I don't understand it either. My Dad was a farmer, and had farming chemicals and dust from seeds and soil dust breathed in and on his skin for decades. He said as much, regretting some of his exposures. He lived to 91. Yes RoundUp, yes pesticides, yes herbicides. Because the insects and the weeds simply cannot be eradicated by human labor, in order to make a living in agriculture! If you do not agree, just TRY IT! The invasives are insidious! The insects and the weeds and the deer etc., want it ALL and would leave nothing for the humans who made their crops available, which the pests would not otherwise have had to survive and thrive on.
In our garden, it was of course different. Organic.
We converted that crop land into a tree farm. Mow between the rows. But the invasives! I have pulled off vines, careful to pull back the underground roots, etc. as far as I could. The invasive plants will simply not stop. The deer will not stop nibbling on the trees and rubbing them to death. There is not enough human labor in the life of me to stop it. And I have TRIED and spent hundreds of hours of labor and sweat on my knees fighting!
What are humans supposed to do? Just asking! I am not defending chemicals. But properly used, some of them are necessary for food production. What is a human being to DO?
I came across a video a while back where a tractor pulled a video-guided laser across the rows of crops. The video system identified weeds from crop and directed the laser on what to zap (and zap quick it did!).
We have great technologies. What we lack is good people in the high positions working FOR us rather than the satan-worshipping idiots that followed corruption ladders into those positions, and like putting chemical laden "anti-consumer" payloads into our foods.
My family history was also farming. A couple of my uncles continued to farm their entire lives. One ended with Parkinson's and the other cancer. They both used the chemicals. Their father, my grandfather, also farmed. He didn't use chemicals and refused to use them when the government started pushing them back in the day. He had a system that did not involve continued growth of single species crops year after year on the same parcel of land. He rotated what he planted every year in a particular field. He also allowed particular parcels of land to rest every 7 years - which he also rotated. The livestock was allowed into certain fields which he rotated. He grew a variety of crops. Enough to feed his family of 10 kids and his regular hired help, as well as having enough to sell. It worked for him. But doing this on a large commercial scale, I don't know. But the principles are there.
I have a friend that works for a company that educates people in agriculture on how to implement some of these same methods my grandfather used - only more up to date and science based. The focus is to utilize farming practices that significantly reduces the amount of chemicals needed, if not eliminate them all together. It's not only good for the land and the crops grown on that land, but also for the people that eat that food and still make a profit. There has to be a better way to grow the food we need but also to grow food that doesn't harm us at the same time. Balance is the key and working with nature instead of fighting against it.
This is the natural way to farm and it also holds within it the natural ebbs and flows of seasons; IMO the way to do this is to NOT farm in a large commercial scale— it’s clearly impossible. We are meant to live more communally, there should be farms that supply their villages for less than 100 miles radius. And people should understand that sometimes, we can’t have eggs or dairy. Sometimes we can’t have meat. Sometimes we can’t have veggies. IMO all this comes down to human greed, not just money but greed of the soul. We should be eating less food as well…
My concrete guy said he used muriatic acid on stubborn weeds and they never came back...
Gonna try it. I won't use that cancer juice on my property (except for stubborn invasive vines - the end of the vine goes right into a jug of it and it wicks it up & kills the whole vine)
Long... stone driveways suck with these weeds... dragging it and regrading it sucks. Hopefully the acid works. White vinegar and salt worked just okay...
yeah and grass has taken over our nice driveway-side French drain for the rain water flow! During covid I tried to dig out between the rocks and dig out the drains across the end of the driveway. Guess what, the grass grew back and the drains are filled again! So we had a gully-washer and water got into the basement!
One thing that might help a little is put down a pre-emergent in the spring. I have a gravel driveway and the weeds suck. I hand pull most of them since I have a big pine tree I don't want to kill. One variety does seem to have gotten better with that method, not as many growing. I did a pre-emergent this year and at least there were a lot fewer dandelions in that area. Still have some of the other weeds though. (Edit, my driveway is only about 45', your 700' has me beat!) 2nd edit - see if there's someplace that rents out goats to eat the vegetation. They have that around here.
What's "pre-emergent" exactly? Time release RoundUp or something? I really don't want to use any type of gylosphate
Just unloaded a few dozen goats. Too cute to kill...AND goats don't work the way most think they do...They browse. Sheep graze in a straight line/formation - goats do whatever the hell they want - mostly something naughty...like climbing on top of buildings...and making lots of milk duds
It’s specifically called a pre-emergent, and they don’t contain glyphosate. Preen is probably the most well known example. A natural one is corn gluten meal, but that costs more than others. That’s what I used in my backyard, I used Preen and another granular type one on my gravel area.
Based on your experience, do you think shifting to individual/neighborhood growing of food would be more realistic? If you are trying to grow food at a large scale out of season industrial volume it seems to be impossible without some type of chemical assistance because we are trying to cheat nature. I hesitate to say there are too many people, but I want to believe there is a way to do this better without poisoning the producers and consumers.
This is exactly what I said haha. There aren’t too many people, there are too many people relying on not enough people to provide food. And also we eat way too much.
On February 18, 2026, President Donald Trump signed an executive order titled "Promoting the National Defense by Ensuring an Adequate Supply of Elemental Phosphorus and Glyphosate-Based Herbicides," invoking the Defense Production Act of 1950 to prioritize the domestic production of these materials. The order declares glyphosate and elemental phosphorus critical to national security, citing their essential roles in military technologies (such as semiconductors and batteries) and agricultural productivity, noting that no direct one-for-one chemical alternative exists.
The directive delegates authority to the Secretary of Agriculture to allocate resources and ensure supply chains remain robust, while explicitly granting liability immunity to domestic producers who comply with federal directives. This move aims to protect companies like Bayer (maker of Roundup) from ongoing litigation regarding cancer claims and to reduce reliance on foreign sources, a stance that drew sharp criticism from health advocates and the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) movement, including former ally Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who initially supported the order by citing supply chain security.
The 18-year-old was 6 foot 5 and healthy before more than a gallon of glyphosate spilled over his neck and shoulders at work. He dropped to 125 pounds with stage 4 lymphoma and spent seven years fighting tumors through rounds of chemo before becoming chemo-resistant and needing a stem cell transplant that wiped out his immune system. The World Health Organization announced eleven years ago that glyphosate "probably causes cancer."
20+ years ago, before we knew better, my husband sprayed Roundup on the weeds in our yard. We lived in a neighborhood with a homeowners association, and we were going to get in trouble for the weeds in our yard. Well, the next day, the weeds had not died yet, so I ran out there and pulled them up - with bare hands. How dumb!! I washed my hands immediately after, but I was violently ill all night long. That's when I knew... it was incredibly toxic... and not long after that, I became fully MAHA before that was a thing.
Lefty libs love regulations. Corporations create jobs unless they are ham-strung by regulations. We voted for de-regulation of corporations. More people will benefit than get hurt anyway.
President Donald Trump has condemned the actions of Luigi Mangione, the accused murderer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, as a "pure assassin" and labeled the online praise Mangione received as a "sickness". His administration has actively pushed to seek the federal death penalty.
I overestimated you and assumed you were media literate and savvy. It's so hard for me to believe you don't have any clue what I'm talking about, that I don't. I think you're wasting my time. If I'm wrong, then I'm still wasting my time because how do you not know?! Weird. Have a great 4th, kid. Be safe.
Last week the Supreme Court voted 7 to 2 that glyphosate didn't need a cancer warning. Monsanto won. Bayer won.
Government really has no right to be interfering with these things. Whatever good comes from the regulatory system, far, FAR more harm has been done. People need to learn how to learn. Stop relying on "the experts" or "the government" to tell you what's good and bad.
I don't understand it either. My Dad was a farmer, and had farming chemicals and dust from seeds and soil dust breathed in and on his skin for decades. He said as much, regretting some of his exposures. He lived to 91. Yes RoundUp, yes pesticides, yes herbicides. Because the insects and the weeds simply cannot be eradicated by human labor, in order to make a living in agriculture! If you do not agree, just TRY IT! The invasives are insidious! The insects and the weeds and the deer etc., want it ALL and would leave nothing for the humans who made their crops available, which the pests would not otherwise have had to survive and thrive on.
In our garden, it was of course different. Organic.
We converted that crop land into a tree farm. Mow between the rows. But the invasives! I have pulled off vines, careful to pull back the underground roots, etc. as far as I could. The invasive plants will simply not stop. The deer will not stop nibbling on the trees and rubbing them to death. There is not enough human labor in the life of me to stop it. And I have TRIED and spent hundreds of hours of labor and sweat on my knees fighting!
What are humans supposed to do? Just asking! I am not defending chemicals. But properly used, some of them are necessary for food production. What is a human being to DO?
I came across a video a while back where a tractor pulled a video-guided laser across the rows of crops. The video system identified weeds from crop and directed the laser on what to zap (and zap quick it did!).
We have great technologies. What we lack is good people in the high positions working FOR us rather than the satan-worshipping idiots that followed corruption ladders into those positions, and like putting chemical laden "anti-consumer" payloads into our foods.
https://www.rutgers.edu/news/blast-them-rutgers-scientist-uses-lasers-kill-weeds
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016816992501110X
My family history was also farming. A couple of my uncles continued to farm their entire lives. One ended with Parkinson's and the other cancer. They both used the chemicals. Their father, my grandfather, also farmed. He didn't use chemicals and refused to use them when the government started pushing them back in the day. He had a system that did not involve continued growth of single species crops year after year on the same parcel of land. He rotated what he planted every year in a particular field. He also allowed particular parcels of land to rest every 7 years - which he also rotated. The livestock was allowed into certain fields which he rotated. He grew a variety of crops. Enough to feed his family of 10 kids and his regular hired help, as well as having enough to sell. It worked for him. But doing this on a large commercial scale, I don't know. But the principles are there.
I have a friend that works for a company that educates people in agriculture on how to implement some of these same methods my grandfather used - only more up to date and science based. The focus is to utilize farming practices that significantly reduces the amount of chemicals needed, if not eliminate them all together. It's not only good for the land and the crops grown on that land, but also for the people that eat that food and still make a profit. There has to be a better way to grow the food we need but also to grow food that doesn't harm us at the same time. Balance is the key and working with nature instead of fighting against it.
This is the natural way to farm and it also holds within it the natural ebbs and flows of seasons; IMO the way to do this is to NOT farm in a large commercial scale— it’s clearly impossible. We are meant to live more communally, there should be farms that supply their villages for less than 100 miles radius. And people should understand that sometimes, we can’t have eggs or dairy. Sometimes we can’t have meat. Sometimes we can’t have veggies. IMO all this comes down to human greed, not just money but greed of the soul. We should be eating less food as well…
My concrete guy said he used muriatic acid on stubborn weeds and they never came back...
Gonna try it. I won't use that cancer juice on my property (except for stubborn invasive vines - the end of the vine goes right into a jug of it and it wicks it up & kills the whole vine)
Long... stone driveways suck with these weeds... dragging it and regrading it sucks. Hopefully the acid works. White vinegar and salt worked just okay...
Careful with the muriatic acid! Had some leak onto my travertine and put a nice small crater on my nice big travertine 😭
Yeah...they were out of hydrofluoric...so yanno
yes stuff like that works on landscapes; we haven't used stuff on our lawn for decades. I like the clover and dandelions!
I don't care about the lawn....It's too big - mostly dandelions & onions lol
But the stone driveway...yeah...Gotta keep that knocked down.
yeah and grass has taken over our nice driveway-side French drain for the rain water flow! During covid I tried to dig out between the rocks and dig out the drains across the end of the driveway. Guess what, the grass grew back and the drains are filled again! So we had a gully-washer and water got into the basement!
Fun stuff...
/s
Gasoline works fine.
You can also burn them with a large propane torch.
700' long driveway....I'd have to start over once I got all the way down to the end again...
Just use gas in your garden sprayer or put the propane bottle in the back of your side by side or 4- wheeler.
One thing that might help a little is put down a pre-emergent in the spring. I have a gravel driveway and the weeds suck. I hand pull most of them since I have a big pine tree I don't want to kill. One variety does seem to have gotten better with that method, not as many growing. I did a pre-emergent this year and at least there were a lot fewer dandelions in that area. Still have some of the other weeds though. (Edit, my driveway is only about 45', your 700' has me beat!) 2nd edit - see if there's someplace that rents out goats to eat the vegetation. They have that around here.
What's "pre-emergent" exactly? Time release RoundUp or something? I really don't want to use any type of gylosphate
Just unloaded a few dozen goats. Too cute to kill...AND goats don't work the way most think they do...They browse. Sheep graze in a straight line/formation - goats do whatever the hell they want - mostly something naughty...like climbing on top of buildings...and making lots of milk duds
Based on your experience, do you think shifting to individual/neighborhood growing of food would be more realistic? If you are trying to grow food at a large scale out of season industrial volume it seems to be impossible without some type of chemical assistance because we are trying to cheat nature. I hesitate to say there are too many people, but I want to believe there is a way to do this better without poisoning the producers and consumers.
This is exactly what I said haha. There aren’t too many people, there are too many people relying on not enough people to provide food. And also we eat way too much.
subsistence farming . . . who wants to live that way though?
We have new sprayers that use optical sensors and only spray on the weeds. They use up to 90% less roundup.
great~!
On February 18, 2026, President Donald Trump signed an executive order titled "Promoting the National Defense by Ensuring an Adequate Supply of Elemental Phosphorus and Glyphosate-Based Herbicides," invoking the Defense Production Act of 1950 to prioritize the domestic production of these materials. The order declares glyphosate and elemental phosphorus critical to national security, citing their essential roles in military technologies (such as semiconductors and batteries) and agricultural productivity, noting that no direct one-for-one chemical alternative exists.
The directive delegates authority to the Secretary of Agriculture to allocate resources and ensure supply chains remain robust, while explicitly granting liability immunity to domestic producers who comply with federal directives. This move aims to protect companies like Bayer (maker of Roundup) from ongoing litigation regarding cancer claims and to reduce reliance on foreign sources, a stance that drew sharp criticism from health advocates and the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) movement, including former ally Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who initially supported the order by citing supply chain security.
This was necessary so libs would quit trying to sue and starve us into submission.
So glyphosate is only carcinogenic to liberals? Interesting take.
They perpetuate the hoax.
You think Trump is trying to give people cancer? Interesting take.
He still says the COVID vaccines were a good thing. Are you up to date on your shots? Chugging glyphosate to own the libs?
Sounds like your beef is with Donald Trump, not me. 🤦♀️
My "beef" is with people that lie. I am very tired of liars.
On this we can agree. People that mislead, obfuscate, manipulate, exaggerate, or manipulate through coercion are weak by nature.
The 18-year-old was 6 foot 5 and healthy before more than a gallon of glyphosate spilled over his neck and shoulders at work. He dropped to 125 pounds with stage 4 lymphoma and spent seven years fighting tumors through rounds of chemo before becoming chemo-resistant and needing a stem cell transplant that wiped out his immune system. The World Health Organization announced eleven years ago that glyphosate "probably causes cancer."
SOURCE: https://x.com/MichelleMaxwell/status/2072738605924045232 SOURCE (mirror): https://xcancel.com/MichelleMaxwell/status/2072738605924045232
Why don't they mention his height after the spill? They mention what it was before.
We need specifics.
20+ years ago, before we knew better, my husband sprayed Roundup on the weeds in our yard. We lived in a neighborhood with a homeowners association, and we were going to get in trouble for the weeds in our yard. Well, the next day, the weeds had not died yet, so I ran out there and pulled them up - with bare hands. How dumb!! I washed my hands immediately after, but I was violently ill all night long. That's when I knew... it was incredibly toxic... and not long after that, I became fully MAHA before that was a thing.
Lefty libs love regulations. Corporations create jobs unless they are ham-strung by regulations. We voted for de-regulation of corporations. More people will benefit than get hurt anyway.
Luigi solution
So is that the "glyphosate counter-measure"? It sure seems like glyphosate is NOT what we want in our food system.
Lorenzo oil?
Williard water?
President Donald Trump has condemned the actions of Luigi Mangione, the accused murderer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, as a "pure assassin" and labeled the online praise Mangione received as a "sickness". His administration has actively pushed to seek the federal death penalty.
yeah man I meant the haunted castle
Yeah, and 86 is about restuarant slang.
are we in a restaurant?
Soylent green is people😀
No dude. We're obviously in a haunted castle. Wtf are you talking about? Speak plainly.
You advocated for the murder of businessmen and are now being dishonest. You know this, but are pretending otherwise.
how did you reach that conclusion? I meant relax and play some Nintendo
I overestimated you and assumed you were media literate and savvy. It's so hard for me to believe you don't have any clue what I'm talking about, that I don't. I think you're wasting my time. If I'm wrong, then I'm still wasting my time because how do you not know?! Weird. Have a great 4th, kid. Be safe.
Government really has no right to be interfering with these things. Whatever good comes from the regulatory system, far, FAR more harm has been done. People need to learn how to learn. Stop relying on "the experts" or "the government" to tell you what's good and bad.
YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.
And the government can't tell you the truth.
Neither can the experts.
We can listen, but DO NOT TRUST.
That is the only path to both freedom and health.