My liberal friend smugly pointed out to me that proof of vaccine history is required to enroll your child into school and to fly to certain countries. And this should be up to the restaurant if they require it. My God some people just dont get it!!!
I just assumed cause there are federal laws protecting peoples medical records. One exception is schools for minors needing immunization records, but that's different than a private business. Because schools are government run, they are public sector. And that said, i think its bs that schools require that.
No-ish. First, I'm not defending the request for proof - it's BS, and I agree with u/PeachAndLovePatriot
It's not a violaiton of HIPAA - why? HIPAA covers the medical providers and recipients of PII and health-records. It's a privacy and portability regulation to permit sharing of necessary records among materially-involved parties, as well as the subject party's ability to know and control what is shared.
ADA has a bit more coverage, but only if you can argue that you are being discriminated against on account of a disability, and that would have to be a disability that would prevent use of a mask. In that case, you could still be denied travel, and would have to fight the response in court, and disclose (as evidence) your disability. You'd also have to demonstrate you gave the airline sufficient information to show that their decision was informed and discriminatory.
Bottom line: I can ask. You don't have to tell me. I "can" refuse service.
Now, the tricky part for the businesses becomes "Why can a business be protected in THIS case, but be forced (under 1st and 14th amendments) to bake a cake, provide church services?" THAT'S the slippery-slope they've created with those cases. Good luck, though, getting those entered as cited cases if you're fighting it, because we've all seen how corrupt and poisoned the judiciary has become.
As you reach here: for the record. I have not worn a mask. I refuse to wear a mask. I refuse to patronize businesses that demand masks. I will not fly for this reason.
I am simply stating the lack of actual applicability of HIPAA in this scenario. ADA, marginally, but you've got some burden to prove it. Retail will probably give up when pushed. Airlines will hold firm.
Now, it WOULD be a HIPAA violation if the retailer used your proof-of-vaccine to call the provider/doctor to verify it. Especially if the provider confirmed it - this falls entirely in HIPAA camp, as it involves you (patient) and the provider, who are covered subjects and parties under HIPAA.
Ironically, Seal Beach much like Huntington Beach in the past was looked upon as a "poor mans" Newport Beach. So, once upon a time it was super affordable to purchase a home in Seal Beach and because of that it has a very heavy first responder community made up of Police, Sheriff and Fire Fighters... think "red as red can be." Seal Beach is also one of the safest cities to live in (in regards to population size) along the coast of California.
This store fucked with the wrong community. And they are finding out.
Not my freedom it didn't. I never locked down. I never sheltered in place. I travel when and where I want to go. I will wear a mask to avoid confrontations with the genuinely scared covid cowards, but that is my choice. I take it off whenever I want too.
Nor mine-I don't like confrontations either and when a formerly friendly store (Krogers affiliate) that never said anything about my no mask thing suddenly shows like a memo was sent for employees to enforce compliance (or else) I stopped going; side note here: when I asked the clerk "This is still America isn't it??" she replied " this isn't about freedom, it's about safety" This truly shows the tyranny was effective in its mind set approval...
CDC is a private non-profit organization, NOT a Federal agency. They have as much power to tell you to do something as Corky the Clown. They've cultivated the ILLUSION of having more power because people are too stupid to find out.
Federal agencies do not make law. Federal agencies do not rule over the people. When people finally GET that, this shite will stop. Three branches of government: legislative, judicial, executive. Only one makes law and those laws MUST be constitutional. Long past time to demand these things.
I agree, they are allowed to limit the number of customers they serve based upon arbitrary rules. However, if this becomes standard practice this policy would become quite discriminatory.
Can i put a sign in front of my business that says "Whites only"? Sure, its stupid to do so as you alienate potential customers.
I don’t think so. My sister has worked at a friends restaurant for years and she would get mad because people who’s animals were obviously not service, they were not allowed to ask for any proof because of HIPPA
Did you actually read the article you linked? Go back and look at the sections "Who Must Follow These Laws" and "Who Is Not Required to Follow These Laws."
Its not a HIPAA violation. HIPAA only applies to entities that provided you with medical treatment. Anyone else can ask for them, condition their help on your disclosing them, or publishing them if they found them on the street, and HIPAA wouldn't apply.
Seal beach, ca. Bistro St. Germain
Yelp reviews disabled : https://m.yelp.com/biz/bistro-st-germain-seal-beach
As u/dumb_okie points out, they've taken down their contact us page. https://bistrostgermain.co
they've also taken down their Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/bistrostgermain/
My liberal friend smugly pointed out to me that proof of vaccine history is required to enroll your child into school and to fly to certain countries. And this should be up to the restaurant if they require it. My God some people just dont get it!!!
You should ask them for proof they have a brain.
Is it? Religious exemptions say otherwise.
Yeah, don't disagree at all. I figured you were right that this wasn't US, but since it's CA, it kinda isn't
I just assumed cause there are federal laws protecting peoples medical records. One exception is schools for minors needing immunization records, but that's different than a private business. Because schools are government run, they are public sector. And that said, i think its bs that schools require that.
Your spouse is wrong. HIPAA only applies to covered entities and their business associates. It doesn't apply to anyone or anything else.
Source: I've performed HIPAA security audits on hospitals.
However, the Fourth Amendment trumps all of them and it's long past time to insist on obedience to the Constitution.
No-ish. First, I'm not defending the request for proof - it's BS, and I agree with u/PeachAndLovePatriot
It's not a violaiton of HIPAA - why? HIPAA covers the medical providers and recipients of PII and health-records. It's a privacy and portability regulation to permit sharing of necessary records among materially-involved parties, as well as the subject party's ability to know and control what is shared.
ADA has a bit more coverage, but only if you can argue that you are being discriminated against on account of a disability, and that would have to be a disability that would prevent use of a mask. In that case, you could still be denied travel, and would have to fight the response in court, and disclose (as evidence) your disability. You'd also have to demonstrate you gave the airline sufficient information to show that their decision was informed and discriminatory.
Bottom line: I can ask. You don't have to tell me. I "can" refuse service.
Now, the tricky part for the businesses becomes "Why can a business be protected in THIS case, but be forced (under 1st and 14th amendments) to bake a cake, provide church services?" THAT'S the slippery-slope they've created with those cases. Good luck, though, getting those entered as cited cases if you're fighting it, because we've all seen how corrupt and poisoned the judiciary has become.
As you reach here: for the record. I have not worn a mask. I refuse to wear a mask. I refuse to patronize businesses that demand masks. I will not fly for this reason.
I am simply stating the lack of actual applicability of HIPAA in this scenario. ADA, marginally, but you've got some burden to prove it. Retail will probably give up when pushed. Airlines will hold firm.
Now, it WOULD be a HIPAA violation if the retailer used your proof-of-vaccine to call the provider/doctor to verify it. Especially if the provider confirmed it - this falls entirely in HIPAA camp, as it involves you (patient) and the provider, who are covered subjects and parties under HIPAA.
I guess not since you have a choice to drive.
you'd think since they had to do this, they would rethink their "requirements"
They might find it easier just to take down the sign requiring customers to have a vaccine. Covid cowards.
Ironically, Seal Beach much like Huntington Beach in the past was looked upon as a "poor mans" Newport Beach. So, once upon a time it was super affordable to purchase a home in Seal Beach and because of that it has a very heavy first responder community made up of Police, Sheriff and Fire Fighters... think "red as red can be." Seal Beach is also one of the safest cities to live in (in regards to population size) along the coast of California.
This store fucked with the wrong community. And they are finding out.
St. Germain is an occult/New Age figure. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Medical tyranny that could and did short circuit American freedoms... :(
Not my freedom it didn't. I never locked down. I never sheltered in place. I travel when and where I want to go. I will wear a mask to avoid confrontations with the genuinely scared covid cowards, but that is my choice. I take it off whenever I want too.
Nor mine-I don't like confrontations either and when a formerly friendly store (Krogers affiliate) that never said anything about my no mask thing suddenly shows like a memo was sent for employees to enforce compliance (or else) I stopped going; side note here: when I asked the clerk "This is still America isn't it??" she replied " this isn't about freedom, it's about safety" This truly shows the tyranny was effective in its mind set approval...
Covid cowards. Those that give up liberty for security end up getting neither.
Sure turned me off to medicine.
It says CDC right there...
CDC is a private non-profit organization, NOT a Federal agency. They have as much power to tell you to do something as Corky the Clown. They've cultivated the ILLUSION of having more power because people are too stupid to find out.
TL;DR--Tell'em to fuck right off.
Federal agencies do not make law. Federal agencies do not rule over the people. When people finally GET that, this shite will stop. Three branches of government: legislative, judicial, executive. Only one makes law and those laws MUST be constitutional. Long past time to demand these things.
Ya hear government agents getting royalties for their poisions ever day. Juat as friendly as our wonderful FBI /s
March 4 2021: Deaths, miscarriages etc, “Whistleblower Reveals Many Pregnancy Complications following Experimental COVID Injections – “Vaccine Leaving a Trail of Devastated Mothers” https://archive.vn/spebS Cdc gets Royalties?
Super trustworthy bunch /s
Feb 26 2021 "CDC caught shaving DEATH's from VAERS System!" https://www.bitchute.com/video/IusxOn0sWL59/
July 7 2020: “CDC and WHO Corrupt Financial Entanglements with the Vaccine Industry” https://archive.vn/FASIc
Feb 5, 2010: “Why The WHO Faked A Pandemic” https://archive.vn/ck4Yp
“WHO is a front for these depopulation interests.” July 9 2007: “Jon Rappoport interview of ex vaccine researcher” https://archive.vn/o7u59
Not the point I was making but yes
Ah you were doing sarcasm, weren't you? Dammit, too early in the morning and still on my first cup of coffee. Sorry about that...
I almost fell out of my chair! LOL
And?
HIPAA only applies to healthcare providers. The restaurant is allowed to do something like this, but if they want to go broke I say let them.
I agree, they are allowed to limit the number of customers they serve based upon arbitrary rules. However, if this becomes standard practice this policy would become quite discriminatory.
Can i put a sign in front of my business that says "Whites only"? Sure, its stupid to do so as you alienate potential customers.
I don’t think so. My sister has worked at a friends restaurant for years and she would get mad because people who’s animals were obviously not service, they were not allowed to ask for any proof because of HIPPA
That's not because of HIPAA, its because of ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act).
That falls under “Americans with Disabilities Act”. HIPPA is purely for health care providers.
Wrong. It's federal privacy law.
https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/guidance-materials-for-consumers/index.html
Did you actually read the article you linked? Go back and look at the sections "Who Must Follow These Laws" and "Who Is Not Required to Follow These Laws."
Not to be a dick but your link proves what I just said.
Its not a HIPAA violation. HIPAA only applies to entities that provided you with medical treatment. Anyone else can ask for them, condition their help on your disclosing them, or publishing them if they found them on the street, and HIPAA wouldn't apply.