The idea that Freemasons are the enemy is not as clear as people want it to be.
The enemy are the people that want us to not recognize our sovereignty; that want us to believe that we are not free, that want us to remain within The Matrix.
Everyone working against that, no matter their association or even what they have done is not our enemy.
The Freemasons are 100% one of our enemies. You're shilling for one of the most corrupt entities in the history of mankind.
Albert Pike described in detail how the Freemasons would be an integral part of the NWO.
Anyone who defends the freemasons or is one, is a traitor. And people who are part of secret societies involved in the deepest roots of the DS, are only pretending to be on our side.
Anyone who believes they know the truth is incapable of hearing (/seeing/listening to/entertaining) any evidence that runs contrary to their beliefs. We live in the Matrix. Nothing is what it seems to be. Keep your eyes open or risk remaining in The Matrix.
You're shilling for one of the most corrupt entities in the history of mankind.
Never call me a shill. I don't shill. I look at evidence, debate evidence, show evidence. Just because I don't believe what you believe doesn't make me a shill, it only makes me a person who doesn't believe your beliefs.
Albert Pike described in detail how the Freemasons would be an integral part of the NWO.
Even if that were true (which it isn't exactly true) and even if I believed Albert Pike completely (which I don't), it still wouldn't mean that all Freemasons are the enemy. It would only mean that the organization itself would be used to bring about the NWO (which I agree there is substantial evidence to support such a claim). There is also substantial evidence that there are Freemason factions. Why would one ignore that evidence just to proclaim some definitive (i.e. "All Freemasons are Evil because I have seen evidence that some Freemasons are Evil").
Anyone who defends the freemasons or is one, is a traitor.
You may now proceed to Go Fuck Yourself.
I am a seeker of the Truth, nothing more and nothing less. Even if I am a terrible one (I have no idea what the Truth is), that doesn't make me anything more or less than that. Your idea of what I must be because I don't share your beliefs is irrelevant to me. You can keep your beliefs on what I must be to yourself, as I will keep my opinions on what you are to myself (believe me, that is for the best).
I'm not the one defending a secrety society at the root of DS operations worldwide lmao. You are.
You're all triggered because more than likely you are one of the traitors yourself. Freemasons are shit stains on society, always were and always will be.
I'm not the one defending a secrety society at the root of DS operations worldwide lmao. You are.
Actually I'm not doing that at all. This is what I said:
The idea that Freemasons are the enemy is not as clear as people want it to be.
I said that them, being the enemy, "is not as clear as people want it to be."
I never said there was no evidence of any particular Freemason being an enemy, or that the Freemason organization itself wasn't implicated in fuckery, nor are either of those ideas implicit in my statement. I never even said that the organization wasn't at the root of the DS operations (though I do not think they are "the root", but there is substantial evidence that they are a big part of it).
Learn to read before jumping on your favorite conclusion lest you get it completely wrong.
You're way behind, kid. Way behind.
Ad hominem attacks only serve to prevent debate and investigations into the Truth. Until you learn that, you will never be helpful in that endeavor.
Hate to break it to you pal, but Slyver is right here.
There is A LOT more to occult studies that is not understood by the lot of us.
Christianity itself is filled with occult knowledge and references.
The word simply means "hidden".
It's all knowledge, systems of science, philosophy, and spirituality. Just because some choose to use said tools for evil does not make said tools or subjects inherently evil.
Guarantee you that there are "good" freemasons, "good" occultic christians, etc. There's a real lightside/darkside thing going on here and there's not one simple answer, as many would like to believe.
I'm starting to think that a lot of these people who cling to these old adages are glowies
It's entirely possible, but at the same time, people do tend to believe they know the Truth. We have been trained to believe that we can know the truth by The Matrix. If we can know the truth, then others can also know the truth. If others can know the truth then we can trust what others have to say. If we trust what others have to say, then we can be easily led around by the nose, and the Matrix is self containing, easily keeping everyone in the box.
We are trained to be this way, so it is not necessarily a good idea to think that those following that training are our enemies. It is rather more likely that they are just not yet sufficiently awake.
Nevertheless, that behavior is also exactly what COINTELPRO is, so who knows.
I don't doubt that high echelon Freemasons are in the cabal, but my dad and grandfather were Masons because it was viewed as a good thing to do, and I don't think they had a clue as to the real aims of the cabal. Neither of them was religious and they probably viewed any Luciferian stuff they were exposed to as not being plausible. IMO there are probably a lot of low-level Masons that don't really understand the underlying meanings of the Masonic stuff.
When Masons take the "oath" it's my understanding they have to remove their clothing, their wedding rings, anything that shows "allegiance" to any other power - including God. This is why it's anti-Christian. Without question many who join are decent people - but I personally believe, they were misled. All that being said...I also think the Masons as we know them today, were perhaps not what they once were...and have morphed in some fashion over the years. I'm no expert on the history.
How about sharing some way in which they're different? If it's hard to think of any, maybe it means the differences aren't so significant? I don't know.
BTW I know next to nothing about Freemasonry except it's centuries old and full of highly bullshit secretiveness...and features the right and obligation to kill other members if they reveal the secrets. And George Washington was in it, and Monty Python mocked the shit out of it.
GW was not involved at the top of the modern worlds DS plans. Similar thing happened to the Church. Many good things end up terrible. Masonry is one of them.
People in this movement do so much research and great critical thinking, and then turn around and judge people by one tiny thing. One major portion of being a critical thinker is to know that you don't and can't know everything. We need to know when to set things aside and just move on for a bit, until more pieces come together.
Freemasonry isn’t one tiny thing. It’s a society that has secret initiation rituals that ultimately filters the most evil of the bunch up to various degrees. Basically they trade their souls for power and influence, the higher they go. It’s hard to trust anyone who is a mason, until it’s known what degree they are. And as they’re highly secretive, one never knows unless revealed. Do we know what degree mason Stallone is? He’s fairly famous and has achieved success. Was it organic or was it his Freemasonry?
Brilliant. Some say they've seen Trump doing the hidden hand. Warring self interest serves us, if whoever is warring for us wants to preserve constitutional rights and freedoms.
SUMMARY of interaction: For those who want to TLDR this wonderful comment thread....
Silver: Freemasons? The issue is not as simple as people think. Definition of enemy: "Everyone working against that (our remaining stuck in the Matrix), no matter their association or even what they have done is not our enemy"
Dear Leader: There can be no distinction. I only think in terms of groups, and associations, and there can be no variance on that point. Therefore, "The Freemasons" are by definition NOT working against our remaining in the Matrix. Not a single one. They are all rotten, and there can be no doubt that NONE of them are not working to undermine us.
Silver: I think we should take a more nuanced approach to how we evaluate who or what our enemies are.
Dear Leader: No. I refuse. And because you are even attempting a more nuanced examination of the issue, you are a SHILL, and evil. Begone!
Silver: dude... Open you're mind a bit here. Can't you see that you're so identified with what you think is evil that you have pigeon-holed your own thinking? That's not helpful.
Dear Leader: whaa...? how dare y... ! You are.....!!! Well, you're an idiot! So there.
Silver: Hey, comon. Can't we at least have a rational discussion?
Dear Leader: well, you're a poopy head! And I hate the Freemasons, and you are defending them, so you're a double poopy head!
Silver: Damn, man. I'm NOT defending them. I'm saying, there's more too it. Anyway, <facepalm>. Jerk.
Dear Leader: Yeah, well my argument is better than your argument, so there. Dad said so.
Silver: No it's not.
Dear Leader: yes it is.
END.
See? This is how to have a productive interaction. Siblings will be siblings....
Edit: Dear Leader could have easily avoided this entire back and forth argument by simply agreeing with Silver's definition and then stating, well, in my opinion NO freemasons are working against us staying in the Matrix.
Instead, Dear Leader decided to attack Silver's line of thinking (seeking greater nuance) and completely avoided the reasonable yet uncontentious difference of opinion on whether or not ALL freemasons (or the ENTIRE freemason community as a whole) are working against our being freed from the Matrix.
He chose to argue the line of thinking, in order to defend his position (opinion).
Conclusion: Silver wins the argument by virtue of the fact that Dear Leader's approach was not so much based in reason as it was in a defensive attitude, instead of simply owning the disagreement.
8 points to House Lone Ranger, 5 points to House North Korea.
The idea that Freemasons are the enemy is not as clear as people want it to be.
The enemy are the people that want us to not recognize our sovereignty; that want us to believe that we are not free, that want us to remain within The Matrix.
Everyone working against that, no matter their association or even what they have done is not our enemy.
The Freemasons are 100% one of our enemies. You're shilling for one of the most corrupt entities in the history of mankind.
Albert Pike described in detail how the Freemasons would be an integral part of the NWO.
Anyone who defends the freemasons or is one, is a traitor. And people who are part of secret societies involved in the deepest roots of the DS, are only pretending to be on our side.
Anyone who believes they know the truth is incapable of hearing (/seeing/listening to/entertaining) any evidence that runs contrary to their beliefs. We live in the Matrix. Nothing is what it seems to be. Keep your eyes open or risk remaining in The Matrix.
Never call me a shill. I don't shill. I look at evidence, debate evidence, show evidence. Just because I don't believe what you believe doesn't make me a shill, it only makes me a person who doesn't believe your beliefs.
Even if that were true (which it isn't exactly true) and even if I believed Albert Pike completely (which I don't), it still wouldn't mean that all Freemasons are the enemy. It would only mean that the organization itself would be used to bring about the NWO (which I agree there is substantial evidence to support such a claim). There is also substantial evidence that there are Freemason factions. Why would one ignore that evidence just to proclaim some definitive (i.e. "All Freemasons are Evil because I have seen evidence that some Freemasons are Evil").
You may now proceed to Go Fuck Yourself.
I am a seeker of the Truth, nothing more and nothing less. Even if I am a terrible one (I have no idea what the Truth is), that doesn't make me anything more or less than that. Your idea of what I must be because I don't share your beliefs is irrelevant to me. You can keep your beliefs on what I must be to yourself, as I will keep my opinions on what you are to myself (believe me, that is for the best).
I'm not the one defending a secrety society at the root of DS operations worldwide lmao. You are.
You're all triggered because more than likely you are one of the traitors yourself. Freemasons are shit stains on society, always were and always will be.
You're way behind, kid. Way behind.
Actually I'm not doing that at all. This is what I said:
I said that them, being the enemy, "is not as clear as people want it to be."
I never said there was no evidence of any particular Freemason being an enemy, or that the Freemason organization itself wasn't implicated in fuckery, nor are either of those ideas implicit in my statement. I never even said that the organization wasn't at the root of the DS operations (though I do not think they are "the root", but there is substantial evidence that they are a big part of it).
Learn to read before jumping on your favorite conclusion lest you get it completely wrong.
Ad hominem attacks only serve to prevent debate and investigations into the Truth. Until you learn that, you will never be helpful in that endeavor.
Hate to break it to you pal, but Slyver is right here.
There is A LOT more to occult studies that is not understood by the lot of us.
Christianity itself is filled with occult knowledge and references.
The word simply means "hidden".
It's all knowledge, systems of science, philosophy, and spirituality. Just because some choose to use said tools for evil does not make said tools or subjects inherently evil.
Guarantee you that there are "good" freemasons, "good" occultic christians, etc. There's a real lightside/darkside thing going on here and there's not one simple answer, as many would like to believe.
Normal Americans can join it. If they were all bad, we would’ve known by now.
So tell me, I see your stance in Freemasonry.
What about Q?
When I see a post like yours contradicting what I know Q has stated directly, it catches my attention.
1632 - Jun 28, 2018 8:04:44 PM EDT
“Make Freemasonry Great Again.
The Clowns infiltrated it and have been abusing it's hierarchy for far too long.” -1947578
Most all powerful organizations have sinister components.
With power comes corruption.
Like alphabet agencies, not all are bad apples.
Should the bad spoil the bunch? Q
It's entirely possible, but at the same time, people do tend to believe they know the Truth. We have been trained to believe that we can know the truth by The Matrix. If we can know the truth, then others can also know the truth. If others can know the truth then we can trust what others have to say. If we trust what others have to say, then we can be easily led around by the nose, and the Matrix is self containing, easily keeping everyone in the box.
We are trained to be this way, so it is not necessarily a good idea to think that those following that training are our enemies. It is rather more likely that they are just not yet sufficiently awake.
Nevertheless, that behavior is also exactly what COINTELPRO is, so who knows.
Keep your eyes open, always. :)
Masons are a nice fraternity that does nice things and eat a lot of spaghetti.
I don't doubt that high echelon Freemasons are in the cabal, but my dad and grandfather were Masons because it was viewed as a good thing to do, and I don't think they had a clue as to the real aims of the cabal. Neither of them was religious and they probably viewed any Luciferian stuff they were exposed to as not being plausible. IMO there are probably a lot of low-level Masons that don't really understand the underlying meanings of the Masonic stuff.
When Masons take the "oath" it's my understanding they have to remove their clothing, their wedding rings, anything that shows "allegiance" to any other power - including God. This is why it's anti-Christian. Without question many who join are decent people - but I personally believe, they were misled. All that being said...I also think the Masons as we know them today, were perhaps not what they once were...and have morphed in some fashion over the years. I'm no expert on the history.
Well you are required to belive in god and the divestment is purely symbolic
George Washington the traitor.
If you can't differentiate between GW era masonry and today, I don't know what to tell you lol
Why don't you know what to tell me?
How about sharing some way in which they're different? If it's hard to think of any, maybe it means the differences aren't so significant? I don't know.
BTW I know next to nothing about Freemasonry except it's centuries old and full of highly bullshit secretiveness...and features the right and obligation to kill other members if they reveal the secrets. And George Washington was in it, and Monty Python mocked the shit out of it.
Was George Washington the enemy?
He was an officer in the British Army once. Once! Kek!
GW was not involved at the top of the modern worlds DS plans. Similar thing happened to the Church. Many good things end up terrible. Masonry is one of them.
Would it be possible for a handful of masons to have a change of heart at some point? Like Trump?
Yes
People in this movement do so much research and great critical thinking, and then turn around and judge people by one tiny thing. One major portion of being a critical thinker is to know that you don't and can't know everything. We need to know when to set things aside and just move on for a bit, until more pieces come together.
Freemasonry isn’t one tiny thing. It’s a society that has secret initiation rituals that ultimately filters the most evil of the bunch up to various degrees. Basically they trade their souls for power and influence, the higher they go. It’s hard to trust anyone who is a mason, until it’s known what degree they are. And as they’re highly secretive, one never knows unless revealed. Do we know what degree mason Stallone is? He’s fairly famous and has achieved success. Was it organic or was it his Freemasonry?
There is virtually no such thing as organic success. If you're famous it's because you paid dues somewhere.
Questions worth asking.
Brilliant. Some say they've seen Trump doing the hidden hand. Warring self interest serves us, if whoever is warring for us wants to preserve constitutional rights and freedoms.
SUMMARY of interaction: For those who want to TLDR this wonderful comment thread....
Silver: Freemasons? The issue is not as simple as people think. Definition of enemy: "Everyone working against that (our remaining stuck in the Matrix), no matter their association or even what they have done is not our enemy"
Dear Leader: There can be no distinction. I only think in terms of groups, and associations, and there can be no variance on that point. Therefore, "The Freemasons" are by definition NOT working against our remaining in the Matrix. Not a single one. They are all rotten, and there can be no doubt that NONE of them are not working to undermine us.
Silver: I think we should take a more nuanced approach to how we evaluate who or what our enemies are.
Dear Leader: No. I refuse. And because you are even attempting a more nuanced examination of the issue, you are a SHILL, and evil. Begone!
Silver: dude... Open you're mind a bit here. Can't you see that you're so identified with what you think is evil that you have pigeon-holed your own thinking? That's not helpful.
Dear Leader: whaa...? how dare y... ! You are.....!!! Well, you're an idiot! So there.
Silver: Hey, comon. Can't we at least have a rational discussion?
Dear Leader: well, you're a poopy head! And I hate the Freemasons, and you are defending them, so you're a double poopy head!
Silver: Damn, man. I'm NOT defending them. I'm saying, there's more too it. Anyway, <facepalm>. Jerk.
Dear Leader: Yeah, well my argument is better than your argument, so there. Dad said so.
Silver: No it's not.
Dear Leader: yes it is.
END.
See? This is how to have a productive interaction. Siblings will be siblings....
Edit: Dear Leader could have easily avoided this entire back and forth argument by simply agreeing with Silver's definition and then stating, well, in my opinion NO freemasons are working against us staying in the Matrix.
Instead, Dear Leader decided to attack Silver's line of thinking (seeking greater nuance) and completely avoided the reasonable yet uncontentious difference of opinion on whether or not ALL freemasons (or the ENTIRE freemason community as a whole) are working against our being freed from the Matrix.
He chose to argue the line of thinking, in order to defend his position (opinion).
Conclusion: Silver wins the argument by virtue of the fact that Dear Leader's approach was not so much based in reason as it was in a defensive attitude, instead of simply owning the disagreement.
8 points to House Lone Ranger, 5 points to House North Korea.