Ironically, I had a similar situation, only from the right. I'm a staunch MAGA America First person now. However, I used to think I had to choose a side, R or D. At first blush I thought Trump stood no chance in hell. Too rough around the edges and insulting, blah, blah, blah. As he started taking out one R after another, winnowing down 17 other candidates, I was like holy shit, this dude is the boss! I went from hating his persona to absolutely loving it.
About that time, someone shared the George Carlin video, "The Big Club" with me. That shit woke me up in a heartbeat. I realized that the two party system was a complete lie. It's one of those things where once you see it, you can't un-see it. Its a permanent understanding.
Then the 2016 RNC convention came up. And, guess who wasn't there? No former Republican presidents or Republican presidential nominees, except for Bob Dole. That means, no Bushes, no Romney, no McCain, none of them. Even John Kasich, the current Republican governor of OH at the time (the convention was held in Cleveland, OH) wasn't there.
I was like holy shit! The Big Club is definitely real. The R's are trying to sink the People's choice for Republican nominee for president.
It confirmed for me that we are run by a one party system with the illusion of choice. Even if we had two legitimate parties, we still wouldn't get to choose our candidate, the parties choose their candidate and only then we get to vote. See your Bernie experience above. The party chose Hillary, even though the people wanted Bernie.
When I voted for Trump in 2016 I voted for the biggest bull in the china shop the world has ever seen. Did we ever get that. He shattered the illusion of the two party system once and for all. Thanks to 2020 we now see how corrupt our elections are. How corrupt our media is. How corrupt our big businesses are. And how corrupt big tech is.
The curtain has been pulled back once and for all.
To save our country both Democrats and RINOs must be destroyed.
I've watched every rally streamed and some in person since 2016. When asked why I would watch so many rallies when the speeches were pretty close to the same, depending on how close to each other they were, I would say emphatically, "Because we will NEVER see a politician like this again! It's living history and we get to see it live before our eyes." I still feel the same way, just watched the Iowa rally this past weekend and will always tune in.
I will say, if you haven't already, do your best to attend a rally in person. They are epic and you can't imagine the energy and enthusiasm you get from being surrounded by so many Patriotic Americans.
To me, one of the greatest 2016 highlights was when Trump went to a rally in LA. The protesters shut down the highways so that Trump couldn't get to the rally. Trump, with his Secret Service detail, got out of his SUV, jumped a concrete highway barrier, and made it by foot to the venue to speak. It was fucking epic. I knew right then in that moment that nothing, and I mean nothing, was going to stop TRUMP.
That's also why I feel so confident now. When Trump says the truth will come out, hang in there. I know he knows what's coming. And that's why I know NCSWIC.
As for watching the 2016 debates, it never got much better than when Trump went after the Republican Party choice of "Jeb!" Which, by the way, is the stupidest freaking thing the consultants ever came up with. When you have to add an exclamation point to a candidate's name, you know right then and there that the candidate has no natural enthusiasm.
Haha, man I am exactly like you. I was so devastated when that Bitch cheated Bernie. I was more interested in the candidates than the political process, so the transition to Trump was easy for me.
Hmm, growing up I had learnt about the horrors of communism from my father's first hand experiences, but I did not see the link between socialism and totalitarianism at the time. I do remember being somewhat sympathetic towards socialism. I was like 14 at the time, I guess it was just a phase.
Nah... I think people of certain age groups have been indifferent for awhile. Realizing politicians were corrupt. Bernie appealed to a lot of people because he genuinely seemed like he was for the people. Socialism never would’ve happened. His appeal was being different. When the DNC chose Hilary, it woke a lot of people up. Then along cake Trump. He’s not your typical RINO, so people who were still looking for that something different interests got peaked. I’ve always wondered what would’ve happened if it was Bernie v Trump?
The thing about socialism is that it is good. The basic precepts are to take care of those that cannot take care of themselves. Widows, orphans, handicapped people should be cared for. Now one should starve because they cannot provide for themselves. That concept has been corrupted to coddle the lazy and stupid. That isn't socialism, that is power obtained through bribery. Our nation adopted some socialist ideas to care for those that couldn't care for themselves. This was and is a good thing. It staved off the ruthless robber barons of old and prevented the whole country from sliding into communism or full blown socialism. Any pure economic system has fatal flaws. Our combination of the systems is why we have had success. The problem is corruption and ignorance/stupidity. Logic, reason and humanity must be exercised properly to prevent the devolution of our system. We allowed the balance to be upset and now we stand on the brink of collapse. We have to rebalance the systems and purge the saboteurs.
Isn't it beautiful how a good solid redpill moment is like a domino effect? Afterwards, everything else you observe or remember starts to piece together until BOOM you are on the other side of the river wondering why your undies are soaking wet but your pants are dry...
I had a similar trajectory. I was a Bernie true believer, but in my defense he had some ok talking points on NAFTA and TPP. It turns out he was full of shit but I was with some buddies after watching them cheat Bernie in broad daylight and we said, "Maybe we should check Trump out. That seems to be where the real movement is happening."
I had a short stint working for an Establishment Dem campaign after all of that. I actually used the phrase "Social Justice" in my interview. I still cringe.
It took about a month or two for me to see just how nasty they were. How they talked about their voters. How brazen they were with lying about people. I watched them sling some shit at a former military person knowing damn well it was bullshit, demeaning his service. Basically calling him a coward. It was horrible.
I watched them tell pensioners that the fund was broke, expect to lose your benefits, and Obama said it wasn't politically expedient to push a bail out. Their entire attitude was "Well yeah, we are fucking you over, but what are you gonna do, vote for Trump?"
It turns out that is exactly what they did. Trumps pitch was, "What do you have to lose?"
Trump delivered on all the promises they kept making year after year with no intent of coming through. I don't regret my time in Bernie land because I got to see the country in a way most people don't campaigning across 10 states and most importantly, because even though she cheated we put a dent in the Side of Beef's momentum and I will never feel bad about that.
Remember when they called us 400 lb basement dwellers?
I remember seeing people who were still working on Bernie acting like it was already over saying it's vote blue no matter who. When I said, fuck that, under no circumstances does she get my vote, they panicked. Their coding was not ready for that. I remember telling some of her supporters, "President Trump thanks you for your service" before the DNC shitshow.
They laughed and laughed and sneered. They were so damn smug and insufferable
They weren't so smug on election day. How sweet it was.
The Michael Moore speech was so odd, because it was very effective. He had to know what he was doing when he put that out.
What was your red pill moment, rooftoptendie?
I'm curious what got you out of a 20 year hell.
Thanks for sharing!
Ironically, I had a similar situation, only from the right. I'm a staunch MAGA America First person now. However, I used to think I had to choose a side, R or D. At first blush I thought Trump stood no chance in hell. Too rough around the edges and insulting, blah, blah, blah. As he started taking out one R after another, winnowing down 17 other candidates, I was like holy shit, this dude is the boss! I went from hating his persona to absolutely loving it.
About that time, someone shared the George Carlin video, "The Big Club" with me. That shit woke me up in a heartbeat. I realized that the two party system was a complete lie. It's one of those things where once you see it, you can't un-see it. Its a permanent understanding.
Then the 2016 RNC convention came up. And, guess who wasn't there? No former Republican presidents or Republican presidential nominees, except for Bob Dole. That means, no Bushes, no Romney, no McCain, none of them. Even John Kasich, the current Republican governor of OH at the time (the convention was held in Cleveland, OH) wasn't there.
I was like holy shit! The Big Club is definitely real. The R's are trying to sink the People's choice for Republican nominee for president.
It confirmed for me that we are run by a one party system with the illusion of choice. Even if we had two legitimate parties, we still wouldn't get to choose our candidate, the parties choose their candidate and only then we get to vote. See your Bernie experience above. The party chose Hillary, even though the people wanted Bernie.
When I voted for Trump in 2016 I voted for the biggest bull in the china shop the world has ever seen. Did we ever get that. He shattered the illusion of the two party system once and for all. Thanks to 2020 we now see how corrupt our elections are. How corrupt our media is. How corrupt our big businesses are. And how corrupt big tech is.
The curtain has been pulled back once and for all.
To save our country both Democrats and RINOs must be destroyed.
u/#Ridetofreedom
I've watched every rally streamed and some in person since 2016. When asked why I would watch so many rallies when the speeches were pretty close to the same, depending on how close to each other they were, I would say emphatically, "Because we will NEVER see a politician like this again! It's living history and we get to see it live before our eyes." I still feel the same way, just watched the Iowa rally this past weekend and will always tune in.
I will say, if you haven't already, do your best to attend a rally in person. They are epic and you can't imagine the energy and enthusiasm you get from being surrounded by so many Patriotic Americans.
To me, one of the greatest 2016 highlights was when Trump went to a rally in LA. The protesters shut down the highways so that Trump couldn't get to the rally. Trump, with his Secret Service detail, got out of his SUV, jumped a concrete highway barrier, and made it by foot to the venue to speak. It was fucking epic. I knew right then in that moment that nothing, and I mean nothing, was going to stop TRUMP.
That's also why I feel so confident now. When Trump says the truth will come out, hang in there. I know he knows what's coming. And that's why I know NCSWIC.
As for watching the 2016 debates, it never got much better than when Trump went after the Republican Party choice of "Jeb!" Which, by the way, is the stupidest freaking thing the consultants ever came up with. When you have to add an exclamation point to a candidate's name, you know right then and there that the candidate has no natural enthusiasm.
u/#pleaseclap
Haha, man I am exactly like you. I was so devastated when that Bitch cheated Bernie. I was more interested in the candidates than the political process, so the transition to Trump was easy for me.
That was not a fun time, but it did teach me a valuable lesson on corruption, media dishonesty, and voter fraud.
I'm genuinely curious. Did you at one point think socialism was a good thing?
Hmm, growing up I had learnt about the horrors of communism from my father's first hand experiences, but I did not see the link between socialism and totalitarianism at the time. I do remember being somewhat sympathetic towards socialism. I was like 14 at the time, I guess it was just a phase.
Nah... I think people of certain age groups have been indifferent for awhile. Realizing politicians were corrupt. Bernie appealed to a lot of people because he genuinely seemed like he was for the people. Socialism never would’ve happened. His appeal was being different. When the DNC chose Hilary, it woke a lot of people up. Then along cake Trump. He’s not your typical RINO, so people who were still looking for that something different interests got peaked. I’ve always wondered what would’ve happened if it was Bernie v Trump?
The thing about socialism is that it is good. The basic precepts are to take care of those that cannot take care of themselves. Widows, orphans, handicapped people should be cared for. Now one should starve because they cannot provide for themselves. That concept has been corrupted to coddle the lazy and stupid. That isn't socialism, that is power obtained through bribery. Our nation adopted some socialist ideas to care for those that couldn't care for themselves. This was and is a good thing. It staved off the ruthless robber barons of old and prevented the whole country from sliding into communism or full blown socialism. Any pure economic system has fatal flaws. Our combination of the systems is why we have had success. The problem is corruption and ignorance/stupidity. Logic, reason and humanity must be exercised properly to prevent the devolution of our system. We allowed the balance to be upset and now we stand on the brink of collapse. We have to rebalance the systems and purge the saboteurs.
Isn't it beautiful how a good solid redpill moment is like a domino effect? Afterwards, everything else you observe or remember starts to piece together until BOOM you are on the other side of the river wondering why your undies are soaking wet but your pants are dry...
I had a similar trajectory. I was a Bernie true believer, but in my defense he had some ok talking points on NAFTA and TPP. It turns out he was full of shit but I was with some buddies after watching them cheat Bernie in broad daylight and we said, "Maybe we should check Trump out. That seems to be where the real movement is happening."
I had a short stint working for an Establishment Dem campaign after all of that. I actually used the phrase "Social Justice" in my interview. I still cringe.
It took about a month or two for me to see just how nasty they were. How they talked about their voters. How brazen they were with lying about people. I watched them sling some shit at a former military person knowing damn well it was bullshit, demeaning his service. Basically calling him a coward. It was horrible.
I watched them tell pensioners that the fund was broke, expect to lose your benefits, and Obama said it wasn't politically expedient to push a bail out. Their entire attitude was "Well yeah, we are fucking you over, but what are you gonna do, vote for Trump?"
It turns out that is exactly what they did. Trumps pitch was, "What do you have to lose?"
Trump delivered on all the promises they kept making year after year with no intent of coming through. I don't regret my time in Bernie land because I got to see the country in a way most people don't campaigning across 10 states and most importantly, because even though she cheated we put a dent in the Side of Beef's momentum and I will never feel bad about that.
Remember when they called us 400 lb basement dwellers?
I remember seeing people who were still working on Bernie acting like it was already over saying it's vote blue no matter who. When I said, fuck that, under no circumstances does she get my vote, they panicked. Their coding was not ready for that. I remember telling some of her supporters, "President Trump thanks you for your service" before the DNC shitshow.
They laughed and laughed and sneered. They were so damn smug and insufferable
They weren't so smug on election day. How sweet it was.
The Michael Moore speech was so odd, because it was very effective. He had to know what he was doing when he put that out.
This is the best comment thread I can recall reading here.
Lovin it!
Happened to me aswell early on it seems to be common when people actually hear trump speak and not what the media says he said