I've said this for years now. The only reason AU and EU don't go full Venezuela style authoritarian killing in the streets, secret police, the whole deal is they fear US intervention. The only reason the US is still a possible threat of intervention is because of 2A. They can't figure out how to deal with 30-50 million armed citizens without burning the whole damn world to the ground and half of them(the elites) dying in the process.
If they had full control they wouldn't need to spin narratives and spew propaganda. They lie to us because they fear us. They fear us because we are armed.
Estimates are closer to 150 million total armed citizens. Keep in mind that number is based off NICS and does not account for gun kits, family heirlooms and 3D printed/home smithed firearms.
Incorrect... I'm talking 16-35 year old military aged people ready to fight and die. That number is a lot lower than "gun owners". I'm 51 with a bad knee, high blood pressure, obese, etc etc... I wouldn't last a month in a real war. I'd barely be useful as support personnel. I'm a liability the instant my bad back goes out which wouldn't take very long.
All the best intentions in the world don't change that reality. Just because I might own a gun and I'm willing to fight doesn't mean I'm useful... other than I might have extra ammo/weapons to throw into the pool... and/or food.
With a population of 300-400 mil you aren't going to find more than 50 million people in all of North America that would be willing to fight and truly able to do it. That is still an insane number of people, and there are more than enough weapons and ammo in civilian hands to arm 50 million. Probably twice.
I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but what the fuck are we going to do? We don't know the true extent to how compromised the military is. And what will the regular people do? Rent commercial aircraft and basically organize a citizen invasion force?
I used to think the same, but I’ve had my mind changed just by simply asking questions and listening to others. There is more going on behind the scenes than we know.
What you are missing is this... here in the USA they can't use the military to fight civilians. Think about it... the guy that built your tank/truck or grew you're food... the wielder, the farmer, the factory worker... that's who you will be shooting at. So even if the military was willing to fight us its a no win situation. There will be no replacement tank/plane. When those bombs/missiles in the ammo bunker have all been dropped no one is going to drive up in a truck and deliver more. You blew up the truck driver 3 weeks ago. The factory worker the week before.
In theory casualties would be insane. A million police and military with planes and tanks etc could easily kill 2-10 million people in mere months. But when the jet fuel runs out... the bombs run out... the tanks run out of fuel and ammo, etc etc... then its 20 million guys with rifles fighting 1 million guys with rifles. And the 1 million guys just killed several million of the 20 millions friends/family in horrible ways.
Every US military commander regardless of their politics and loyalties understands this. Wars are fought not just with men and guns they are fought with logistics and supply lines. If you're shooting the guy that grows the food you are doomed to failure. And after months of abusing them when you do finally fail there will be no quarter given. You won't get to walk away. They know this. That's why they will never ever start that fight.
They need you to disarm and give up. Anything else is a suicide mission.
As far as other countries like say Australia goes... the US has a LONG history of civilians on their own dime joining wars. Lets' say AU goes full retard and then a rebellion of sorts starts up. People in the USA collect up tens of thousands of guns load them on a tramp freighter and sneak into AU. They might bring food or medical supplies as well. Worse we might have an election that even with them cheating we take 300+ seats in the house plus POTUS then we formally declare war on the AU puppet regime etc.
Its not about what actually will happen. Most of these scenarios are unlikely. Its about the fact they don't have enough control to guarantee it. If they go too far too fast without total control they might blow the whole thing.
The whole point is they want control over us. Yet the most powerful country with the most guns and the best technology is the one place they have the least control. Their control over us is VERY fragile. At any moment we could simply swat them away like the bugs they are. Their power is just an illusion. Its all based on lies and shell games. They are "in charge" mostly because their media mouthpieces SAY they are in charge.
When the guns come out they are nothing. They(their civilian support, antifa/BLM etc) are at most 2-5 million strong, poorly armed, and poorly trained. Do the math. If the military splits evenly that means roughly 1 million police and military on each side but we have 50 million highly effective civilians and they have 5 mil of meh. They don't want that fight... not until they have taken away our guns. If we are helpless and can't fight back we will give in. As long as we are armed we won't give up.
I think there is one other fact you aren't paying attention too.
25,903,000 That's the population of AU. Military is "total numbering 81,214 personnel (including 57,982 regulars and 23,232 reservists)". So when I say 200k AU citizens and 200k USA citizens together well armed with US guns would probibly kick the crap out of the AU military I'm not joking.
All of this assumes 100% of the military goes along with shooting civilians. The likely scenario is they would need to bring in foreign troops like Chinese to keep control over the population. That's how Venezuela works. There are thousands of Cuban commandos there keeping Maduro in power.
The millisecond a single Chinese soldier set foot on AU soil(especially if video gets out--- and you know it will--- of them shooting or beating civilians) tens of millions of Americans would demand we do something about it. We're back to if you can't control the USA you can't forcibly control anything in the western world. We are a wild card. And if you can't take away our guns because of 2A you will never control We The People.
See they get away with a lot of BS in other places because their media mouthpieces convince us its none of our business. We shouldn't interfere. And we like a bunch of idiots fall for that. BUT when it comes to western countries like UK or France or AU etc we wouldn't put up with their bullshit and they know it.
Why do you think they kill farmers in SA on the down low??? If the black government sent military units to wipe them out it wouldn't take 2 days and US jets would bombing them into the stone ages. But secret kill squads... what are those... never heard of such a thing... deny deny deny. They hide it because they are afraid to do it in the open. Afraid of what?
What you are missing is this... here in the USA they can't use the military to fight civilians.
You're kidding, right? Parts of the military might not, but the police are fucked. Look at the shit they continue to do here. They probably masturbate to the though of crushing skulls. Remember that woman with dementia the police treated like a piece of shit? They laughed at the replay of the body cam footage, where they dislocated her shoulder. They fucking laughed!
I firmly believe that the police are the standing army the Founders warned us about. Waco? When they massacred children without a care? Ruby Ridge, when Lon Horiuchi murdered Vicki Weaver while she was holding her child? Daniel Shaver, who was murdered like a rabid animal?
It will likely be majority police doing all the rounding up and slaughtering. They'll managed to get their hands on military-grade equipment without much hassle, why I don't know.
Feds = 120k. State and local = 800k. Let's round up to a nice even One million...
Military equipment for LEO is things like Bearcats, MRAPS, and other ground equipment. They do have helicopters and some airplanes but these aren't attack aircraft. They don't have fire control systems to fire rockets or drop bombs. At BEST air firepower would be some idiot hanging out a door with a belt fed 7.62 or using a Barret 50 cal. Not useless but far from "airpower" in military terms.
Now let's look at the other side. Civilians have those very same Barret 50 cal rifles, and while hitting a helicopter is actually pretty hard with the aid of tracer rounds its VERY possible and it don't take many hits with a round that big to make a helicopter simply fall out of the sky. Most non-military aircraft are actually very fragile.
Shantui was the largest producer of bulldozers, making over 10,000 units that year or two in five crawler-type dozers made in the world.
So 25k per year? In other words world wide there are millions of bulldozers. So many in fact in a heavily industrialized country like the USA that civilians could lose 2-3 for every Bearcat they destroyed and still have more left over. Hell there is an old Bulldozer just sitting around on my family farm collecting rust right now. I bet it wouldn't take a small team of mechanics a few days to get it running.
Civilians have more than enough guns and they have manpower, but how much man power??? Some people say 50 million. Many use hunting licenses which is like 70 million. I won't over inflate the numbers. The TRUTH is there are probibly 20 million young able bodied men that could really fight and maybe another 10 million that could easily act in support roles.
So let's just assume the police 100% support the government, the military stays 100% neutral, then the civilians and the the police fight it out.
You seriously believe 5 million+ vets with combat experience and 15 million weekend warriors plus 10 million support personnel can be defeated by 1 maybe 1.5 million government stooges? Remember civilians own or can take control of helicopters as well. They have all the same weapons. They can make armored vehicles. You have any idea what a bulldozzer would do to a bearcat??? Toss it around like its nothing. Sure the bearcat/MRAP can run away faster, but that's not how you win fights.
Let's face facts... critical mass is maybe 3 million armed civilians going full 1776. Law enforcement would be out-maned and outgunned completely. Without military assets... JDAMs dropped from jets, artillery, mortars, belt fed machine guns etc etc they wouldn't last even a few weeks.
Now we're back to if the military is willing to drop JDAMs on civilians on US soil. Not just any civilians but US citizens... the very people they took an oath to protect and defend.
You are deluding yourself if you believe the police have the power to overcome a mass uprising of armed US civilians. Hell ITS ALREADY HAPPENED. Look up the "bundy ranch standoff". Forget the spin. Forget that after the fact they tried mostly unsuccessfully to charge people with crimes. Look at the actual standoff. Look at the raw footage. FIFTY heavily armed federal agents ran away with their tails between their legs. They were going to get slaughtered and they knew it. So they ran away.
Why? Because hundreds of people showed up armed to the teeth and if one shot had been fired it wouldn't have been an hour and twice as many as they could see would have shown up to help. But those feds had zero backup. They were fucking toast on a stick and they knew it. But law enforcement is more powerful than We The People. Get a grip.
The ONLY issue is are enough people angry enough to pick up a weapon. Look around you. All I see is anger everywhere. When shit kicks off half those LEO will drop their weapons and bail. Just look at what happened in Hurricane Katrina. When the shit hit the fan all the LEOs bailed. Trust me... when they start hearing reports on a radio of 20 dead officers, 30 wounded, hundreds of shooters... full on revolt... They took the city hall or whatever pissy little thing they were fighting over... the civilians are in control and more are on the way. Those LEOs will bail so fast it will make everyone's head spin.
Police aren't jack shit. They only win because they fight 30 vs 1. When its 50 vs 2k they will get steam rolled like the punks they really are.
I've said this for years now. The only reason AU and EU don't go full Venezuela style authoritarian killing in the streets, secret police, the whole deal is they fear US intervention. The only reason the US is still a possible threat of intervention is because of 2A. They can't figure out how to deal with 30-50 million armed citizens without burning the whole damn world to the ground and half of them(the elites) dying in the process.
If they had full control they wouldn't need to spin narratives and spew propaganda. They lie to us because they fear us. They fear us because we are armed.
Estimates are closer to 150 million total armed citizens. Keep in mind that number is based off NICS and does not account for gun kits, family heirlooms and 3D printed/home smithed firearms.
Darn right! We’re more armed to the teeth than ANYone realizes. I love all my armed pedes out there. Cheers!
Incorrect... I'm talking 16-35 year old military aged people ready to fight and die. That number is a lot lower than "gun owners". I'm 51 with a bad knee, high blood pressure, obese, etc etc... I wouldn't last a month in a real war. I'd barely be useful as support personnel. I'm a liability the instant my bad back goes out which wouldn't take very long.
All the best intentions in the world don't change that reality. Just because I might own a gun and I'm willing to fight doesn't mean I'm useful... other than I might have extra ammo/weapons to throw into the pool... and/or food.
With a population of 300-400 mil you aren't going to find more than 50 million people in all of North America that would be willing to fight and truly able to do it. That is still an insane number of people, and there are more than enough weapons and ammo in civilian hands to arm 50 million. Probably twice.
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I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but what the fuck are we going to do? We don't know the true extent to how compromised the military is. And what will the regular people do? Rent commercial aircraft and basically organize a citizen invasion force?
I used to think the same, but I’ve had my mind changed just by simply asking questions and listening to others. There is more going on behind the scenes than we know.
All it would take is 150k loosely organized people to overthrow the US government.
Probably fewer if you get people that want to make everything burn.
What you are missing is this... here in the USA they can't use the military to fight civilians. Think about it... the guy that built your tank/truck or grew you're food... the wielder, the farmer, the factory worker... that's who you will be shooting at. So even if the military was willing to fight us its a no win situation. There will be no replacement tank/plane. When those bombs/missiles in the ammo bunker have all been dropped no one is going to drive up in a truck and deliver more. You blew up the truck driver 3 weeks ago. The factory worker the week before.
In theory casualties would be insane. A million police and military with planes and tanks etc could easily kill 2-10 million people in mere months. But when the jet fuel runs out... the bombs run out... the tanks run out of fuel and ammo, etc etc... then its 20 million guys with rifles fighting 1 million guys with rifles. And the 1 million guys just killed several million of the 20 millions friends/family in horrible ways.
Every US military commander regardless of their politics and loyalties understands this. Wars are fought not just with men and guns they are fought with logistics and supply lines. If you're shooting the guy that grows the food you are doomed to failure. And after months of abusing them when you do finally fail there will be no quarter given. You won't get to walk away. They know this. That's why they will never ever start that fight.
They need you to disarm and give up. Anything else is a suicide mission.
As far as other countries like say Australia goes... the US has a LONG history of civilians on their own dime joining wars. Lets' say AU goes full retard and then a rebellion of sorts starts up. People in the USA collect up tens of thousands of guns load them on a tramp freighter and sneak into AU. They might bring food or medical supplies as well. Worse we might have an election that even with them cheating we take 300+ seats in the house plus POTUS then we formally declare war on the AU puppet regime etc.
Its not about what actually will happen. Most of these scenarios are unlikely. Its about the fact they don't have enough control to guarantee it. If they go too far too fast without total control they might blow the whole thing.
The whole point is they want control over us. Yet the most powerful country with the most guns and the best technology is the one place they have the least control. Their control over us is VERY fragile. At any moment we could simply swat them away like the bugs they are. Their power is just an illusion. Its all based on lies and shell games. They are "in charge" mostly because their media mouthpieces SAY they are in charge.
When the guns come out they are nothing. They(their civilian support, antifa/BLM etc) are at most 2-5 million strong, poorly armed, and poorly trained. Do the math. If the military splits evenly that means roughly 1 million police and military on each side but we have 50 million highly effective civilians and they have 5 mil of meh. They don't want that fight... not until they have taken away our guns. If we are helpless and can't fight back we will give in. As long as we are armed we won't give up.
I think there is one other fact you aren't paying attention too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia
25,903,000 That's the population of AU. Military is "total numbering 81,214 personnel (including 57,982 regulars and 23,232 reservists)". So when I say 200k AU citizens and 200k USA citizens together well armed with US guns would probibly kick the crap out of the AU military I'm not joking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Australian_Air_Force#Current_inventory
100 combat jets isn't that impressive. It doesn't take much and you've blown shit-tons of them up on the ground. Now what?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Army#Equipment
60 Main battle tanks is nothing. Literally.
All of this assumes 100% of the military goes along with shooting civilians. The likely scenario is they would need to bring in foreign troops like Chinese to keep control over the population. That's how Venezuela works. There are thousands of Cuban commandos there keeping Maduro in power.
The millisecond a single Chinese soldier set foot on AU soil(especially if video gets out--- and you know it will--- of them shooting or beating civilians) tens of millions of Americans would demand we do something about it. We're back to if you can't control the USA you can't forcibly control anything in the western world. We are a wild card. And if you can't take away our guns because of 2A you will never control We The People.
See they get away with a lot of BS in other places because their media mouthpieces convince us its none of our business. We shouldn't interfere. And we like a bunch of idiots fall for that. BUT when it comes to western countries like UK or France or AU etc we wouldn't put up with their bullshit and they know it.
Why do you think they kill farmers in SA on the down low??? If the black government sent military units to wipe them out it wouldn't take 2 days and US jets would bombing them into the stone ages. But secret kill squads... what are those... never heard of such a thing... deny deny deny. They hide it because they are afraid to do it in the open. Afraid of what?
You're kidding, right? Parts of the military might not, but the police are fucked. Look at the shit they continue to do here. They probably masturbate to the though of crushing skulls. Remember that woman with dementia the police treated like a piece of shit? They laughed at the replay of the body cam footage, where they dislocated her shoulder. They fucking laughed!
I firmly believe that the police are the standing army the Founders warned us about. Waco? When they massacred children without a care? Ruby Ridge, when Lon Horiuchi murdered Vicki Weaver while she was holding her child? Daniel Shaver, who was murdered like a rabid animal?
It will likely be majority police doing all the rounding up and slaughtering. They'll managed to get their hands on military-grade equipment without much hassle, why I don't know.
I don't think you comprehend the raw numbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States#Police_population
Feds = 120k. State and local = 800k. Let's round up to a nice even One million...
Military equipment for LEO is things like Bearcats, MRAPS, and other ground equipment. They do have helicopters and some airplanes but these aren't attack aircraft. They don't have fire control systems to fire rockets or drop bombs. At BEST air firepower would be some idiot hanging out a door with a belt fed 7.62 or using a Barret 50 cal. Not useless but far from "airpower" in military terms.
Now let's look at the other side. Civilians have those very same Barret 50 cal rifles, and while hitting a helicopter is actually pretty hard with the aid of tracer rounds its VERY possible and it don't take many hits with a round that big to make a helicopter simply fall out of the sky. Most non-military aircraft are actually very fragile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldozer#Manufacturers
So 25k per year? In other words world wide there are millions of bulldozers. So many in fact in a heavily industrialized country like the USA that civilians could lose 2-3 for every Bearcat they destroyed and still have more left over. Hell there is an old Bulldozer just sitting around on my family farm collecting rust right now. I bet it wouldn't take a small team of mechanics a few days to get it running.
Civilians have more than enough guns and they have manpower, but how much man power??? Some people say 50 million. Many use hunting licenses which is like 70 million. I won't over inflate the numbers. The TRUTH is there are probibly 20 million young able bodied men that could really fight and maybe another 10 million that could easily act in support roles.
So let's just assume the police 100% support the government, the military stays 100% neutral, then the civilians and the the police fight it out.
You seriously believe 5 million+ vets with combat experience and 15 million weekend warriors plus 10 million support personnel can be defeated by 1 maybe 1.5 million government stooges? Remember civilians own or can take control of helicopters as well. They have all the same weapons. They can make armored vehicles. You have any idea what a bulldozzer would do to a bearcat??? Toss it around like its nothing. Sure the bearcat/MRAP can run away faster, but that's not how you win fights.
Let's face facts... critical mass is maybe 3 million armed civilians going full 1776. Law enforcement would be out-maned and outgunned completely. Without military assets... JDAMs dropped from jets, artillery, mortars, belt fed machine guns etc etc they wouldn't last even a few weeks.
Now we're back to if the military is willing to drop JDAMs on civilians on US soil. Not just any civilians but US citizens... the very people they took an oath to protect and defend.
You are deluding yourself if you believe the police have the power to overcome a mass uprising of armed US civilians. Hell ITS ALREADY HAPPENED. Look up the "bundy ranch standoff". Forget the spin. Forget that after the fact they tried mostly unsuccessfully to charge people with crimes. Look at the actual standoff. Look at the raw footage. FIFTY heavily armed federal agents ran away with their tails between their legs. They were going to get slaughtered and they knew it. So they ran away.
Why? Because hundreds of people showed up armed to the teeth and if one shot had been fired it wouldn't have been an hour and twice as many as they could see would have shown up to help. But those feds had zero backup. They were fucking toast on a stick and they knew it. But law enforcement is more powerful than We The People. Get a grip.
The ONLY issue is are enough people angry enough to pick up a weapon. Look around you. All I see is anger everywhere. When shit kicks off half those LEO will drop their weapons and bail. Just look at what happened in Hurricane Katrina. When the shit hit the fan all the LEOs bailed. Trust me... when they start hearing reports on a radio of 20 dead officers, 30 wounded, hundreds of shooters... full on revolt... They took the city hall or whatever pissy little thing they were fighting over... the civilians are in control and more are on the way. Those LEOs will bail so fast it will make everyone's head spin.
Police aren't jack shit. They only win because they fight 30 vs 1. When its 50 vs 2k they will get steam rolled like the punks they really are.
Read this... its a pretty funny read TBH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
US citizens intervention? An ocean away?