As you said, we do have a Bill of Rights in America. However, (1) unless our public servants obey their oaths of office and protect our rights, (2) we hold them absolutely and immediately accountable when they do not by recall or indictment, and (3) forcefully but not necessarily violently insist on our rights, we have nothing. In a Constitutional Republic, we, the people, were always meant to be very active and responsible participants in our government at all levels. That most think that their duty is only to vote shows how successful our marxist/communist "education" has been.
Unfortunately we've already been defanged when they took our guns and the rights to bare arms, it is a steep uphill battle to get power back from politicians and we weren't even able to put our 2 cents in because the people its affecting now just weren't born by the time this happened
Have you read Australia's? No we don't actually have freedom of speech the same way you do, its closer to the Canadian or u.k. I have looked and unless you can show the direct applicable parts to my yourself I don't think you're correct
The US Constitution doesn't grant any rights. It presumes the rights are pre-existing and granted by God. All the Constitution does is prohibit the government from infringing on those rights.
In Australia you have the same rights granted by the same God. Your Constitution may not be as explicit in prohibiting government violation of those rights, but that does not mean the rights don't exist.
This ^ exactly. The rights of man are unalienable. They cannot be separated from the man and are not granted by a government or any entity other than God-nature.
Sorry, Australians, it's time you people and the Canadians, the British and the New Zealanders began to take yourselves seriously and realize that you need to rise up and be the free people you really are and quit playing the helpless baby-victim role. Sure, if push comes to shove America will help you but all of you need to play a more serious, more intelligent game than you are doing at present.
So why did the revolution happen if they are God given?
You can wax philosophical all you want but it doesn't translate to the reality of the situation
Nor did I claim the constitution was what we want/need but a bill of rights. We have a constitution but it isn't like yours and we haven't fought for one which seems to be the only avenue available at this point even though we have no guns or the ability to get guns without becoming criminals.
All this is easy to say while in america or otherwise outside of Australia. If its so easy, come here and become a legend
The first 10 Amendments were second thoughts. They were put in to reinforce the notion that blessings (i.e., rights) bestowed on the people by God are not to be taken away by the government. This is implicit in the articles of the U.S. Constitution, but some founders felt a need to give it explicit expression.
So the Bill of Rights is not technically necessary, since everything flows from the premise of people processing unalienable rights.
No, not all Commonwealth countries have the same constitutions at all. NZ and UK are in sharp contrast to AUS.
Your laws are only as good as those enforcing it. You can have all the Bill of Rights you like. Is it being upheld in the US? No more than anywhere else.
People moan about the gun issue. It's not even remotely the same thing as the US. The countries were form completely differently. Why on earth should every country have the same structure? It's culturally illogical.
You can still own weapons in Australia. Yes, there are licenses, but there's also less in circulation with criminals. If the US authorities wish to take your weapons, guess what? They will. You can "they won't take muh guns" all you like, but they will sneak in like a thief in the night and do it. You're out gunned regardless when it comes to defense against the military. See point 2.
Freedom of speech? Australia has fairly decent implied freedom of speech laws, the UK is not Australia. Where is the US's freedom of speech right now? How is that being upheld? They have ways, very, very viable ways to circumvent 1A. People have just grown to passively accept that "Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences" and ergo, have in turn come to accept that freedom from consequences means if you say shit, you get hit and then your Soros backed DA will make sure you don't get charged for your crime, yet you go and protest an illegal election and you sure as shit DO understand those consequences.
Besides, I didn't say go do your research, I said be informed. There's a leaning I've seen towards victimhood in people here. Like "my state, my country etc isn't as great as ____". Yet if you look at the application unilaterally, how are the laws really being applied? See point 2, again.
Agree with you,magaprincess,those are very good points you have layed out there.
Getting firearms in Australia is not that hard,sure there are some hoops to jump through,but they aren't that bad.Check the relevant legislation in your state.
You can still get very decent rifles.A good example is Australia's favourite,the 303,
the MK 3 S,M,LE.(Short,Magazine,Lee Enfield)Also British And Canadian No4 Lee Enfields.
Investigate the cost of recalibrating to 7.62 NATO or for less recoil,243,6.5 Creedmor.The Lee Enfield has a fast,smooth bolt action.Google"Mad Minute"
for rate of fire that can be achieved.
There are many firearms you can legally own and use in Australia.
Good point. If you consider it though, why become a powerless martyr sitting in a tyrant’s jail. What’s in a name? Carry it like a banner of Anons. Anons means no name known. It’s the words and deeds that give it power. And don’t forget to decree it under God as your UNALIENABLE RIGHTS!!!
I suppose the main hurdle to cross is authority
"Who gave you the authority to just will into existence a bill.of rights for a country"
I may have to look further into it but I dont even know what I dont know in terms of vocabulary to search for to find the information to create a bill of rights without violence or violent revolution... down the rabbit hole I go
Its fucking annoying but we dont have a bill of rights in Australia so we essentially don't have freedoms, atleast not like America.
Would be great to get one though
As you said, we do have a Bill of Rights in America. However, (1) unless our public servants obey their oaths of office and protect our rights, (2) we hold them absolutely and immediately accountable when they do not by recall or indictment, and (3) forcefully but not necessarily violently insist on our rights, we have nothing. In a Constitutional Republic, we, the people, were always meant to be very active and responsible participants in our government at all levels. That most think that their duty is only to vote shows how successful our marxist/communist "education" has been.
Unfortunately we've already been defanged when they took our guns and the rights to bare arms, it is a steep uphill battle to get power back from politicians and we weren't even able to put our 2 cents in because the people its affecting now just weren't born by the time this happened
I would advise you to go and read both Australia's and the US's and see their applications. You have as many rights as Americans do. Be informed.
Have you read Australia's? No we don't actually have freedom of speech the same way you do, its closer to the Canadian or u.k. I have looked and unless you can show the direct applicable parts to my yourself I don't think you're correct
The US Constitution doesn't grant any rights. It presumes the rights are pre-existing and granted by God. All the Constitution does is prohibit the government from infringing on those rights.
In Australia you have the same rights granted by the same God. Your Constitution may not be as explicit in prohibiting government violation of those rights, but that does not mean the rights don't exist.
This ^ exactly. The rights of man are unalienable. They cannot be separated from the man and are not granted by a government or any entity other than God-nature.
Sorry, Australians, it's time you people and the Canadians, the British and the New Zealanders began to take yourselves seriously and realize that you need to rise up and be the free people you really are and quit playing the helpless baby-victim role. Sure, if push comes to shove America will help you but all of you need to play a more serious, more intelligent game than you are doing at present.
So why did the revolution happen if they are God given? You can wax philosophical all you want but it doesn't translate to the reality of the situation Nor did I claim the constitution was what we want/need but a bill of rights. We have a constitution but it isn't like yours and we haven't fought for one which seems to be the only avenue available at this point even though we have no guns or the ability to get guns without becoming criminals.
All this is easy to say while in america or otherwise outside of Australia. If its so easy, come here and become a legend
See my above post. Stop worshipping the US and understand the application of laws are not unilateral.
So you have nothing to show but belittling me by assuming I worship the u.s... blow it out your ass
The first 10 Amendments were second thoughts. They were put in to reinforce the notion that blessings (i.e., rights) bestowed on the people by God are not to be taken away by the government. This is implicit in the articles of the U.S. Constitution, but some founders felt a need to give it explicit expression.
So the Bill of Rights is not technically necessary, since everything flows from the premise of people processing unalienable rights.
Here are the issues :
No, not all Commonwealth countries have the same constitutions at all. NZ and UK are in sharp contrast to AUS.
Your laws are only as good as those enforcing it. You can have all the Bill of Rights you like. Is it being upheld in the US? No more than anywhere else.
People moan about the gun issue. It's not even remotely the same thing as the US. The countries were form completely differently. Why on earth should every country have the same structure? It's culturally illogical.
You can still own weapons in Australia. Yes, there are licenses, but there's also less in circulation with criminals. If the US authorities wish to take your weapons, guess what? They will. You can "they won't take muh guns" all you like, but they will sneak in like a thief in the night and do it. You're out gunned regardless when it comes to defense against the military. See point 2.
Freedom of speech? Australia has fairly decent implied freedom of speech laws, the UK is not Australia. Where is the US's freedom of speech right now? How is that being upheld? They have ways, very, very viable ways to circumvent 1A. People have just grown to passively accept that "Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences" and ergo, have in turn come to accept that freedom from consequences means if you say shit, you get hit and then your Soros backed DA will make sure you don't get charged for your crime, yet you go and protest an illegal election and you sure as shit DO understand those consequences.
Besides, I didn't say go do your research, I said be informed. There's a leaning I've seen towards victimhood in people here. Like "my state, my country etc isn't as great as ____". Yet if you look at the application unilaterally, how are the laws really being applied? See point 2, again.
Agree with you,magaprincess,those are very good points you have layed out there.
Getting firearms in Australia is not that hard,sure there are some hoops to jump through,but they aren't that bad.Check the relevant legislation in your state.
You can still get very decent rifles.A good example is Australia's favourite,the 303, the MK 3 S,M,LE.(Short,Magazine,Lee Enfield)Also British And Canadian No4 Lee Enfields.
Investigate the cost of recalibrating to 7.62 NATO or for less recoil,243,6.5 Creedmor.The Lee Enfield has a fast,smooth bolt action.Google"Mad Minute" for rate of fire that can be achieved.
There are many firearms you can legally own and use in Australia.
Start drafting one with your frens? Use ours as an outline. ?. Sign it using pen-names like, “Alexander Hamilton” etc?!!
Would signing it with a pen name not discredit it as viable since technically no one actually signed it?
I wonder if it is so simple as to draft one and sign it and have people make it law
And yes it IS THAT SIMPLE, if it’s an honorable document.
Could you link me to where it says that so I have a starting place? I'm jumping in well past my abilities on this one
We've got it simpleeeeee Cause we've got the bill of rights
Good point. If you consider it though, why become a powerless martyr sitting in a tyrant’s jail. What’s in a name? Carry it like a banner of Anons. Anons means no name known. It’s the words and deeds that give it power. And don’t forget to decree it under God as your UNALIENABLE RIGHTS!!!
I suppose the main hurdle to cross is authority "Who gave you the authority to just will into existence a bill.of rights for a country"
I may have to look further into it but I dont even know what I dont know in terms of vocabulary to search for to find the information to create a bill of rights without violence or violent revolution... down the rabbit hole I go
Amend it. Start a movement.