I'd like to see the original source for this claim. Can't find it from AP which is who this article is claiming to quote. I am also unable to locate it from the Florida Dept of Health (they claim that the comms director said this).
Sounds like someone made up a number and is running with it since they didnt even put it in quotes.
We need better sources people. Just because TampaFP reports it doesn't make it reliable.
I don't doubt the number though, I just want a source to back up my claims if I were to go out repeating this info.
**The more we lose credibility, more people will refuse to listen and more people will die. Not trying to be a dick, but I'd like to get this info from the primary or at least a secondary source.
**
I’ve spent the past hour trying to dig up more data but the results are all over the place. 37% vax rate in Florida to 67% and everything in between. CDC doesn’t have it. Hospitalizations for covid cases at “record numbers” but most are nursing home patients, I’ve read. Well, wouldn’t they hospitalize someone who was elderly if they had flu symptoms, to err on the side of caution? They’ve been mostly vaccinated. So have their healthcare workers. So I can only deduce the majority of hospitalized patients have been vax’d, like this article states. This is a conservative learning news outlet. Few and far between. I’d think they’d have the truth over any of the multitude of left leaning ones who are trying to push an agenda.
They’re trying to demonize DeSantis for not making mandates for both vax and masks but they’re not talking about how he’s even stated this is our flu season. This is what happens every year when people congregate indoors in Florida due to the heat. This is our winter. What are the real numbers of annual flu/colds this time of year compared to the so-called delta variant (which, they’ve never been able to isolate the covid 19 virus so how do they know this is a variant and it the annual flu? )
I’m fine with anyone criticizing the post but if you’re that knowledge about the data, by all means share it with us. I can’t get it yet. I welcome anything.
They’re suppressing data and lying about actual hospitalization rates. I read one article about how icu beds are at 80% capacity. They always are. The hospitals strive to keep beds filled or they lose money. Same with nursing homes. Omg they’re nearing 100% capacity!!! The horror of it! People on vents? Yes, there are always some people on vents.
Just keep an open mind. Don’t shoot the messenger when the messenger is on the same page as you are. Offer anything you have. That’s always appreciated. Do you want this to be a ghost town or a place where info is shared about the massive lie we’re being subjected to?
Didn't mean to sound like a dick, we're all aiming for the same goal. Honestly, in this age of disinformation it really wouldn't matter what data there is to back any of this up.
Your analysis of the icu beds is spot on IMO tho. I had to explain to someone the other day that having less than 20% of ICU beds available is exactly how it's supposed to be. I mean I hate the med industrial complex as much as anyone, but it simply isn't financially responsible to have 100 doctors in a place where they only regularly see a few patients. We all gotta stay profitable.
I wasn't insulting you at all tho fren :) I am just highly skeptical of any new information since every source seems to contradict one another. We need as much info to sift through as possible to get to the truth so thank you!
"Six percent of Florida’s COVID-19 cases in the past month have been among vaccinated individuals, Weesam Khoury, spokesperson for the state Department of Health, said in an emailed statement last week."
This is a polar opposite. Granted while I think this is BS numbers (because they are changing the thresholds / not testing vaccinated to skew the results), the point i'm trying to make is that it looks like someone is changing what the spokesperson said. I think this is purposeful misinformation to discredit us.
This recent CDC study shows 74% of cases are amongst vaccinated in a population with 69% vaccination rate. It shows that 4/5 of the hospitalization cases were vaccination (and the one unvaccinated person had underlying conditions). It shows that the viral load (ability to transmit to others) between vaccinated and unvaccinated is similar.
"Third, demographics of cases likely reflect those of attendees at the public gatherings, as events were marketed to adult male participants; further study is underway to identify other population characteristics among cases, such as additional demographic characteristics and underlying health conditions including immunocompromising conditions.*** "
I've also been reading that those hospitalizations of those that are vaccinated are within the first couple days post vaccination before the vaccine would even have full efficacy.
They wouldn't count as vaccinated if they are following CDC guidelines:
Fully vaccinated was defined as ≥14 days after completion of state
immunization registry–documented COVID-19 vaccination as recommended
by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.
I'd like to see the original source for this claim. Can't find it from AP which is who this article is claiming to quote. I am also unable to locate it from the Florida Dept of Health (they claim that the comms director said this).
Sounds like someone made up a number and is running with it since they didnt even put it in quotes.
We need better sources people. Just because TampaFP reports it doesn't make it reliable.
I don't doubt the number though, I just want a source to back up my claims if I were to go out repeating this info.
**The more we lose credibility, more people will refuse to listen and more people will die. Not trying to be a dick, but I'd like to get this info from the primary or at least a secondary source. **
So would I.
I’ve spent the past hour trying to dig up more data but the results are all over the place. 37% vax rate in Florida to 67% and everything in between. CDC doesn’t have it. Hospitalizations for covid cases at “record numbers” but most are nursing home patients, I’ve read. Well, wouldn’t they hospitalize someone who was elderly if they had flu symptoms, to err on the side of caution? They’ve been mostly vaccinated. So have their healthcare workers. So I can only deduce the majority of hospitalized patients have been vax’d, like this article states. This is a conservative learning news outlet. Few and far between. I’d think they’d have the truth over any of the multitude of left leaning ones who are trying to push an agenda.
They’re trying to demonize DeSantis for not making mandates for both vax and masks but they’re not talking about how he’s even stated this is our flu season. This is what happens every year when people congregate indoors in Florida due to the heat. This is our winter. What are the real numbers of annual flu/colds this time of year compared to the so-called delta variant (which, they’ve never been able to isolate the covid 19 virus so how do they know this is a variant and it the annual flu? )
I’m fine with anyone criticizing the post but if you’re that knowledge about the data, by all means share it with us. I can’t get it yet. I welcome anything.
They’re suppressing data and lying about actual hospitalization rates. I read one article about how icu beds are at 80% capacity. They always are. The hospitals strive to keep beds filled or they lose money. Same with nursing homes. Omg they’re nearing 100% capacity!!! The horror of it! People on vents? Yes, there are always some people on vents.
Just keep an open mind. Don’t shoot the messenger when the messenger is on the same page as you are. Offer anything you have. That’s always appreciated. Do you want this to be a ghost town or a place where info is shared about the massive lie we’re being subjected to?
I'm with you brotha. And I don't doubt the 6%.
Didn't mean to sound like a dick, we're all aiming for the same goal. Honestly, in this age of disinformation it really wouldn't matter what data there is to back any of this up.
Your analysis of the icu beds is spot on IMO tho. I had to explain to someone the other day that having less than 20% of ICU beds available is exactly how it's supposed to be. I mean I hate the med industrial complex as much as anyone, but it simply isn't financially responsible to have 100 doctors in a place where they only regularly see a few patients. We all gotta stay profitable.
I wasn't insulting you at all tho fren :) I am just highly skeptical of any new information since every source seems to contradict one another. We need as much info to sift through as possible to get to the truth so thank you!
Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much. I really appreciate what you wrote more than you know, fren.
I found this from about a week ago:
"Six percent of Florida’s COVID-19 cases in the past month have been among vaccinated individuals, Weesam Khoury, spokesperson for the state Department of Health, said in an emailed statement last week."
This is a polar opposite. Granted while I think this is BS numbers (because they are changing the thresholds / not testing vaccinated to skew the results), the point i'm trying to make is that it looks like someone is changing what the spokesperson said. I think this is purposeful misinformation to discredit us.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/covid-19-cases-spiking-again-100300574.html
EDIT:
A FAR better example is CDC report: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7031e2-H.pdf
This recent CDC study shows 74% of cases are amongst vaccinated in a population with 69% vaccination rate. It shows that 4/5 of the hospitalization cases were vaccination (and the one unvaccinated person had underlying conditions). It shows that the viral load (ability to transmit to others) between vaccinated and unvaccinated is similar.
Note that CDC is up to its old tricks again, lumping together "not fully vaccinated" and "unknowns" into the "unvaccinated" category.
Yep. If they didn't ask 10% of the people, then those are all basically counted as unvaccinated. Which is just plain dishonest.
I just noticed this in the MMWR article:
"Third, demographics of cases likely reflect those of attendees at the public gatherings, as events were marketed to adult male participants; further study is underway to identify other population characteristics among cases, such as additional demographic characteristics and underlying health conditions including immunocompromising conditions.*** "
So, do you think this was a Gay Pride thing?
I heard on the radio a few days ago that someone make a statement about this, and then later said the opposite and that the original was a mistake.
I don't remember which was which, because I was only casually listening, and it caught my attention almost after the fact.
So, it needs to be looked into more, for sure.
That was UK stating 60% of hospitalizations were vaccinated, then "correcting" to 60% of hospitalizations were unvaccinated.
I've also been reading that those hospitalizations of those that are vaccinated are within the first couple days post vaccination before the vaccine would even have full efficacy.
They wouldn't count as vaccinated if they are following CDC guidelines:
Fully vaccinated was defined as ≥14 days after completion of state immunization registry–documented COVID-19 vaccination as recommended by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7031e2-H.pdf
You are correct, I should have said after receiving the vaccine and not vaccinated.
I'll bet it's 100% vaccinated. They didn't want to really scare all the vaxxed.
I think the sick vaxxed people aren't hospitalized for Covid-19. I think they're really being hospitalized for the jab side-effects.