I'm not the one defending a secrety society at the root of DS operations worldwide lmao. You are.
Actually I'm not doing that at all. This is what I said:
The idea that Freemasons are the enemy is not as clear as people want it to be.
I said that them, being the enemy, "is not as clear as people want it to be."
I never said there was no evidence of any particular Freemason being an enemy, or that the Freemason organization itself wasn't implicated in fuckery, nor are either of those ideas implicit in my statement. I never even said that the organization wasn't at the root of the DS operations (though I do not think they are "the root", but there is substantial evidence that they are a big part of it).
Learn to read before jumping on your favorite conclusion lest you get it completely wrong.
You're way behind, kid. Way behind.
Ad hominem attacks only serve to prevent debate and investigations into the Truth. Until you learn that, you will never be helpful in that endeavor.
I’m with you homie. Truth seeker first and foremost. Most ppl here should know that definitives like “ALL” are rarely correct.- and pointing that fact out does make one a shill. Simply put, the majority of masons are just enthusiastic normie patriots (esp the older ones) who still watch faux and like hannity. Now just a slight clarification like: “all, HIGH-level, ‘connected’ masons are shady at best, traitors at worst,” would make a world of difference, and I think you may be more inclined to agree with a similar sentiment. Ppl on this board are far to quick to yell shill and glowie (while reeeeeeing just as hard as lefty who acts like they have all the answers); hubris is an enemy of vigilance, and if there’s one thing we need more of now, it’s vigilance.
Most ppl here should know that definitives like “ALL” are rarely correct
“all, HIGH-level, ‘connected’ masons are shady at best, traitors at worst,” would make a world of difference, and I think you may be more inclined to agree with a similar sentiment
These are at odds with each other.
I also do not agree. I think there may be factions within the Masons at the top level, at least I have seen a fair bit of evidence that supports that idea. That is why I made a clear statement of who I think the real enemy is:
The enemy are the people that want us to not recognize our sovereignty; that want us to believe that we are not free, that want us to remain within The Matrix.
Period.
and
Everyone working against that, no matter their association or even what they have done [in the past] is not our enemy.
Bolded for emphasis and added "in the past" for clarification.
hubris is an enemy of vigilance, and if there’s one thing we need more of now, it’s vigilance.
We all suffer from this. And while its not exactly what you said, vigilance against our own hubris is the hardest thing imo, or at least it is for me.
Yes my point about the definitives wasn’t worded well (trying to point out that even a little bit of specification can go a long ways, even if the claim is still somewhat broad- and that if ppl have made it here, then one would think those same ppl are aware of some of the traps they should attempt to avoid- but as my bumbling ass has now proven, that’s easier said than done.) Not trying to put words in your mouth; my apologies. Your definition of our enemy and the true issue at hand is about as succinct and accurate as it gets (honestly should make it it’s own post just to get it to the front of the board). And that is precisely what I meant about our hubris and vigilance; it’s the hardest part for myself as well. Thank you for the effort and thought you put into your replies; it’s always nice to meet another based Patriot
I appreciate your reply, I see too much on here about how freemasons are evil. I have a great grandpa on one side of family who is Scottish rights order Freemason. And a grandpa other side of family who is a freemason. And to me! Ioved them both! Then I read on here, how they are horrible evil people. No, they were not.
What do you mean by "truths"? I said there was evidence that not all freemasons are clearly our enemy. That has nothing to do with Truth itself, it is simply what we use to investigate the Truth.
As evidence, pretty much everyone who signed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both of which make implicit statements of individual sovereignty (an important part of what we are fighting for) were Freemasons.
There is substantial evidence that Trump is a freemason. There is substantial evidence that virtually all of the people in charge of everything going back forever have been freemasons, not all of them are clearly our enemies. For example, there is evidence that JFK was a Rosecrucian, or even a freemason (even if those groups pretend to be at odds, there is evidence that suggests they are the same organization). His entire family was deep in that group. It would be ludicrous to think he just happened to not be and was also made President by election fuckery (see Chicago election fraud). Was JFK clearly our enemy? Who knows, maybe he was, or maybe he was an insider that fought for us, or ???
All these people that we think are on our side are almost certainly insiders. You pretty much have to be an insider to completely understand what is going on sufficient to take down such an entrenched enemy. Such a group of "insiders" would be a "faction."
Imagine that you are a "mover and a shaker." You can't get there without becoming part of "the club." There are probably different levels of the club, but once a part of the club, as you move up higher and higher, you can learn a fair bit about the whole affair. You play along, doing minimal harm simply because you recognize "that's just the way the world works." Such a person would likely jump at the chance to destroy the organization from within if offered that opportunity.
Maybe on the other hand you don't do minimal harm, but go full Satan because you don't see that there is any other way to have the level of success, be the person you want to be, external to the evil.
And then what if you see that there is another path. Like above, say that hypothetical faction shows you that you can fight the Evil from within. You might use your status to take them apart, to destroy them; recognizing your own evil deeds, but trying to do what you can to bring freedom back to the world.
One huge thing people forget in their need to hate and need to categorize is, these evil people are people. People are complicated. Things are not always what they seem. People change. Some people change a lot when presented with evidence, such as my hypothetical "change of heart" when one super high up and evil sees that there is another way, a way to destroy the evil that they never liked, but embraced as the only way to be on the path of success they wanted to be on.
These are just a few ideas off the top of my head. I have had many other thoughts on this subject (and/or seen evidence) that I am not thinking of right now.
Many of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons including George Washington and Ben Franklin, so I would think that there is maybe more to this than all Freemasons are bad.
Saying that the organization is 100% bad is like saying the US Government is 100% bad - it's just not true, there is a lot of that the government does that is in fact necessary and beneficial, plus many many good people, despite the DS and the many corrupt politicians in power.
Freemasons of those times are not what they are now. Modern masonry has been corrupted by blood lines that GW and others fought against. Secret societies like Skull & Bones for example. If you want to know what modern elite masons are, check out Albert Pike.
Trump Tower has a 6 x 6 x 6 triangle at its base, filled with trees which is exactly how the Earth deity is often represented in ancient symbolism.
If you look at that picture it also has 7 pillars which create 6 obelisks in shadow rising above it.
Trump is constantly using the inverted triangle symbol with his hands. (Please note I am not in any way promoting the text of that link. It is just a place that provides a group of pictures showing the inverted hand triangle is not a one-off thing.)
Trump tower penthouse begins on the 66th floor (though its really the 56th). The penthouse looks very much like a masonic lodge, especially the nicer lodges, like the one in NYC. The Roman god Apollo (the Sun god) is all over the place in his penthouse.
Trumps international golf coat of arms is a double headed eagle (Y-head?). He fought in Scottish courts for years to get it and they gave it to him (Scottish Rite of Freemasons?). Interestingly the Latin text on that coat of arms: Numquam Concedere can be translated as "Never Concede".
There are numerous other pieces of evidence for Trump being a member of the Freemasons. His daughter's ex boyfriend was a Rothschild for example. Trump has documented deals with the Rothschilds, etc.
This is just off the top of my head. If you look up Trump Freemason or Trump Illuminati you can find all sorts of shit that link him. People were looking into this before Q.
If I join a secret society who's higher members are known to be DS leaders and I spread their infleunce and power via membership, costs and work which appears to be wholesome and good for society, yet designed to shield the filth the higher ups partake in, I'm contributing.
Understand what a "secret society" is before you go on and defend them. I wrote you're way behind because you are, it's not an insult. You're just behind.
You're right, it is simple. You conflate the work and intention of lower members with what the true purpose of masonry is. Doctors who spread covid bullshit who don't know otherwise are not inherently evil, but they are contributing to a system of corruption led by those above them.
There is no difference here. Here is the reality of the situation that is different from the doctor example above.
IF Mason membership was not offered to normies on the ground, not in a million years could they hide what they do at the top. They purposely allow normies in to cover up their filth.
You conflate the work and intention of lower members with what the true purpose of masonry is
You assume FAR too much. That is not what I am doing at all. I suggest you read other posts in this thread to understand what I'm saying.
You seem to have reading comprehension issues, so please take your time and really listen.
Doctors who spread covid bullshit who don't know otherwise are not inherently evil, but they are contributing to a system of corruption led by those above them.
Agreed. That has nothing to do with what I was saying, but I will agree that there are almost certainly people within the Freemasons that are just ignorant.
IF Mason membership was not offered to normies on the ground, not in a million years could they hide what they do at the top. They purposely allow normies in to cover up their filth
Again, I envy your ability to pretend.
We live in The Matrix. Until you stop being so sure you understand "how simple" things are, you can't really understand how The Matrix keeps us within it.
Actually I'm not doing that at all. This is what I said:
I said that them, being the enemy, "is not as clear as people want it to be."
I never said there was no evidence of any particular Freemason being an enemy, or that the Freemason organization itself wasn't implicated in fuckery, nor are either of those ideas implicit in my statement. I never even said that the organization wasn't at the root of the DS operations (though I do not think they are "the root", but there is substantial evidence that they are a big part of it).
Learn to read before jumping on your favorite conclusion lest you get it completely wrong.
Ad hominem attacks only serve to prevent debate and investigations into the Truth. Until you learn that, you will never be helpful in that endeavor.
I’m with you homie. Truth seeker first and foremost. Most ppl here should know that definitives like “ALL” are rarely correct.- and pointing that fact out does make one a shill. Simply put, the majority of masons are just enthusiastic normie patriots (esp the older ones) who still watch faux and like hannity. Now just a slight clarification like: “all, HIGH-level, ‘connected’ masons are shady at best, traitors at worst,” would make a world of difference, and I think you may be more inclined to agree with a similar sentiment. Ppl on this board are far to quick to yell shill and glowie (while reeeeeeing just as hard as lefty who acts like they have all the answers); hubris is an enemy of vigilance, and if there’s one thing we need more of now, it’s vigilance.
These are at odds with each other.
I also do not agree. I think there may be factions within the Masons at the top level, at least I have seen a fair bit of evidence that supports that idea. That is why I made a clear statement of who I think the real enemy is:
Period.
and
Bolded for emphasis and added "in the past" for clarification.
We all suffer from this. And while its not exactly what you said, vigilance against our own hubris is the hardest thing imo, or at least it is for me.
Yes my point about the definitives wasn’t worded well (trying to point out that even a little bit of specification can go a long ways, even if the claim is still somewhat broad- and that if ppl have made it here, then one would think those same ppl are aware of some of the traps they should attempt to avoid- but as my bumbling ass has now proven, that’s easier said than done.) Not trying to put words in your mouth; my apologies. Your definition of our enemy and the true issue at hand is about as succinct and accurate as it gets (honestly should make it it’s own post just to get it to the front of the board). And that is precisely what I meant about our hubris and vigilance; it’s the hardest part for myself as well. Thank you for the effort and thought you put into your replies; it’s always nice to meet another based Patriot
I appreciate your reply, I see too much on here about how freemasons are evil. I have a great grandpa on one side of family who is Scottish rights order Freemason. And a grandpa other side of family who is a freemason. And to me! Ioved them both! Then I read on here, how they are horrible evil people. No, they were not.
They were fine people. Stop on by some evening and you could probably hear some interesting stories from guys they knew.
So what truths have you found in support of the freemasons?
What do you mean by "truths"? I said there was evidence that not all freemasons are clearly our enemy. That has nothing to do with Truth itself, it is simply what we use to investigate the Truth.
As evidence, pretty much everyone who signed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both of which make implicit statements of individual sovereignty (an important part of what we are fighting for) were Freemasons.
There is substantial evidence that Trump is a freemason. There is substantial evidence that virtually all of the people in charge of everything going back forever have been freemasons, not all of them are clearly our enemies. For example, there is evidence that JFK was a Rosecrucian, or even a freemason (even if those groups pretend to be at odds, there is evidence that suggests they are the same organization). His entire family was deep in that group. It would be ludicrous to think he just happened to not be and was also made President by election fuckery (see Chicago election fraud). Was JFK clearly our enemy? Who knows, maybe he was, or maybe he was an insider that fought for us, or ???
All these people that we think are on our side are almost certainly insiders. You pretty much have to be an insider to completely understand what is going on sufficient to take down such an entrenched enemy. Such a group of "insiders" would be a "faction."
Imagine that you are a "mover and a shaker." You can't get there without becoming part of "the club." There are probably different levels of the club, but once a part of the club, as you move up higher and higher, you can learn a fair bit about the whole affair. You play along, doing minimal harm simply because you recognize "that's just the way the world works." Such a person would likely jump at the chance to destroy the organization from within if offered that opportunity.
Maybe on the other hand you don't do minimal harm, but go full Satan because you don't see that there is any other way to have the level of success, be the person you want to be, external to the evil.
And then what if you see that there is another path. Like above, say that hypothetical faction shows you that you can fight the Evil from within. You might use your status to take them apart, to destroy them; recognizing your own evil deeds, but trying to do what you can to bring freedom back to the world.
One huge thing people forget in their need to hate and need to categorize is, these evil people are people. People are complicated. Things are not always what they seem. People change. Some people change a lot when presented with evidence, such as my hypothetical "change of heart" when one super high up and evil sees that there is another way, a way to destroy the evil that they never liked, but embraced as the only way to be on the path of success they wanted to be on.
These are just a few ideas off the top of my head. I have had many other thoughts on this subject (and/or seen evidence) that I am not thinking of right now.
Many of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons including George Washington and Ben Franklin, so I would think that there is maybe more to this than all Freemasons are bad.
Saying that the organization is 100% bad is like saying the US Government is 100% bad - it's just not true, there is a lot of that the government does that is in fact necessary and beneficial, plus many many good people, despite the DS and the many corrupt politicians in power.
Freemasons of those times are not what they are now. Modern masonry has been corrupted by blood lines that GW and others fought against. Secret societies like Skull & Bones for example. If you want to know what modern elite masons are, check out Albert Pike.
Where
Trump Tower has a 6 x 6 x 6 triangle at its base, filled with trees which is exactly how the Earth deity is often represented in ancient symbolism.
If you look at that picture it also has 7 pillars which create 6 obelisks in shadow rising above it.
Trump is constantly using the inverted triangle symbol with his hands. (Please note I am not in any way promoting the text of that link. It is just a place that provides a group of pictures showing the inverted hand triangle is not a one-off thing.)
Trump tower penthouse begins on the 66th floor (though its really the 56th). The penthouse looks very much like a masonic lodge, especially the nicer lodges, like the one in NYC. The Roman god Apollo (the Sun god) is all over the place in his penthouse.
Trumps international golf coat of arms is a double headed eagle (Y-head?). He fought in Scottish courts for years to get it and they gave it to him (Scottish Rite of Freemasons?). Interestingly the Latin text on that coat of arms: Numquam Concedere can be translated as "Never Concede".
There are numerous other pieces of evidence for Trump being a member of the Freemasons. His daughter's ex boyfriend was a Rothschild for example. Trump has documented deals with the Rothschilds, etc.
This is just off the top of my head. If you look up Trump Freemason or Trump Illuminati you can find all sorts of shit that link him. People were looking into this before Q.
He'd make a fine shriner
If I join a secret society who's higher members are known to be DS leaders and I spread their infleunce and power via membership, costs and work which appears to be wholesome and good for society, yet designed to shield the filth the higher ups partake in, I'm contributing.
Understand what a "secret society" is before you go on and defend them. I wrote you're way behind because you are, it's not an insult. You're just behind.
Your world is very simple.
I envy your ability to pretend.
You're right, it is simple. You conflate the work and intention of lower members with what the true purpose of masonry is. Doctors who spread covid bullshit who don't know otherwise are not inherently evil, but they are contributing to a system of corruption led by those above them.
There is no difference here. Here is the reality of the situation that is different from the doctor example above.
IF Mason membership was not offered to normies on the ground, not in a million years could they hide what they do at the top. They purposely allow normies in to cover up their filth.
It's as simple as that.
You assume FAR too much. That is not what I am doing at all. I suggest you read other posts in this thread to understand what I'm saying.
You seem to have reading comprehension issues, so please take your time and really listen.
Agreed. That has nothing to do with what I was saying, but I will agree that there are almost certainly people within the Freemasons that are just ignorant.
Again, I envy your ability to pretend.
We live in The Matrix. Until you stop being so sure you understand "how simple" things are, you can't really understand how The Matrix keeps us within it.