 2:26 literally says Faith without works is dead. It’s why Luther wanted to pull the book out.
I get told I don’t read the Bible yet I can defend the sacraments with scripture and there is no scripture for Sola Scriptura.
I don’t mind respectful debate and conversations but the blatant lies are frustrating.
Honestly as a catholic I see how they grew out of the spirit of the age, and though they did damage to the church they did express a certain Anglo rebellion to the middle eastern values that came from the bible and Catholicism in general, which if you remember was started in Rome which is basically a Mediterranean territory. So the latent Anglo rebellion to the catholic proscribed rules that cut across their genetic wisdom was an important point of inflection. Though its time for a rejoining of the church to European heritage values and some kind of synthesis if things are going to improve as we hope
They are priests that are modernists and they are bad for our Catholic Church. Hopefully God has mercy on us and gives us what we need to be able to get rid of whatever the demons are planning.
The SSPX believes it represents the "one true Church," rejecting reforms made by the Second Vatican Council and holding that all non-members are outside the path to salvation.
The Catholic Church was subverted and infiltrated. Look up Gregory Baum for an example.
This is why there is some infighting about Vatican 2. Currently the SSPX (the order of St Pius X) a traditional Latin mass group is facing excommunication. They are named after Pope Pius X who wrote Pascendi Dominici Gregis. Which was basically a letter about how modernists (like Leo and Francis) and religious relativism would destroy the church. Even if you are Protestant it’s a good read cause you can apply it to liberal theology destroying the faith in general.
So while the SSPX and other traditional Latin Mass groups get attacked by the Vatican, German Bishops allowed female deacons and nothing happens to them.
The entirety of the Protestant faiths were created for the singular purpose of destroying Catholicism.
I know. The Protestant Reformation was more political than Theological and Martin Luther had regrets about it and wrote “Jews and their lies” after they deceived him about biblical canon.
Luther had legitimate criticisms but it went too far. Also he was actually fine with indulgences just not how they were used.
Nothing like selling chit you don't actually have... the ultimate grift...
As a Catholic altar boy - the bishop said he'd give me 10 days indulgence if I took his briefcase out to his car...all of about 9 I knew the entire thing was bullshit.
You have been deceived, that the Catholic Church is the one true church. Believers do not hate Roman Catholics, just hate the unbiblical doctrines of Grace+ works and other non scriptural things like popes. Jesus said to him. "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". John 14:6. Jesus does not say a pope, is the way to eternal life.
We don’t worship the Pope if that is what you are implying.
I'm no fan of the pope, no one i know thinks the pope is the way to eternal life but Catholism is the one faith with direct continuity with Jesus Christ.
The above comment has been my average experience as someone who is converting. I don’t think most Protestants understand the Catholic Church at all. I hear blatant lies about it at worst and at best understandings.
He says “unbiblical” but the Catholic Church put together the canon of the Bible at the council of Rome in 382 and affirmed it at Hippo in 393 and Carthage in 397. So the people who put the Bible together don’t understand it? And the ironic part about it is that James 2:26 literally says Faith without works is dead. It’s why Luther wanted to pull the book out.
I get told I don’t read the Bible yet I can defend the sacraments with scripture and there is no scripture for Sola Scriptura.
I don’t mind respectful debate and conversations but the blatant lies are frustrating.
But neither like to discuss this:
"Neither shall men say, Lo here, or lo there: for behold, the kingdom of God is within you"...Luke 17 : 21
Jesus is WAY, TRUTH and LIFE...Not any religion...NONE.....TRUTH takes you to LIFE, not Law or Ritual...only simple TRUTH...too difficult for most!
Honestly as a catholic I see how they grew out of the spirit of the age, and though they did damage to the church they did express a certain Anglo rebellion to the middle eastern values that came from the bible and Catholicism in general, which if you remember was started in Rome which is basically a Mediterranean territory. So the latent Anglo rebellion to the catholic proscribed rules that cut across their genetic wisdom was an important point of inflection. Though its time for a rejoining of the church to European heritage values and some kind of synthesis if things are going to improve as we hope
They are priests that are modernists and they are bad for our Catholic Church. Hopefully God has mercy on us and gives us what we need to be able to get rid of whatever the demons are planning.
Sspx is a cult
The SSPX believes it represents the "one true Church," rejecting reforms made by the Second Vatican Council and holding that all non-members are outside the path to salvation.