So, this post is based on a lot of assumptions...
Assuming illegal immigrants are coming to the US because they understandand and value freedom and opportunity...
Assuming illegals would be willing to assimilate and be aprt of the culture and espouse American values...
Assuming illegals would work hard and build a life worthy of the American Dream...
Assuming illegals would be law-abiding as much as the average American...
And assuming conservatives would be the role models that illegals would look up to...
Maybe there's a way to swing the illegal flow to our advantage. Are the above solutions unrealistic? Why are they trying to get here?
Obviously stopping the flow is the priority. BUT, while it's happening what are we doing to get them to choose our side?
They aren't.
They are locusts coming for gibs. To consume as much as possible, as quickly as possible before everything is gone.
By definition, their first act on U.S. soil was to commit a crime.
They are criminals.
And to dilute the white races out of existence. White Genocide! We all know it but are afraid to talk about it. NO MORE!
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Ah.. more race victimization!
Thanks for participating in the exercise
How many are coming over the border who will never be sent back? Until it is closed, it is open. And as long as it is open I think we need better solutions than your pithy statements.
Are you proof-reading?
The reason they is illegal is 'cos they be breakin laws.
And did you read the full context? It was a comparative statement. But thanks for playing
Ok, I'll play some more: Define the average American that is being held up as an example of non-law abiding, i.e. illegal, comparison.
That's an interesting request, as I did not say that any average Americans were being held up. But I think you're curious to know why I said law-abiding as much as the average American, implying that average Americans have some room to improve. All nationallities commit crimes. The real question is whether or not the illegal people are more crime-committing than not, and my assumption was for the purpose of the thought exercise. Can you prove that the ratio of criminals among illegals (beyond the crime of illegal immigration) is higher than among Americans? I am not saying it's not true, but I only ever see sensationalized stories from both sides of politics. I am not a bleeding heart... quite the opposite. But I see a problem that is not being addressed. We have illegals here, and what if there is a general amnesty passed by the cabal? We will have missed the opportunity to shape them in our mold. I don't know... maybe what I am thinking is too pie in the sky... but I do know that there is no simple solution. I wish I had Soros' money... I could launch NGO's with a mission to teach illegals about the American dream and get them to pursue citizenship. Not sure I answered your question.
I am not advocating for open borders! That was clear in my above statement. But, many are coming who will never be sent back. What are we doing with those who get in before we can shut the borders???
Round them up and send them back. Done.
With a magic wand.
Sure. Let’s start with a magic wand. When that doesn’t work we need to ROUND THEM UP AND SEND THEM BACK. Which part do you not understand?
Uhhhh... the forces of our culture and system would never allow that. We don't live in a vacuum.
If not….WHY NOT?
Why not what? Why don't we live in a vacuum? Because we are human. Or why don't the forces of culture allow it? Again, because we are human, and things are complex. If it were truly that easy to round people up and deport them, it would have been done.
I live in an area with really high illegal and legal immigrants. They have no desire to even learn the English language never mind be law abiding.
The issue I see is over population.
If you remove them from their place, that leaves a void to be filled.
Not following your point... it could mean different things. Can you clarify?
Yeah, right.
The problem with this board is that you can't really know me. Believe me, I don't want open borders! But what do we have right now???? And if we don't deal with the problem to our advantage, then it is a double whammy. Is that beyond your reasoning skills?
OP is wondering how we can use a bad situation to our advantage. Only thing I'd say is remove the axioms listed.
If they value freedom and opportunity, we can use them to change the environment in their home countries.
Many illegal immigrants are good hardworking people. There are also lots of others that don't fit into that category. The percentages are hard to know. Unfortunately, the organizations that integrate them into society plug them into structured welfare organizations. Also, knowing they are illegal, they themselves have little incentive to contribute to the culture at large. For that reason, good fences make good neighbors. Then we decide on policies regarding who gets to pass the gate.
But today our open borders function merely as the escape valve that allows other countries to ignore their own difficult socio-economic problems by dumping them on our doorstep.
Good insights. I wonder if there is a way to identify the "good ones" and turn them into change agents and champions among their fellow illegals (assuming they are from a similar background). They are leaving their messed up countries within which there is no chance to turn the tide, in my opinion. Anyway, I'm frustrated that they are here and still coming, and more frustrated that we cannot "reprogram" the ones who show up in our communities... maybe you're onto something with the employers... maybe we need to work through them.
Those assumptions are the problem. I have no problem with anyone immigrating to Canada as long as they are not terrorists rapists or murderers. The problem is all our governments only allow in the people that should never be here. Normal families are rarely let in any more its all fighting age single men that hate us.
I realize the assumptions are out there... although I wonder what the truth is. Someone said only 10 percent are "good". Do we know that?
Go sell gymnastic assumptions somewhere else. They’re illegals.
Who is selling? You are not understanding the thought exercise. But have a good day
Exactly. Thats why we need to get the border closed. But until then, more and more show up... so, how do we reprogram them as to the American way, not the freebies?
You dont, you stop them from entering and send them back if they do make it across.
If I'm playing devils advocate I would say it could help meet replacement rate. The west on average (pre covid at least) was below or right at replacement rate for births so while everyone is complaining they aren't having babies and at some point you have to have babies or immigrants to keep society going (wouldn't be a problem for awhile but it would be one day)