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There is no separation from an entity that's simultaneously everywhere. It's a fallacy and one you cannot fix with a "separation from God" type of eternal judgement.
There is no separation from something that's everywhere. You want it both ways and you can't have it that way.
We are talking about the God who says “I am the Alpha and Omega”, right?
So how can a God that “just is” have a beginning and an ending?
My point is, human logic based on facts that derive from a persons learnt experiences on Earth is not capable of fully explaining what God is or isn’t capable of, maybe that’s something we can both agree on.?
There’s so much I can’t explain about God, like, where does His power derive from? Yet, I still believe because I realize my logic/understanding is limited to my experience here on Earth or dimension ooor whatever the hell you want to call it🤷🏻♂️
*I just think it’s better I don’t place limitations on God based on what I think is possible.
Also, you are defining the Bible’s use of the word separation as you see fit.
What if it’s actually meant to mean you have no access to God? What if it’s meant to mean the balance of good and evil doesn’t exist where a non-believer goes after death because God has removed Himself from the equation?
We really don’t know what is meant by a separation from God, it’s not clearly defined in the Bible.
My hope for non-believers is that it means there is nothing in-store for them after death, consciousness and life just ends.
The other narratives that man have come up with due to their fear of God, are just that, narratives from a fearful mind.
You also clearly don't understand how belief works. What you believe is a culmination and combination of a myriad of variables such as life experience and circumstance. Encounters and events influence your beliefs on any subject.
Yet, you Christians STILL believe we can believe anything we WANT to. This isn't how things work at all. And yet, you champion a system of reward/punishment that judges based on what a person believes.
You really believe a person who's buried their child, and a person who has not are challenged the very same way when it comes to belief in an "all loving" deity?
I guarantee you the one who's buried their kid is going to have a harder time with that belief. But you all treat it like we all have the same equal shot at belief.
C'mon, this isn't how life works at all! Your system of reward created by your "all-knowing," "all-loving" God is largely a roll of the dice and isn't just at all. Think!
I never said any of those things.
Who told you someone would be judged the same?
Who am I to say how God will judge? I know there are preachers/ministers that will tell you with an absoluteness how God will judge, but God is the ultimate judge and that’s that for me.
I can point to what the Bible says, but even then God is God and he makes the rules.
Like I said, I try not to put limits on God.
Jesus did.... How does one get into heaven??? All he said was we must believe.
If nothing is literal and open to interpretation... Well, that would seem a problematic medium to disseminate the truth.
I respect your view tho.
Since you're asserting the other narratives are false, I will assert that the bible and its narratives are as well.
You're a slave to a system of thought policing and victimization. Doubt is shunned and real truth never, ever derides doubt. Doubt is a motivator that leads to scrutiny and a pursuit of truth that once verified only re-enforces the truth. Truth should welcome doubt.
These verses are something a cult leader would say to keep their secrets hidden and the scheme alive. But since it's coming from "God's book." It's okay.
The biggest conspiracy out there is organized religion. But fortunately, its days are numbered.
The things we are talking about were/have never been explained to me from the pulpit or through my Christian private school education. Ministers/priest, what have you, are not so willing to have this conversation in front of a congregation out of fear of alienating or confusing their people.
I came to my understanding through conversation, reading, prayer and thought. Similar to what you and I are doing right now.
I have never been someone that anyone would look up too as an example of how a Christian should behave. Regardless of what I was taught in my younger life I still questioned and for the most part behaved like a non-believer.
So, if the Koolaide was past by me I obviously did not drink from it. Because who wants Koolaide when there’s plenty of beer, whiskey, wine and blow🤷🏻♂️. As I aged I realized all of those good time vices brought me nothing, but pain and misery. It wasn’t until I went searching for a more meaningful existence that I came back to God. Even then it wasn't a ground shaking life altering event. It took me years to come to a comfortable understanding of God.
It seems like you have a problem with religion and not so much God.
If that’s true, I GET IT.
Great comment. Yeah, I grew up in the church and after 25 years I left.
On the planet I live on, we judge people based on their behaviors not their beliefs. Ask your deity to use that system instead and let me know what he/she/they say.
To clarify, I’m not asserting the other narratives are false. Honestly, I don’t know.
More importantly to me, I don’t “believe” out of fear of what will happen to me if I die not believing. I chose to believe because I believe there is a God that created this existence and to me that is the God of Abraham and much more.
And you worship a deity that wants to punish me for simply concluding the wrong thing? Do you understand how that's divisive and somewhat offensive? Do you have a torture chamber in your basement? Why not? You worship a deity that created, engineered and implemented one for people guilty of wrong think (OMG anything but THAT!). Seems to me people that think this is okay and actually worship this being should be looked into for everyone else's safety. After all, you endorse torture in certain circumstances... It exposes primitive thinking... Like Muslims revering a mass-murdering pedo they call Mohammad. Hopefully, you can see how many of us on the outside are concerned that this world-view is not only common, it's endorsed. Uhhhh....
Regardless, being wrong despite sincere pursuit and honest searching is worthy of death? Uhh.... Welcome to being human? We're fucking wrong about shit all the time and that's even with things we can observe. But I'm supposed to be right about my opinions from an ancient text with questionable origins and extraordinary claims(council of Nicea)? Uhhh...
Nothing about that is "all loving." Especially once one understands how beliefs work.
It's a sharp ideology (Christianity). It's got a lot of people fooled because it cloaks its evil rather well. But it's still evil.