I’m totally on board with IF, I do 19/5 daily and a 72 hour fast about once every 3 weeks, but suggesting someone can consume absolutely whatever they want within a certain window and lose weight and feel good is false.
I challenge you tomorrow during your non fasting window to drink a 24 pack case of coca-cola and report back how you feel.
I have a 4 hour feeding window(eat first at around 2pm, then again at around 6pm and that's it), it's very doable, but even then I don't eat a bunch of garbage of course
Though going keto is just not doable for me right now, i'd like to try it someday for a while, but I can't let go of my rice and beans for now (i'm Brazilian)
Eating anytime of the day is not very good, every time you eat (carbs or not) you spike your insulin, sure by completely cutting carbs you force the body to use fat, but you still might get the bad effects of insulin resistance
Imo the better advice is to do some intermittent fasting, could be as easy as 16/8 (16 hour fast, 8 hour feeding window), already gets great results and it's very simple to stick to, plus while not cutting carbs completely, sticking to good quality real food carbs (like rice and beans, sweet potatoes, fruit) and not the highly processed stuff
Also saying not to worry about physical activity is folly... muscle protects, and exercise greatly increases metabolic rates and boosts the immune system, not to mention that it keeps you strong for when that's needed... and it might be
i work out 5 times a week minimum, and highly recommend everyone do as well, I do it at home, with the bare minimum of equipment (pullup bar of the kind you put in a door jamb, and a couple adjustable dumbells), but even with no equipment at all there's plenty one can do.
If it's some of the best in the world or not idk, and indeed the Gauchos love their beef heh.
Thing is it still costs way too much, I cannot afford eating only meat, I need the rice and beans (and vegetables, fruits etc) to fill the gap, because it's cheap... and imo, it's quality food.
I can go for 24 hour fasts no problem too(after all I fast for 20 hours every day), and I eat carbs (I try to avoid pastry/any wheat products as much as I can though)
As for the insulin spike, as I said, it happens when you eat, period, it's a normal(and necessary) response from the body when eating, doesn't matter what you eat, that's why the best practice is to avoid snacking, just have 2, maybe 3 meals in the day tops.
yes some things spike it worse than others, but the spike is there regardless.
And I never mentioned anything about you saying that "physical activity isn't good", I said that it was folly to suggest that people "don't worry about physical activity" (that's what you said verbatum).
After all is the objective to be healthy or to turn into a stick? sure you can lose the fat by having a severely strict diet, but is that enough? or would you want to be strong and healthy also? for that exercising is imperative.
intermittent fasting is much much easier when you are fat-adapted
Well, but that's the thing, IF gets you to be fat adapted by itself, after all you're FASTING for a long periods of time, what does the body use in that time for food? :) keto just might jumpstart it a bit faster.
Every time you eat, your insulin spikes a bit, regardless of what you're eating. My guess is the constant insulin spikes, which can have a bad effect on one's health over a long period of time, is what the OP meant.
Are you still in ketosis if you’re under the 50g carb? Can you still eat that piece of bread, pasta or whatever as long as it’s under 50g and be in ketosis? Or will you stop being in ketosis?
The benefit of intermittent fasting is the break from eating is when your body utilizes the food consumed to undergo cellular repair and healing, which it can't do very well if it's busy processing and digesting food. Pick any 16 hr window that works for you. I stop eating at 8 pm and resume at noon the following day. You can cheat a little (keto fat bombs for example), but no protein or carbs so your pancreas can sleep through it. I use a body comp scale and came to the conclusion you can't really burn fat unless you lay off alcohol. Same as sugar. Fructose (hidden in processed foods) and alcohol disable your leptin response; leptin is what your body produces to tell you to take the fork out of your mouth you've eaten enough.
I know a woman in her early 60’s, she’s been doing this way of eating for longer than I’ve known her which is 25 years. Her skin looks awful, wrinkled and droopy. She’s slim, but has NO stamina or endurance when we’re hiking. She’s also become scatterbrained and forgetful.
While this diet can be useful to get the fat off, I wouldn’t call it the fountain of youth for some women.
There’s healthy keto and then dirty keto. Does she also eat a lot of greens and veggies? Maybe she’s deficient in vitamins or maybe the diet isn’t for her ?
Don't think either-or. Intermittent fasting and low-carb (not necessarily full keto) go wonderfully well together. In fact I feel doing both at the same time is actually easier than doing either on its own.
Kinda sorta I guess, when I first started doing IF, without being on keto, yeah it was a bit hard, but after my body got fat adapted it's a breeze, I often go for 48 hour fasts without much hassle.
Keto just gets you fat adapted faster, you might still fell the hunger spikes in the times you were used to eat though, because that's just a natural response from the body, but it goes away pretty fast.
Low carb works because fat and protein are more satisfying so you need less of it, and under ketosis you burn fat reserves instead of storing it which is the most Integral function of insulin as it pertains to weight.
Carbs digest quickly and insulin makes you crave more food. That doesn't make it bad on its own.
Low carb is also not the norm and people have survived just fine and remained in amazing shape despite it. I prefer keto myself, but carb cycling is actually better for weight loss and muscle gain.
Essentially, you don't have full grasp of the story or the biomechanics of the human body. You are someone who threw themselves into low carb and declared it the best because you saw the results you wanted.
When you get down and dirty with how the human body works, you learn that carbs are good when used correctly and in moderate proportion.
Carb cycling once a year won't do anything. Our bodies adapt extremely fast, which is what carb cycling exploits.
When bulking or doing a weight loss regimen, carb cycling is usually done on a 3-4 day cycle. By cycling between high, medium, and low fat/carbs/protein in various controlled proportions, you are constantly tricking your body's mechanics to burn fat while maintaining its health.
Simultaneously, you're allowing your body the supplies it needs to build muscle and repair itself, and your brain the supplies it needs to think clearly and do a good job maintaining its chemical balances.
Also simultaneously, you are preventing your body from entering a stage where it thinks it's starving, which actually makes it harder to lose weight and easier to gain it because it increases your stress and the body clamps down on functions to be more efficient with its energy stores, a very bad combination when losing or maintaining weight.
Incidentally this function is also why eating a strict diet is often bad for weight loss; cycling or just..not caring too much about your caloric intake (within reason) prevents your body from becoming too efficient with calorie burn.
If you ate the same 2K calories every day, you would stop losing weight at a point even if you were well above the weight that 2K would maintain because the body is really good at becoming efficient.
It's one of many reasons, including many outlined in my posts, that the idea that weight loss is just calorie in vs calorie out is just not true and exceedingly outdated. A lot of things factor into our weight and how we lose or keep it and it's useful to learn as many of those factors and their effects as possible, especially if you want to come to a board and essentially lecture people on diets.
And again, I am generally a keto person. I have picked up carbs again for bulking and weight loss right now, but I enjoy the effects I feel (usually) on a low or no carb diet. But I can never discount how important carbs actually are in moderation.
Eat anything you want in a six hour window and nothing outside that window and you will lose weight and feel better.
Yes 100%. I do this too. Usually don't start eating till 6PM.
Yeah I’m sure if you drank a 24 pack within a six hour window everyday you would lose weight and feel great.
Your statement isn’t true at all.
Prove it then.
I’m totally on board with IF, I do 19/5 daily and a 72 hour fast about once every 3 weeks, but suggesting someone can consume absolutely whatever they want within a certain window and lose weight and feel good is false.
I challenge you tomorrow during your non fasting window to drink a 24 pack case of coca-cola and report back how you feel.
you're an idiot
I have a 4 hour feeding window(eat first at around 2pm, then again at around 6pm and that's it), it's very doable, but even then I don't eat a bunch of garbage of course
Though going keto is just not doable for me right now, i'd like to try it someday for a while, but I can't let go of my rice and beans for now (i'm Brazilian)
Eating anytime of the day is not very good, every time you eat (carbs or not) you spike your insulin, sure by completely cutting carbs you force the body to use fat, but you still might get the bad effects of insulin resistance
Imo the better advice is to do some intermittent fasting, could be as easy as 16/8 (16 hour fast, 8 hour feeding window), already gets great results and it's very simple to stick to, plus while not cutting carbs completely, sticking to good quality real food carbs (like rice and beans, sweet potatoes, fruit) and not the highly processed stuff
Also saying not to worry about physical activity is folly... muscle protects, and exercise greatly increases metabolic rates and boosts the immune system, not to mention that it keeps you strong for when that's needed... and it might be
i work out 5 times a week minimum, and highly recommend everyone do as well, I do it at home, with the bare minimum of equipment (pullup bar of the kind you put in a door jamb, and a couple adjustable dumbells), but even with no equipment at all there's plenty one can do.
If it's some of the best in the world or not idk, and indeed the Gauchos love their beef heh.
Thing is it still costs way too much, I cannot afford eating only meat, I need the rice and beans (and vegetables, fruits etc) to fill the gap, because it's cheap... and imo, it's quality food.
I can go for 24 hour fasts no problem too(after all I fast for 20 hours every day), and I eat carbs (I try to avoid pastry/any wheat products as much as I can though)
As for the insulin spike, as I said, it happens when you eat, period, it's a normal(and necessary) response from the body when eating, doesn't matter what you eat, that's why the best practice is to avoid snacking, just have 2, maybe 3 meals in the day tops.
yes some things spike it worse than others, but the spike is there regardless.
And I never mentioned anything about you saying that "physical activity isn't good", I said that it was folly to suggest that people "don't worry about physical activity" (that's what you said verbatum).
After all is the objective to be healthy or to turn into a stick? sure you can lose the fat by having a severely strict diet, but is that enough? or would you want to be strong and healthy also? for that exercising is imperative.
Well, but that's the thing, IF gets you to be fat adapted by itself, after all you're FASTING for a long periods of time, what does the body use in that time for food? :) keto just might jumpstart it a bit faster.
Every time you eat, your insulin spikes a bit, regardless of what you're eating. My guess is the constant insulin spikes, which can have a bad effect on one's health over a long period of time, is what the OP meant.
My whole plan is one sentence and works.
Intermittent fasting is good, but if you do that plus limit carbs to 50g or less per day then your body will learn to burn fat for fuel.
Joints will feel better and inflammation will decrease.
Are you still in ketosis if you’re under the 50g carb? Can you still eat that piece of bread, pasta or whatever as long as it’s under 50g and be in ketosis? Or will you stop being in ketosis?
You’re both right. Keto + intermittent fasting is the fountain of youth.
The benefit of intermittent fasting is the break from eating is when your body utilizes the food consumed to undergo cellular repair and healing, which it can't do very well if it's busy processing and digesting food. Pick any 16 hr window that works for you. I stop eating at 8 pm and resume at noon the following day. You can cheat a little (keto fat bombs for example), but no protein or carbs so your pancreas can sleep through it. I use a body comp scale and came to the conclusion you can't really burn fat unless you lay off alcohol. Same as sugar. Fructose (hidden in processed foods) and alcohol disable your leptin response; leptin is what your body produces to tell you to take the fork out of your mouth you've eaten enough.
I know a woman in her early 60’s, she’s been doing this way of eating for longer than I’ve known her which is 25 years. Her skin looks awful, wrinkled and droopy. She’s slim, but has NO stamina or endurance when we’re hiking. She’s also become scatterbrained and forgetful.
While this diet can be useful to get the fat off, I wouldn’t call it the fountain of youth for some women.
I’ve always wondered why people on keto have funny looking skin. It looks so paper thin and wrinkly. Any idea why that is?
There’s healthy keto and then dirty keto. Does she also eat a lot of greens and veggies? Maybe she’s deficient in vitamins or maybe the diet isn’t for her ?
Fountain of youth != fountain of beauty. If that old ugly broad manages to out live you by 20 years then she might be on to something.
Yep.
Don't think either-or. Intermittent fasting and low-carb (not necessarily full keto) go wonderfully well together. In fact I feel doing both at the same time is actually easier than doing either on its own.
Kinda sorta I guess, when I first started doing IF, without being on keto, yeah it was a bit hard, but after my body got fat adapted it's a breeze, I often go for 48 hour fasts without much hassle.
Keto just gets you fat adapted faster, you might still fell the hunger spikes in the times you were used to eat though, because that's just a natural response from the body, but it goes away pretty fast.
Low carb works because fat and protein are more satisfying so you need less of it, and under ketosis you burn fat reserves instead of storing it which is the most Integral function of insulin as it pertains to weight.
Carbs digest quickly and insulin makes you crave more food. That doesn't make it bad on its own.
Low carb is also not the norm and people have survived just fine and remained in amazing shape despite it. I prefer keto myself, but carb cycling is actually better for weight loss and muscle gain.
Essentially, you don't have full grasp of the story or the biomechanics of the human body. You are someone who threw themselves into low carb and declared it the best because you saw the results you wanted.
When you get down and dirty with how the human body works, you learn that carbs are good when used correctly and in moderate proportion.
Carb cycling once a year won't do anything. Our bodies adapt extremely fast, which is what carb cycling exploits.
When bulking or doing a weight loss regimen, carb cycling is usually done on a 3-4 day cycle. By cycling between high, medium, and low fat/carbs/protein in various controlled proportions, you are constantly tricking your body's mechanics to burn fat while maintaining its health.
Simultaneously, you're allowing your body the supplies it needs to build muscle and repair itself, and your brain the supplies it needs to think clearly and do a good job maintaining its chemical balances.
Also simultaneously, you are preventing your body from entering a stage where it thinks it's starving, which actually makes it harder to lose weight and easier to gain it because it increases your stress and the body clamps down on functions to be more efficient with its energy stores, a very bad combination when losing or maintaining weight.
Incidentally this function is also why eating a strict diet is often bad for weight loss; cycling or just..not caring too much about your caloric intake (within reason) prevents your body from becoming too efficient with calorie burn.
If you ate the same 2K calories every day, you would stop losing weight at a point even if you were well above the weight that 2K would maintain because the body is really good at becoming efficient.
It's one of many reasons, including many outlined in my posts, that the idea that weight loss is just calorie in vs calorie out is just not true and exceedingly outdated. A lot of things factor into our weight and how we lose or keep it and it's useful to learn as many of those factors and their effects as possible, especially if you want to come to a board and essentially lecture people on diets.
And again, I am generally a keto person. I have picked up carbs again for bulking and weight loss right now, but I enjoy the effects I feel (usually) on a low or no carb diet. But I can never discount how important carbs actually are in moderation.