Biden could approach and pay respects, but WAS NOT allowed to 'lay' the wreathe
For comparison, here are past presidents, actually elected and recognized by the US military as their commander in chief. Wreathe is presented for the POTUS to lay, rather than already there to begin with.
Here's Trump
And Obama
And Bush
And Clinton
And Reagan
Only Biden was denied the laying. Could approach and pay respects, but not lay it. Aligns with being a foreign dignitary rather than the POTUS.
Thanks for your posts
I'm trying.
I'll share what I find down my rabbit hole, others share theirs, and together we map out the whole goddamn underground network.
I am not really looking at videos of Biden but I have not seen a soldier salute him yet. Has anyone seen in a video an example of him receiving a salute?
I might be able to buy into that, but as a veteran, the ONE thing I know is the Old Guard does NOT fuck around when it comes to tradition. That's literally what they're known for and all they do. If they do something, there's a reason behind it and it isn't an accident. That said, what does it mean? I have no idea, I was too tall (6'4") to even try and get into the Old Guard, but I've always respected those guys for what they do.
The wreath laying ceremony is not listed as being modified in any way on the Arlington National Cemetery in the covid section. It's all just boiler plate wear your mask and social distance where you can.
One thing I've gained from reading through all of these things the past few days is a whole new respect for the Military and how they all adhere so strictly to codes and traditions. It's comforting to know that there are so many people in this world who still hold something sacred. There was a video yesterday of an older gentlemen delivering packages, saw someone's flag fall on the ground and, despite the fact that it obviously caused him physical pain, he picked it up off the ground, folded it perfectly and saluted it. Literally made me cry, thinking about what people have given up for that flag and how we are so close to losing it all.
I served there for three years and 100% concur. There is zero room for error; I can tell you a few stories about what happens when someone f’s up.
You do remember that Covid was literally given as THE reason to steal the election, crash the economy, blame it all on trump and push mail in voting, thus helping to steal the election, right?
There was an excuse made.
Here are Covid restrictions on the Arlington National Cemetery Website, wreath laying are still taking place and nothing suggests the ceremony is modified in any way.
So what gloves aren't good enough protection nor that the virus dies in the sunlight within 30 minutes? Pitiful excuse.
The military branches also did NOT lower their flag colors when Biden approached the Wreath which is a mandatory part of the ceremony. Biden is not POTUS.
I think that's only for when the wreath is layed, and not necessarily when someone approaches to pay respect. At least, that's what I gather from videos. Trump when 30 minutes late to a wreath laying that had already been performed (memorial day, was happening whether he was there or not) approached post-laying without colors being lowered.
But damn good eye.
Youtube, won't allow the footage of Trump laying the wreath, all others you can see, lol, TDS is in overdrive, they're running scared.
Also not sure if it's significant or not but why is the military officer not wearing any kind of badges in Biden video whereas they have plenty in others?
Winter overcoats don't get medals. They're on the uniform under.
Coat
Most of them are wearing coats in that video. In fact, would it be possible that they deliberately chose to wear coats so that they had an excuse not to display their medals and badges?
Nah, its a different type of uniform. I think they use the same during Obummers inauguration. Don't quote me on that.
It is January.. Peak winter
The wives are wearing fucking dresses. Stop.
I permit myself on stupid mistake per day, thanks!
It was past midnight, it was a new day! I'm covered!
Great post
Holy crap
Biden salutes???? Suppose to put hand over heart. Did he ever serve in the military WTF?
I notice in the other videos besides Biden there are soldiers who raise their swords. Something?
This is another great pickup. They are saluting, and you're right. Biden wasn't saluted at this point either. Can anyone find anyone saluting Biden at any point ever??
Thing is, can't be sure if those instances are salutes to the POTUS or the wreath/TotUS
As VP, would he have been saluted? If so, is there any video to compare then vs. now?
Seems it's happened before, but the VP is literally no where in the chain of command. Just because he's first in line for the position of commander in chief doesn't mean he should be saluted anymore than the secretary of education for being 17th in line or whatever.
Interesting
Could it be that protocol is different for inauguration vs. Tomb of the unknown soldier.
Don't have any reason to believe that.
While there's no dates for the earlier presidents, and some of the later ones appear mid term, Trump's video is from immediately before his inauguration on the 19th of Jan on 2017. If there was ever a case that it would be different in one case or another, we have spanned the gamut yet in ALL cases it's the same ... except with Biden.
Here's one of Trump where he doesn't present, but he arrived 30 minutes late to the memorial day ceremony, ie one being held whether he showed up or not, rather than inaugural ones where you're the whole reason for it (Like with the other Trump video, and Biden's non laying case).
Hell, I even found one of Prince Harry being allowed to lay a wreathe, so it tanks the 'foreign dignitaries can't lay', but it's still a case of Biden not being permitted when you'd think he would.
Literally the only example we have of not, are when you show up late to a ceremony going on whether you're there or not, and Biden.
Harry laid a tiny wreath. We let him, probably it is because UK was an allied fighting WW2.
I made a similar assumption.
While it seems any citizen can apply to lay a wreath, I found no video in searches for foreign dignitaries, ambassadors, or heads of state doing so. But admittedly, those may not have been video recorded or uploaded. Even finding presidential video was not easy. YT only wants to show you Biden and Trump.
It was at the tome
Commander in Chief.
Carry on
Thought I already corrected it, ty
Good job, this (like I said in an earlier post) is TANGIBLE evidence Biden is NOT in control. These seemingly small things I thing are huge.
Was Joey in the Army? I don't think so! So why is he saluting instead of placing his hand on his Heart as all other former Presidents that did not serve did? Or is this Optional? Or... did his Clone serve and made a lil mistake? LOL
You'd think he'd know the protocol, but lots of new presidents who never served screw up protocol. Could be dementia, could be he's playing up what it looks like to idiot viewers who don't know better.
how many screw up's or coincidences until ...etc...
If you arrive on a day that is guaranteed to have a ceremony conducted whether you show up or not, there's going to be a wreath there already. This was Veterans day. Likewise on memorial day where Trump shows up 30 minutes late to the actual ceremony.
But on inauguration day, or like with all the other links, you're the ceremony, and you're laying the wreath. This was basically Biden's day yet he didn't lay the wreath.
I'm pretty certain that by now everyone on active duty has seen the video of biden calling them stupid bastards. That means something.
He approached as a foreign leader and did not get a 21 gun saluten
Everything from the election day to now has been highly unusual and sus, especially with regards to the military interaction with Pedo Joe and the occupation of DC.
I mentioned this in another thread but it applies here as well as far as the symbolism we're seeing:
Symbolism Will Be Their Downfall
I didn't see anyone mention this here, so I will . . .
These three structures are called "obelisks." Most people think of them as being inspired from Egyptian architecture. Yes, the Egyptians used them. But the word "obelisk" is derived from the deity Baal from the region of Canaan.
Obelisk actually means "shaft of Baal."
Worshippers of Baal used to sacrifice children to this "God."
You have to use discernment in everything today as even this link is scrubbing the act of sacrifice as being "In times of crisis" as a way of rationalizing this behavior.
IMO, the Washington Monument being dark is symbolic that Baal no longer has power there.
Something else I noticed that's odd, why is Trump the first president to lay it with his VP? Now Kamala and Pedo? All 4 presidents before did not have the VP present.
Great research tho, there is definitely something fishy going on..
Now THAT is weird. I’ve been throwing cold water in the ‘military lacks respect’ angle but have to,admit, this supports his not having the proper authority. Not to mention, it looks awkward as hell. Is the excuse perhaps that they want,social distancing? I thought masks fixed that, eh Fauci?
None of the NG social distanced when they were deployed and billeted throughout the Capital. No one in attendance social distanced. They didn't social distance when they gave the 21 gun salute to Biden at Arlington later in the 2+1@9second configuration.
So no, that's not a valid excuse.
And in case you missed it, here is the case that Biden was greeted as a foreign dignitary with his salute at Arlington. Scroll down to get to the comment.
It wasn’t my assertion that the distancing was the real reason, only that they would use it. As to the salute, I don’t have time to watch 20 videos. I am certain The Old Guard would not knowingly jeopardize their time-honored standards. If there were actually only 17 volleys, it was because they were ordered to do so. Number of guns and interval timing of volleys is unimportant.
All my videos are all queued up, so you can spend ~5 seconds on any link of mine you click.
Now, if number of guns and interval timing were unimportant as you suggest then you'd expect them to be standardized.
If however they are important, you'd be unable to find examples of the POTUS (other than Biden) receiving his 21 in a 2+1@9sec configuration, and you should be able to find foreign dignitaries receiving their 21 with 3+1@3sec configurations.
I can find no examples of either, so I conclude that yes, gun numbers and intervals absolutely matter.
Ok, go with you assertion rather than intel from someone who served there. I don’t GAF. Was just trying to help for fucks sake.
This fucking board....attack your allies, really brilliant. The internet creates lots of bravery.
Then find me videos of POTUS receiving a 2+1@9sec, I have found zero
Or find me a video of a foreign dignitary receiving a 3+1@3sec, I have found zero
I have found plenty of the reverse on the POTUS side
If you want to help, then find evidence that falsifies the position. I've tried and can't.
What attack?
Videos don’t exist beyond a few years, you probably know that. I looked but of course can only find the last few Presidents, I will say Reagan had three Guns at his funeral. So, I reached out to the Guns Platoon public Liason re: # of Guns and sequence timing of volleys. I’ll report back once I receive word and if I’m wrong, I’ll gladly say so.
Nice!!
BTW:
This part of GW Regan's funeral looks like a 2+1@5sec
5 seconds is what is prescribed for in funerals, though the battery configuration is unusual, not just compared to inaugurations, but from other funerals.
This part of GW Bush's funeral was a 3+1@5sec
Another angle 3+1@5sec.
This part of Nixon's Funeral was a 3+1@5sec
It looks like Regan was the only 2+1 configuration I've ever seen, and I'm sure there isn't an extra gun off frame as the firing order/timing is consistent with the right most gun firing the third shell at the 33 second mark if it were a 2+1 configuration.
Of course, these are funerals. I'd prefer to compare apples with apples
Sharp observation.
What is on his left ankle? Watch the movements 2:48. Maybe it’s just me and I am seeing something.
Note. 8i8en also did an upside down cross at the wreath.
He did a normal cross.
It looked way too low to be the shoulders. Especially looking at where he ends the verticle and starts the cross. Who makes the sign of the cross below their rib cage?
Oh I see what you mean. I thought you meant he did the points of the cross out of order. It still looks pretty normal to me though.
Glad you did watch it though, I had to have the sound off to get through it. And because of it, I missed things that others found. Thankfully over overwatches overlap. They are going to regret thinking they could treat these serious matters like a theatre game.
Yea I muted too. It was hard to watch