It is quite a story. But he isn't telling us his name, or what facility he was in, or what date or when it happened. We can't research anything about this because he hasn't given any hard information.
He says he wants to tell it to Alex Jones or Stew Peters. Hmm....
Don't get me wrong, I do not think the hospitals are behaving with any ethics whatsoever. I think they just wait (with no real treatment) for a patient to get sick enough for the vent, then it is Remdesivir until they die. Then they get paid.
But this story seems to be a bit glowy to me. Like we are supposed to bite and run with it, when we have no way to verify anything. Then later we can be mocked for spreading it. Or maybe just a grifter that wants money for the story.
He said it was two days ago. He's not naming the facility in order for him to reveal that specific detail in an actual interview, I bet. That, or he's not naming them yet in order to sue them properly later.
He sounds genuine, but if I were him, I would be afraid they will track him down to silence him.
Lapstrike doesn't understand twitter threads or Nitter despite being told how it works multiple times. He's on here a shitload and still doesn't know what the hell he's on about. Sit on /new like him and you'll farm the same ignorant upvotes as him. Oh but make a YouTube video and he'll click that shit. Cuz ya'know the DS only supports twitter and @Jack. Not that Alphabet Google shit.
I was at first impressed by the guy's sincerity but over time grew more and more convinced that he either is a glowie or a grifter, wanting to get paid for his story.
I call 'em as I see 'em. I could be wrong, but that's my impression.
ET-tubes (used for ventilation) have an inflatable cuff that keep them in place and to seal off the lungs from aspirating vomit. They are not impossible to self remove without deflating but it would be very painful to do so.
The catheters used in hospital settings have a cuff that is inflated INSIDE the bladder after it is inserted so removing without deflating it first would be like pulling something the size of a walnut through 8" of urethra, passing through an S curve along the way.
You’re the only person who’s making sense about this person‘s claims. Thank you for speaking truth. I live in Arizona. And there are so many questions I have about his video, how the accident happened, and then what happened the hospital, and how he claims to have taken all those things out of his body. I just don’t see the credibility in this. There are a lot of lunatics in Arizona a bunch of meth heads, but he was very busy moving about when he was talking kept taking his hat off to show his cuts and stuff like that. Also he didn’t have an ID. Come on people why do people just want to believe anything that some idiot puts on the Internet
Thanks. I'm not even saying the guys lying - just pointing out the reasons why what he claims to have happened seem unlikely or, at the least, his recollection of what happened may be skewed because of a decreased level of consciousness after the accident either by injury, the effects of sedation or both.
Anyone on a vent is continuously monitored. Usually through glass walls or half walls, and the 1:2 nurse ratio seeing the same things on their computer monitors, as what is displayed via the actual monitors hooked to the patients.
They’re often times on pressure sensitive beds, that will alert anyone and everyone to movement.
If they’ve (the patient) had any sort of movement before, their wrists will be bound just enough so that they can move, but not reach the intubation tubing.
It’s possible that someone could take out their own IV. But removing other medical devices with no medical knowledge would be impossible.
So it’s extremely unlikely that someone “woke up” on computer-moduled sedation medication drips (more than one) plus BP cuffs, plus lower legs pumps, plus foley catheter, plus the more than likely pressure-sensitive bed that would have sent alerts off all through out the ward. The IV drips themselves start alerting when less than an hour is left of the remaining medication.
Dude may have been able to remove his intubation tube, but even that would take careful, specific thoughts and movement. That thing is taped to your face, for the specific purpose of it not being dislocated, or causing further damage.
Then there’s that whole issue with the Foley catheter. Unless ol dude knew what he was doing, his entire urinary tract is now fubar’d for life, probably along with his ability to form an erection.
I’m not in the medical field, have only witnessed family members who were on a vent, but seeing this guy getting traction anywhere with this story is worrisome.
Pulled a few IV's out myself, the hard part is getting it to stop bleeding without gauze or cloth i.e. ur fingers. Idk about catheters though, fuuuuuck that.
Check out the second link I put - it has a pretty good graphic for what catheters look like and where they are placed - imagine puling that through your pee-hole - yikes. They feel pretty damn uncomfortable being removed when they are deflated so I can;t even imagine the pain if removed while still inflated.
Usually by people that are combative and not coherent.
My guess he was an asshole at the scene, maybe intoxicated, and he required restraining to assess him for life threatening injuries.
I heard somewhere for males you get about 5 catheters in ur life and your dickhole is perma-damaged / leaky. I have no idea, never had one. Hope i never do. Watched a guy in a homwless shelter cry in pain for days for a bladder issue, had the catheter / bag strapped to his knee and could not pee on his own. Sitting in a recliner croaking. It was fucked up. Poor fella. Scared the bejeezus outta me.
Catheterization can stretch the urethra and sometimes that's the aim. The fellow in the wheelchair might have had prostatitis, for example, and needed the catheter to keep the urine flowing.
I thought yesterday just as you do. Some of his story makes sense in some scenarios, some doesn't and sounds like garbled memory. He lost me on the drugs that he said the nurses told him he was being given.
There's probably more to it.
He doesn't recall the events of the accident so there is obvious head injury.
Who knows how he was behaving immediately after that head injury?
If he had altered mentation, intoxicated, or combative he probably would have gotten intubated.
When someone is in a rollover crash you have to control the situation quickly, work them up, and ensure they don't have any immediate life threatening injuries.
Some hospitals are bad. But not everything is about money or trying to kill patients
He said the hospital was in Flagstaff. Flagstaff is not that big of place - there are two hospitals there so that would narrow the search down. Medivac would transport to a hospital certified as a trauma center if at all possible - Flagstaff Medical Center (one of the two hospitals in Flagstaff) is the only level 1 trauma center north of Phoenix so my bet would be that was where he went (assuming his story has at least the location correct).
What he is describing, based on 20+ years working in EMS, is protocols called Rapid Sequence Intubation (RSI). RSI is used frequently in Medivax and the head trauma scenario you described is one of the the situations where that almost always happens. The reason for it sometimes being done possibly early on in treatment is because intubating a patient while in flight can be very hard or even impossible to do so they do it before loading the patient into the helicopter. There are no EMS x-ray machines so the medics have no way of knowing the severity of internal injuries based only on external observations so they have to plan for worse case scenario when they have prolonged transport times because things can go from looking stable to "oh shit" in a split second. Sometimes those calls (Medivac vs. ground transport, RSI vs not, etc.) are made simply on the basis of the mechanism of injury - meaning, "Damn, that is one bad wreck - no way this guy did not get injured during that".
They told his family he had a broken nose and acute pancreatitis, based on WHAT exactly? And didn't mention the "covid" diagnosis? Not any protocol I've ever heard of- he's talking about hospital, not emt. They had time to scan or x-ray by then.
The hospital is not the ones that sedated and intubated him, EMS did - that's by his own statement. I tried to explain why that would be done by EMS and it has absolutely nothing to do with money so please explain how I am being naive for describing when/why/and how EMS does that. You're putting a lot of faith in believing this guys recollection of events after an accident that he could not even remember happened - I'm stating my own personal observations from working in EMS for over 20 years.
It really is time that people who don't trust hospitals got a tattoo saying so.
Then the hospitals can avoid wasting their time treating the fuckers. Let them heal themselves, without any medical interference, in a pool of blood out on the street.
It is quite a story. But he isn't telling us his name, or what facility he was in, or what date or when it happened. We can't research anything about this because he hasn't given any hard information.
He says he wants to tell it to Alex Jones or Stew Peters. Hmm....
Don't get me wrong, I do not think the hospitals are behaving with any ethics whatsoever. I think they just wait (with no real treatment) for a patient to get sick enough for the vent, then it is Remdesivir until they die. Then they get paid.
But this story seems to be a bit glowy to me. Like we are supposed to bite and run with it, when we have no way to verify anything. Then later we can be mocked for spreading it. Or maybe just a grifter that wants money for the story.
He said it was two days ago. He's not naming the facility in order for him to reveal that specific detail in an actual interview, I bet. That, or he's not naming them yet in order to sue them properly later.
He sounds genuine, but if I were him, I would be afraid they will track him down to silence him.
Well I wouldn't spread this until verified. It could be designed to discredit us.
Lapstrike doesn't understand twitter threads or Nitter despite being told how it works multiple times. He's on here a shitload and still doesn't know what the hell he's on about. Sit on /new like him and you'll farm the same ignorant upvotes as him. Oh but make a YouTube video and he'll click that shit. Cuz ya'know the DS only supports twitter and @Jack. Not that Alphabet Google shit.
His name is Benjamin (Ben) Gordon and was at Flagstaff Medical Center
https://www.independentconservative.com/2022/02/03/benjamin-ben-gordons-first-interview-man-who-extubated-himself-and-escaped-a-covid-death-protocol/
Thanks.
When people purposely search out known Clowns to "tell" their story, it's usually because that person is themselves a Clown.
Not saying this type of stuff doesn't happen, just that this guy is highly sus.
Hey go watch his interview with the independentconservative. Noon3For2024 (above) posted the link.
He seems quite coherent, has all the details, gives names, places, etc.
I believe him.
I was at first impressed by the guy's sincerity but over time grew more and more convinced that he either is a glowie or a grifter, wanting to get paid for his story.
I call 'em as I see 'em. I could be wrong, but that's my impression.
Removing the IV would not be hard.
ET-tubes (used for ventilation) have an inflatable cuff that keep them in place and to seal off the lungs from aspirating vomit. They are not impossible to self remove without deflating but it would be very painful to do so.
https://www.radiologymasterclass.co.uk/tutorials/chest/chest_tubes/chest_xray_et_tubes_anatomy
The catheters used in hospital settings have a cuff that is inflated INSIDE the bladder after it is inserted so removing without deflating it first would be like pulling something the size of a walnut through 8" of urethra, passing through an S curve along the way.
https://www.suna.org/download/catheterInsertionMaleCCP.pdf
You decide if this guys story is credible or not.
You’re the only person who’s making sense about this person‘s claims. Thank you for speaking truth. I live in Arizona. And there are so many questions I have about his video, how the accident happened, and then what happened the hospital, and how he claims to have taken all those things out of his body. I just don’t see the credibility in this. There are a lot of lunatics in Arizona a bunch of meth heads, but he was very busy moving about when he was talking kept taking his hat off to show his cuts and stuff like that. Also he didn’t have an ID. Come on people why do people just want to believe anything that some idiot puts on the Internet
Thanks. I'm not even saying the guys lying - just pointing out the reasons why what he claims to have happened seem unlikely or, at the least, his recollection of what happened may be skewed because of a decreased level of consciousness after the accident either by injury, the effects of sedation or both.
Anyone on a vent is continuously monitored. Usually through glass walls or half walls, and the 1:2 nurse ratio seeing the same things on their computer monitors, as what is displayed via the actual monitors hooked to the patients.
They’re often times on pressure sensitive beds, that will alert anyone and everyone to movement.
If they’ve (the patient) had any sort of movement before, their wrists will be bound just enough so that they can move, but not reach the intubation tubing.
It’s possible that someone could take out their own IV. But removing other medical devices with no medical knowledge would be impossible.
So it’s extremely unlikely that someone “woke up” on computer-moduled sedation medication drips (more than one) plus BP cuffs, plus lower legs pumps, plus foley catheter, plus the more than likely pressure-sensitive bed that would have sent alerts off all through out the ward. The IV drips themselves start alerting when less than an hour is left of the remaining medication.
Dude may have been able to remove his intubation tube, but even that would take careful, specific thoughts and movement. That thing is taped to your face, for the specific purpose of it not being dislocated, or causing further damage.
Then there’s that whole issue with the Foley catheter. Unless ol dude knew what he was doing, his entire urinary tract is now fubar’d for life, probably along with his ability to form an erection.
I’m not in the medical field, have only witnessed family members who were on a vent, but seeing this guy getting traction anywhere with this story is worrisome.
Pulled a few IV's out myself, the hard part is getting it to stop bleeding without gauze or cloth i.e. ur fingers. Idk about catheters though, fuuuuuck that.
Check out the second link I put - it has a pretty good graphic for what catheters look like and where they are placed - imagine puling that through your pee-hole - yikes. They feel pretty damn uncomfortable being removed when they are deflated so I can;t even imagine the pain if removed while still inflated.
Bladder catheters do get pulled out. Usually causing urethral damage and a big bloody mess.
Usually by people that are combative and not coherent. My guess he was an asshole at the scene, maybe intoxicated, and he required restraining to assess him for life threatening injuries.
I heard somewhere for males you get about 5 catheters in ur life and your dickhole is perma-damaged / leaky. I have no idea, never had one. Hope i never do. Watched a guy in a homwless shelter cry in pain for days for a bladder issue, had the catheter / bag strapped to his knee and could not pee on his own. Sitting in a recliner croaking. It was fucked up. Poor fella. Scared the bejeezus outta me.
Catheterization can stretch the urethra and sometimes that's the aim. The fellow in the wheelchair might have had prostatitis, for example, and needed the catheter to keep the urine flowing.
I thought yesterday just as you do. Some of his story makes sense in some scenarios, some doesn't and sounds like garbled memory. He lost me on the drugs that he said the nurses told him he was being given.
There's probably more to it. He doesn't recall the events of the accident so there is obvious head injury. Who knows how he was behaving immediately after that head injury? If he had altered mentation, intoxicated, or combative he probably would have gotten intubated. When someone is in a rollover crash you have to control the situation quickly, work them up, and ensure they don't have any immediate life threatening injuries. Some hospitals are bad. But not everything is about money or trying to kill patients
He said the hospital was in Flagstaff. Flagstaff is not that big of place - there are two hospitals there so that would narrow the search down. Medivac would transport to a hospital certified as a trauma center if at all possible - Flagstaff Medical Center (one of the two hospitals in Flagstaff) is the only level 1 trauma center north of Phoenix so my bet would be that was where he went (assuming his story has at least the location correct).
What he is describing, based on 20+ years working in EMS, is protocols called Rapid Sequence Intubation (RSI). RSI is used frequently in Medivax and the head trauma scenario you described is one of the the situations where that almost always happens. The reason for it sometimes being done possibly early on in treatment is because intubating a patient while in flight can be very hard or even impossible to do so they do it before loading the patient into the helicopter. There are no EMS x-ray machines so the medics have no way of knowing the severity of internal injuries based only on external observations so they have to plan for worse case scenario when they have prolonged transport times because things can go from looking stable to "oh shit" in a split second. Sometimes those calls (Medivac vs. ground transport, RSI vs not, etc.) are made simply on the basis of the mechanism of injury - meaning, "Damn, that is one bad wreck - no way this guy did not get injured during that".
RSI explained in link:
https://www.hahv.org/Uploads/Public/Documents/HealthAlliance%20PDFs/Provider%20Portal/RSI%20Information%20Margaretville%20only%202.28.17.pdf
It's too hard to explain ATLS protocol to non med people. Especially on a damn cell phone
They told his family he had a broken nose and acute pancreatitis, based on WHAT exactly? And didn't mention the "covid" diagnosis? Not any protocol I've ever heard of- he's talking about hospital, not emt. They had time to scan or x-ray by then.
It literally is all about money with these hospitals though. Don't be so naive.
The hospital is not the ones that sedated and intubated him, EMS did - that's by his own statement. I tried to explain why that would be done by EMS and it has absolutely nothing to do with money so please explain how I am being naive for describing when/why/and how EMS does that. You're putting a lot of faith in believing this guys recollection of events after an accident that he could not even remember happened - I'm stating my own personal observations from working in EMS for over 20 years.
I was referring to hospital protocols. They are absolutely all about the financial incentives in deciding the protocol of treatment people get.
Obviously not disputing that EMS were the ones who intubated him
They told his family he had a broken nose and acute pancreatitis, based on WHAT exactly? And didn't mention the "covid" diagnosis?
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It really is time that people who don't trust hospitals got a tattoo saying so.
Then the hospitals can avoid wasting their time treating the fuckers. Let them heal themselves, without any medical interference, in a pool of blood out on the street.