As a professional genealogist, I have to disagree. Most present day American citizens do have ancestors who were here in the 1600s, two centuries before the Civil War.
Slavery didn't just happen in the South. Northern states had slavery as well. They just ended it before the South was going to, which they were as it was becoming uneconomical. Things were better for blacks in the South, as many were already free men, and the ones who were suddenly freed went on to farm and get city jobs. The ones up north, in many cases, were house slaves who actually had a good deal. They had a place to stay, good clothes, plenty to eat, and free medical care. After slavery ended up north, they were kept as paid servants. But the pay was slave wages, and they had to get their own place to live and pay all their own expenses.
BTW, the war wasn't fought to end slavery. That was just the reason given to Yankees so they would support it. The real reason was northern business interests wanted a piece of southern trade with England, and we wouldn't cave. Ending slavery was a pretext. They knew slavery would soon be over naturally in the South in a matter of 10 or 20 years. If it were truly about slavery, Yankees wouldn't have been raiding farms that never had slaves, burning everything and killing women and children. Also, Lincoln didn't want to issue the Emancipation Proclamation. And it didn't end all slavery. It excepted Norfolk, New Orleans, and a few other places. It would have ended all slavery without exceptions if the war had been about ending slavery.
Reparations is an ignorant idea. Every last one of us has ancestors who were slaves at one point or another in history.
Me and my 366 Neanderthal variants were able to track my lineage online back to Thomas Cason 1619 Virginia! I’ve always found this interesting, you have a cool job.
Not really a job, as I only occasionally get paid. It's been several years since I had a large paying customer.
I am currently working on a book that may be finished in a year or two. It seems that people in my family screwed anything that moved. There are countless extramarital children and interracial children that are showing up in droves in my DNA matches. And half my cousins married cousins. I'm in my tree in four different places. My male line goes back to the 1500s in Germany.
It's great fun. I do some genealogies for free just to stay in practice.
BTW, Thomas Cason owned a lot of slaves. Just thought you'd like to know. And he lived just an hour's drive from me.
I may not be the very best genealogist, but I am one of the very fastest.
Really? Anywhere I can find that info? Absolutely fascinating. I wasn’t able to find Revolutionary war info but my great great? grandfather Owen elkins died in the civil war (south obviously)
23 and me said I’m related to Franklin, obviously not that branch of my tree. It would have to be through my grandmother Eleanor Garrison (b.1918 I think, just died last year at 102 in a nursing home from “COVID”) , they came from NY
I don't do it as an actual job. I have done it for money, but I prefer to do it for fun. I am retired from a regular job, so I can sit at my desk all day long and do research. Since so much is on the computer now, I don't have to travel to research like I did back in the 70s.
I have Asperger's, and genealogy is one of my "perseverations" or intense interests above all else. I have been doing this for almost 60 years, and it's just as much fun now as it was back in the 60s.
If you give me more specific info about an ancestor, I might be able to find something quickly. I did a quick search for Owen Elkins and found one who was born in NC, enlisted for the war in GA in 1863, and was married to a Cason. I might not be the very best in the world, but I am among the fastest.
Hey! That sounds amazing. First off, thank you. I find this information beyond interesting and I could talk about this forever.
Owen Elkins should show kin ending up in Georgia, Toombs county. My grandfather was Joseph Lee Elkins he died in 1983 in NJ. He was in WWII. His daughter (my mother 1957-2012) name was Jaye.
23andMe has been crazy for me. I found out both my sisters weren’t my dads and he had another daughter neither of us knew about. He was surprised to say the least.
Another good family mystery is that my father was adopted by his stepfather, was born (Robert Allen May) 5/13/44 (Mother Eleanor Garrison, died 2000 age 102) bio father was named Leonard May. I know ZERO about him and neither did my dad. I heard Leonard was British. My Dad was from Princeton/millstone/grovers Mills (same farm as featured in “was of the worlds” radio broadcast)
I find it fascinating that I have a paternal lineage that I know nothing about.
Curious if you can figure out my adopted last name.
If I was trained similarly and had the spectrum chops to do Mariana Trench level dives I’d do it all day :)
Thank you In advance. You’re making a stranger and his family very happy.
Have a fantastic weekend. Hope the weather is good where you’re at. I’m in SoCal so as far as weather, I can’t complain hahah
I just saw your message a few minutes ago (12:20 AM EST), so I looked for Leonard May. I found his World War II draft registration. His full name was Leonard Allen May. He was born 3-23-1912 in Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England and was married at the time to Eleanor Garrison. He had brown hair, blue eyes, and was 5'7" tall.
The tombstone has the wrong birth year, and he had married again. There is a copy of his obituary, which gives his parents' names.
Are you saying that Robert is your grandfather, and your father was adopted by Robert? Just trying to figure out what you need to know. A Y-DNA test will help you find the last name of your real male ancestral line. If it's an unusual last name, you might be able to do some detective work and find out who was around with that last name at the right time.
I think you underestimate a lot. First of all, as slaveowners were fairly well off, their descendants were more healthy and had lots of descendants. My one slave-owning ancestor, who died 200 years ago, has many thousands of descendants. The book I am writing is over 1,000 pages so far. Practically everyone, black or white, in a multi-county area is related to me.
You would be surprised at how many "poor" people are really into genealogy and do their own research. It doesn't cost that much now. Almost everyone has a cell phone. You get a monthly account with Ancestry and perhaps even get a DNA test, as prices have gone way down. I am finding lots of DNA matches that are helping me to add more lines as well as confirm others. One of my most recent DNA matches is a black guy who apparently lives in a slum in NY. He is so excited about the match and has been messaging me a lot lately.
There are many millions of us who have no recent immigrant ancestors at all. Every line of my ancestry goes back to people who were already here over 200 years ago, many over 300 years ago.
Yes, there were men killed in the Civil War, but the ones who were left more than made up for it. The women left behind either remarried or just had children anyway. I have found a good number of cases of women having children without being married just in my own family. The most recent one I found out about had three children on her own, then married a guy who went to war and died. Her husband died, and he never fathered children that I know of, but she still has descendants down to this day. I know them personally. As far as "young men," you should realize that "old men" can still reproduce, and actually did a lot back then. It has been documented.
I have worked on family trees for many people for little or no pay just to keep in practice. So far, I've found only a very few who only have recent immigrant ancestors. All the rest have multiple lines going back into the 1600s in America, some even to natives.
Yes, there were a lot of immigrants a little over 100 years ago. But then immigration was almost completely stopped for a very long time. Look it up. So I stand by the fact that most Americans have deep roots here.
So... then the native Americans and Irish will be included too?!! I’m guessing this is only to appease a certain group who coincidentally weren’t paid by Soros as promised. This will be their compensation.
Anyone whose ancestor was press ganged into the English Navy, or was sent to a far flung land of the Empire to work an-indentured servitude in the colonies?
I agree with the statements I've read so far. My 2 cents. GET OVER IT. We all have something that we consider opression. Land of opportunity...ring any bells.. Stop enslaving all of us to an out of control huge government that taxes us to the point of slave wages. Next step is they implement a system of telling American's what kind of jobs we must fill. Class systems back in play. Stop. Be an individual. DO NOT DEPEND ON THE GOVERNMENT!
So when will The Plan be put into affect? Maybe after our country, or what's left of it is not more than a heap of ashes.
This makes no fucking sense at all. Why would Trump delay, and allow my loved ones to remain under the spell of the wicked SOBs, that they choose to take a vaccine that may kill them in months. Why would Trump, if he was in control allow our country to be destroyed.
Let me ask you this. If you could come up with an ingenious plan to take over the world, and have the good people do noting, offer no resistance at all, how would you go about it. As for myself, I would have a person just like Q appear to tell everyone not to believe their eyes. I would tell the that sure the election was a total scam, but don't worry we are still in power, so DO NOTHING. Don't believe that the man that was sworn in as president, even thought he is enacting measures that is guaranteed to destroy your country, DO NOTHING.
I hope this is not the ingenious plan. I hope they are not that smart. But If I were going to take control, this is exactly the way I would do it. Give people a sense that everything is going to be fine, even while the flames rise up to consume them.
Yeah can I have a bunch of money for the slaving I've had to deal with?? These taxes are heavy AF I could have been retired by now. I DEMAND somebody make it right. Also I IDENTIFY as a slave who worked a good 100 hours a week for years. I want that WITH interest. Thanks.
P.s
My reparations are going to buy more guns that I will inevitably lose in a boating accident.
I've checked my ancestry and we have NO history of slave ownership. As those that have had slaves and enjoyed the fruits of their labor, I demand reparations for all of the lost free labor I and my past generations have missed do to others having had their free labor. Where my check at?
They don’t care about black people, they simply want to create a bigger divide between blacks and whites. What better way? Most whites will turn against blacks, not against the government. The government, in turn, will silence any blacks who are against the bill and the media will crank up the black support of the bill to full volume- this way white people will see it as being caused by black people themselves
Define slavery.. anyone forced to wear a mask and stay home is slavery in my book
Good point.
Not really. A slave's primary roll is to produce something for the cost-benefit of the owner with no income in return.
We are much more like indentured survents. While humans have been controlled we still get some economic assistance of little actual value
So, as we were slaves under the US Corp. are we eligible for reparations too?
There we go! Good point.
As a person of Irish descent, where's my reparations? Might be some Jewish in the lineage too, does that qualify me for double reparations?
Just saying.
One of my ancestors was an Irish Indentured Servant in Canada in the late 1770s. I guess that wouldn't count.
How about stopping the taxation WITHOUT representation! We are all slaves baby!
As a professional genealogist, I have to disagree. Most present day American citizens do have ancestors who were here in the 1600s, two centuries before the Civil War.
Slavery didn't just happen in the South. Northern states had slavery as well. They just ended it before the South was going to, which they were as it was becoming uneconomical. Things were better for blacks in the South, as many were already free men, and the ones who were suddenly freed went on to farm and get city jobs. The ones up north, in many cases, were house slaves who actually had a good deal. They had a place to stay, good clothes, plenty to eat, and free medical care. After slavery ended up north, they were kept as paid servants. But the pay was slave wages, and they had to get their own place to live and pay all their own expenses.
BTW, the war wasn't fought to end slavery. That was just the reason given to Yankees so they would support it. The real reason was northern business interests wanted a piece of southern trade with England, and we wouldn't cave. Ending slavery was a pretext. They knew slavery would soon be over naturally in the South in a matter of 10 or 20 years. If it were truly about slavery, Yankees wouldn't have been raiding farms that never had slaves, burning everything and killing women and children. Also, Lincoln didn't want to issue the Emancipation Proclamation. And it didn't end all slavery. It excepted Norfolk, New Orleans, and a few other places. It would have ended all slavery without exceptions if the war had been about ending slavery.
Reparations is an ignorant idea. Every last one of us has ancestors who were slaves at one point or another in history.
Me and my 366 Neanderthal variants were able to track my lineage online back to Thomas Cason 1619 Virginia! I’ve always found this interesting, you have a cool job.
Not really a job, as I only occasionally get paid. It's been several years since I had a large paying customer.
I am currently working on a book that may be finished in a year or two. It seems that people in my family screwed anything that moved. There are countless extramarital children and interracial children that are showing up in droves in my DNA matches. And half my cousins married cousins. I'm in my tree in four different places. My male line goes back to the 1500s in Germany.
It's great fun. I do some genealogies for free just to stay in practice.
BTW, Thomas Cason owned a lot of slaves. Just thought you'd like to know. And he lived just an hour's drive from me.
I may not be the very best genealogist, but I am one of the very fastest.
Really? Anywhere I can find that info? Absolutely fascinating. I wasn’t able to find Revolutionary war info but my great great? grandfather Owen elkins died in the civil war (south obviously) 23 and me said I’m related to Franklin, obviously not that branch of my tree. It would have to be through my grandmother Eleanor Garrison (b.1918 I think, just died last year at 102 in a nursing home from “COVID”) , they came from NY
I’d love that job
I don't do it as an actual job. I have done it for money, but I prefer to do it for fun. I am retired from a regular job, so I can sit at my desk all day long and do research. Since so much is on the computer now, I don't have to travel to research like I did back in the 70s.
I have Asperger's, and genealogy is one of my "perseverations" or intense interests above all else. I have been doing this for almost 60 years, and it's just as much fun now as it was back in the 60s.
If you give me more specific info about an ancestor, I might be able to find something quickly. I did a quick search for Owen Elkins and found one who was born in NC, enlisted for the war in GA in 1863, and was married to a Cason. I might not be the very best in the world, but I am among the fastest.
Hey! That sounds amazing. First off, thank you. I find this information beyond interesting and I could talk about this forever.
Owen Elkins should show kin ending up in Georgia, Toombs county. My grandfather was Joseph Lee Elkins he died in 1983 in NJ. He was in WWII. His daughter (my mother 1957-2012) name was Jaye.
23andMe has been crazy for me. I found out both my sisters weren’t my dads and he had another daughter neither of us knew about. He was surprised to say the least.
Another good family mystery is that my father was adopted by his stepfather, was born (Robert Allen May) 5/13/44 (Mother Eleanor Garrison, died 2000 age 102) bio father was named Leonard May. I know ZERO about him and neither did my dad. I heard Leonard was British. My Dad was from Princeton/millstone/grovers Mills (same farm as featured in “was of the worlds” radio broadcast) I find it fascinating that I have a paternal lineage that I know nothing about. Curious if you can figure out my adopted last name. If I was trained similarly and had the spectrum chops to do Mariana Trench level dives I’d do it all day :) Thank you In advance. You’re making a stranger and his family very happy.
Have a fantastic weekend. Hope the weather is good where you’re at. I’m in SoCal so as far as weather, I can’t complain hahah
I just saw your message a few minutes ago (12:20 AM EST), so I looked for Leonard May. I found his World War II draft registration. His full name was Leonard Allen May. He was born 3-23-1912 in Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England and was married at the time to Eleanor Garrison. He had brown hair, blue eyes, and was 5'7" tall.
Here is a link to his Findagrave page: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/40754141/leonard-allen-may
The tombstone has the wrong birth year, and he had married again. There is a copy of his obituary, which gives his parents' names.
Are you saying that Robert is your grandfather, and your father was adopted by Robert? Just trying to figure out what you need to know. A Y-DNA test will help you find the last name of your real male ancestral line. If it's an unusual last name, you might be able to do some detective work and find out who was around with that last name at the right time.
I think you underestimate a lot. First of all, as slaveowners were fairly well off, their descendants were more healthy and had lots of descendants. My one slave-owning ancestor, who died 200 years ago, has many thousands of descendants. The book I am writing is over 1,000 pages so far. Practically everyone, black or white, in a multi-county area is related to me.
You would be surprised at how many "poor" people are really into genealogy and do their own research. It doesn't cost that much now. Almost everyone has a cell phone. You get a monthly account with Ancestry and perhaps even get a DNA test, as prices have gone way down. I am finding lots of DNA matches that are helping me to add more lines as well as confirm others. One of my most recent DNA matches is a black guy who apparently lives in a slum in NY. He is so excited about the match and has been messaging me a lot lately.
There are many millions of us who have no recent immigrant ancestors at all. Every line of my ancestry goes back to people who were already here over 200 years ago, many over 300 years ago.
Yes, there were men killed in the Civil War, but the ones who were left more than made up for it. The women left behind either remarried or just had children anyway. I have found a good number of cases of women having children without being married just in my own family. The most recent one I found out about had three children on her own, then married a guy who went to war and died. Her husband died, and he never fathered children that I know of, but she still has descendants down to this day. I know them personally. As far as "young men," you should realize that "old men" can still reproduce, and actually did a lot back then. It has been documented.
I have worked on family trees for many people for little or no pay just to keep in practice. So far, I've found only a very few who only have recent immigrant ancestors. All the rest have multiple lines going back into the 1600s in America, some even to natives.
Yes, there were a lot of immigrants a little over 100 years ago. But then immigration was almost completely stopped for a very long time. Look it up. So I stand by the fact that most Americans have deep roots here.
So... then the native Americans and Irish will be included too?!! I’m guessing this is only to appease a certain group who coincidentally weren’t paid by Soros as promised. This will be their compensation.
Color wars?
Anyone whose ancestor was press ganged into the English Navy, or was sent to a far flung land of the Empire to work an-indentured servitude in the colonies?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servitude_in_British_America
Maybe any one who had an ancestor who was conscripted into any of the allied military over the last 300 years to fight an elites war?
40 acres and a mule? Anything less will never be good enough.
40 acres and a mule was a big lie. That many mules didn't even exist at the time.
I agree with the statements I've read so far. My 2 cents. GET OVER IT. We all have something that we consider opression. Land of opportunity...ring any bells.. Stop enslaving all of us to an out of control huge government that taxes us to the point of slave wages. Next step is they implement a system of telling American's what kind of jobs we must fill. Class systems back in play. Stop. Be an individual. DO NOT DEPEND ON THE GOVERNMENT!
So when will The Plan be put into affect? Maybe after our country, or what's left of it is not more than a heap of ashes.
This makes no fucking sense at all. Why would Trump delay, and allow my loved ones to remain under the spell of the wicked SOBs, that they choose to take a vaccine that may kill them in months. Why would Trump, if he was in control allow our country to be destroyed.
Let me ask you this. If you could come up with an ingenious plan to take over the world, and have the good people do noting, offer no resistance at all, how would you go about it. As for myself, I would have a person just like Q appear to tell everyone not to believe their eyes. I would tell the that sure the election was a total scam, but don't worry we are still in power, so DO NOTHING. Don't believe that the man that was sworn in as president, even thought he is enacting measures that is guaranteed to destroy your country, DO NOTHING.
I hope this is not the ingenious plan. I hope they are not that smart. But If I were going to take control, this is exactly the way I would do it. Give people a sense that everything is going to be fine, even while the flames rise up to consume them.
Lord Jesus come quickly
good Time to invest in a small business, I suggest selling rims.
This and the gun grab will spark CW 2 IMO.
Yeah can I have a bunch of money for the slaving I've had to deal with?? These taxes are heavy AF I could have been retired by now. I DEMAND somebody make it right. Also I IDENTIFY as a slave who worked a good 100 hours a week for years. I want that WITH interest. Thanks.
P.s My reparations are going to buy more guns that I will inevitably lose in a boating accident.
Oh, brilliant! Let’s make people who never owned slaves pay people who never were slaves!
I've checked my ancestry and we have NO history of slave ownership. As those that have had slaves and enjoyed the fruits of their labor, I demand reparations for all of the lost free labor I and my past generations have missed do to others having had their free labor. Where my check at?
The sh-t show train just keeps a rollin' right along
They don’t care about black people, they simply want to create a bigger divide between blacks and whites. What better way? Most whites will turn against blacks, not against the government. The government, in turn, will silence any blacks who are against the bill and the media will crank up the black support of the bill to full volume- this way white people will see it as being caused by black people themselves