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JollyRancherHard 2 points ago +3 / -1

Biden removed Trump's security clearance in Feb 2021. But this was not removed.

I think this info is coming out from Trump's lawyers. It seems like they didn't know about this Q clearance until this discovery was provided to them.

My assumption is this was overlooked

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JollyRancherHard 0 points ago +1 / -1

It's definitely Q clearance. The court documents are explicit about this.

They say one of charged documents required Q clearance.

So this info has come out in unclassified discovery

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JollyRancherHard 0 points ago +2 / -2

Why do you believe that.

I know he flew out of DC while still president. But the codes change all the time. And there is more than one football

It's also super expensive as its main function is a secure communication device. So what would it mean if he kept it?

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JollyRancherHard 0 points ago +2 / -2

I'm not sure how this applies

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JollyRancherHard 4 points ago +5 / -1

The rule in federal courts is no cameras in the courtrooms.

A coalition of media companies have asked for cameras.

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JollyRancherHard 2 points ago +3 / -1

Jack Smith submitted a motion opposing cameras in the courtroom.

It included this footnote on page 6

Counsel for former President Trump has requested that government counsel convey that he takes no position with respect to these Applications. https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1720616518466031676?t=zyxKT0GnFFd_aGH5puh8Rg&s=19

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JollyRancherHard 2 points ago +3 / -1

Biden revoked his clearance in Feb 2021.

To me this reads like a screw up and they forgot about DOE.

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JollyRancherHard 0 points ago +1 / -1

It's not the highest. It's just specialized to DOE.

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JollyRancherHard 3 points ago +5 / -2

Are you kidding here?

I know a lot of folks were saying this, but I don't know if they were serious.

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JollyRancherHard 1 point ago +2 / -1

It's even more complicated than that.

The regular general election is going forward....it's on Tuesday.

Clark’s ruling does not impact actual voting on Tuesday, as the judge has no authority to halt an election.

If the guy who brought the complaint, challenger John Gomes wins the election. He's the mayor no new election. If he loses, the other gets to be mayor......and they hold a new primary election.

If Ganim wins the new primary, he would be reelected mayor, and another general election wouldn’t be necessary, because the relief Gomes was seeking was a new primary election. If Gomes wins the new primary, however, a new city-wide election would have to be held to determine the winner of the mayoral contest, Bloss said.

https://ctmirror.org/2023/11/01/bridgeport-primary-election-ruling-ganim-gomes/

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JollyRancherHard 0 points ago +1 / -1

Yes and one of the issues is to whom does it belong, the former executive or the current executive?

Here’s the more difficult question: can a former president claim executive privilege? In a 1977 case, the Supreme Court ruled that even after leaving office, former President Nixon continued to enjoy a presidential-communications privilege, but that privilege was tempered by certain factors, including how long Nixon (or any former president) has been out of office and–crucially–how a current president views the former president’s invocation of the privilege.

And in the case mentioned in the article Trump sued and lost the case.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/19/trump-supreme-court-records-527421

The appeals court panel concluded unanimously that Trump could not assert executive privilege over the records as a former president because the incumbent, President Joe Biden, had agreed to hand the files over to the House committee.

The way I have heard this expressed is executive privilege belongs to the current executive.

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JollyRancherHard 0 points ago +1 / -1

Biden asks NARA to revoke Trump's exec privilege to the classified docs

NARA complies

Biden reclassifies the docs

Mar- A-Lago raid ensues

This is not what is being claimed in the article.

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JollyRancherHard -1 points ago +1 / -2

Biden reclassifies them

Is that what is being claimed?

I didn't see that .

Edit

Trump still had DOE security clearance related to at least one charged document as recently as June 2023.

OK, I see this now. Hat tip to Buttery.

This is not reclassification.

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JollyRancherHard -1 points ago +1 / -2

So let's see if this is a bombshell or something more routine.

Trump’s lawyers told Judge Cannon this afternoon they have evidence that the Biden White House collaborated with NARA, DOJ, and intel agencies to determine which documents to include in Jack Smith’s indictment.

That's what I described above. Intel Agencies would absolutely be involved in this. NARA too. White House? I dunno, but so far this is not malfeasance.

Same with this

Evidence of “extensive communications” between White House, NARA, intel agencies and DOJ/Jack Smith prior to the indictment to determine which classified files to include.

OK so here's the number DOJ is claiming. So like 30 documents are part of the Indictment and 310 are not.

340 classified documents

So the vast majority of claimed classified documents are either not criminal, not splashy enough for a jury or too secret.

But the DOJ had to talk to others to determine this.. ok here's mention of this. It's called classification review.

Jack Smith told judge the classification review of 340 or so documents had been completed.

That's part of the CIPA law.

Ok here's where she talks about Biden.

Joe Biden’s spokeswoman has repeatedly claimed Joe Biden had no knowledge of the raid and that he found out about it in the media.

According to the memos, the Biden White House instigated the criminal investigation by eliminating Trump’s claims to executive privilege.

This goes back to 2022. https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/biden-white-house-facilitated-dojs-criminal-probe-against-trump?utm_source=sf&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twjs

This feels clickbaity.

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JollyRancherHard -1 points ago +1 / -2

Hi,

Without looking into this story, this just seems like how classified info works when it's being used in a trial

The DOJ claims over 100 classified documents were at Mar a Lago. I think they claim way more than that, but Trump is only charged with like 30 documents. So they had to decide which documents to use.

I had read in a case like this it's not unusual not to charge every document. You don't want the possibility of revealing super secret stuff during the trial. Yeah, here is some info https://www.businessinsider.com/what-are-goldilocks-docs-trump-classified-documents-case-national-security-2023-6

A law known as the Classified Information Processing Act, or CIPA, guides the discovery process for cases involving classified documents. The 1980 law added procedures to determine which classified documents can be used. According to the Justice Department, it requires the court to issue protective orders over documents that absolutely cannot be revealed through the trial process. CIPA also outlines rules by which defense attorneys can request classified documents be revealed to help their own cases.

... You want the just right secret, but not too secret documents.

LP

Goldilocks" documents — files that can both be shown to a jury but ease the worries of intelligence agencies that want to hold on to their most sensitive information.

DOJ doesn't determine classification. They have to consult others.... usually that's the original classifying agency in the executive branch....which might explain the White House involvement That's a question I have about the article.

NARA is the custodians of the documents, so it doesn't surprise me they are involved. NARA has a classified section somewhere in Maryland

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JollyRancherHard 5 points ago +6 / -1

Trump's lawyers say 3 hours of cross examination of current witness.

So Don Jr probably for an hour at the end of the day.

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JollyRancherHard 0 points ago +1 / -1

she didn't win, so why didn't they investigate her? Probably because some Republicans told them to forget about it as well.

I think a more likely explanation is Byrne is telling the truth. You think at the height of the Mueller investigation, Trump wouldn't come out with this both barrels blazing? Seems unlikely to me.

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