If you reject God then nothing is evil. EVERYTHING is subjective and ultimately pointless.
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Had dinner with my favourite old Auntie recently. We got philosophical and she told me she’s an Athiest. She said, I suppose we can really get the debate going now... to which I replied, “I really don’t care, I’m just feeling really sad”.
What do you even say to these people???
Unpack their worldview. Every time they say something matters or make a truth claim then challenge it. They have no objective standards to call anything good, evil, right, wrong, truth, pr fake.
Example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z99zL93h3sY
Don't need to follow an organized religion to believe that killing children is bad.
"The law of God is written on your heart" Where do you think your morality comes from?
If you reject God and His objective standards then murder, stealing, rape, etc isn't objectively wrong and doesn't matter. You're just matter floating through space acted upon by time and chance signifying nothing.
Try to be consistent with your worldview and quit borrowing from God's.
Atheism is not the same as nihilism.
You're not very familiar with logic then.
It's going over your head. Nobody said those were the same things but neither one has an objective standard from which to appeal to. Watch the video in the comments
No, it's not going over my head. In your meme, the second presupposition listed is that there is no objective morality, immediately following "God is dead.", thereby implying the denouncement or denial of God invariably leads to one denying objective morality. That is not the case. You can not believe in god but also believe in objective morality.
Yes it's still going over your head. It's called presuppositional apologetics which points out that by rejecting the objective standards that God leads out in Scripture you also lose all the presuppositions necessary for everything else including logic, morality, and many other basis for thought and science.
The Never changing God and his word and his law are the objective standards.
I would encourage you to watch the video that I provided in another comment. All the argumentation for atheists not being able to consistently make any type of objective or truth claims without being inconsistent with their worldview is there.
If that is your view, then so be it. It is your awareness. It does explain the source of your posture quite nicely. thank you for that.
With regards to the question of your phrase:
I am going to dissect this in 3 parts. The first part is about the obvious. The second part is about the contents. The third part is the wrap up: conclusions & questions.
I - the Obvious:
I am sure, there are certain people who do say such thing as: " there is no objective morality", for obvious reasons, as you so eloquently memed. Bandwagonman just told you he sees objective morality, while not believing in your theos.
Note, how close Bandwagonman stays to his own awareness.
He does not directly disqualify your blanket statement. Though, in the course of your exchange, you seem to be showing an absolute faith in the words you memed. And so, by your own admission, Bandwagonman's statement has become a disqualifier for your meme.
Funny, you would base yourself on scripture .... I am going to pass that one, for now, as it is not directly pertinent to the issue at hand. Here are my questions from just observing the exchange:
-Have you really grasped what Bandwagonman is saying, and really recognized what he is saying?
-What is wrong with stopping and posing a question for further elaboration?
When you would look up on etymonline.com the word: arrogant, you will find the root as: ad rogare, towards asking, towards entreating. Quite the opposite of what we have become used to, is it not? Do we consider arrogant people as assuming a haughty overbearing posture?
If you would look up what your Greatest Teacher has demonstrated, is that asking questions helps in a couple of ways. One, it provides you with the insight of what the other person is saying. And second, it provides you with the time and the emotional maturity to contemplate a response in a way that appeals to the heart, connects people and conveys knowledge.
II - Contents:
Is it conceivable that there are people on this earth who live according to objective morality without believing in your theos?
According to your standards, your answer should be: No.
This is where I would want to elevate your consciousness.
The first proof comes from the same scripture you so absolutely take for is all end all. St Paul writes in Romans 2:1, 14,15:
Did you just perjure yourself?
Does not your Greatest Teacher teach you: what comes out of your mouth, makes you unclean?
It is even worse. Paul also writes this in 1 Corinthians 5:1:
It is quite interesting to contemplate the Greek story of Oedipus and the fact that Paul wrote people in Greece. Paul would not even consider that story meeting the level of whoredom, as was practiced in that congregation among Christians. It was beyond the pale!
" errare human est" is quite applicable, wouldn't you say?
The following link offers you a discussion on the similarities and differences of stoicism and Christianity. I would recommend you read it without judgement as this comparison it exemplifies what Paul wrote in Romans.
https://dailystoic.com/stoicism-and-christianity/
The second proof is Nature herself.
The apostle John wrote in his first letter chapter 4:12:
Since we cannot see God, we have to look at what can be seen, what we can objectively be aware of. Nature, itself.
A careful consideration of the Declaration of Independence shows that whatever you postulate as the source, the objective morality is: all men are created equal and are endowed with certain inalienable rights among which are: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Do you deny this?
If you do concur, you must surely agree that when honoring this position of every single human being endowed with these rights is followed, as day follows night, correct behavior follows: i.e. based on objective morality.
Note also how positively this is phrased. Compare this to, for example the 10 commandments which are basically 9 negations, and 2 positive performances. Elsewhere I have already gone into detailed analysis of why these 10 commandments are property rights. Honoring property rights, therefor, leads to objective morality.
Nature itself is a great teacher. There are 8 laws of nature. One you are quite familiar with, as it is also mentioned in your scripture: you will reap what you sow. In a more, eh ... , less agricultural orientation it is called: cause and effect. There are 7 others. It would be of a largesse to go into this right here, so, I will permit myself to just refer you to a wonder book, written by Michael Gleeson, with the name: Thesis on natural law, the science of morality.
Here is the link: https://michaelgleesonmedia.com/natural-law/
III-conclusion & questions:
I have just demonstrated from your own scripture, from nature, and from reason the falseness of your meme. This brings us to the question of the intended audience.
Clearly, those who do not belief in your God, are not by default attracted to the non-sequitur hitch of positions, thinking that a change would be in order. It is not even funny.
So, who would be the intended audience? Those who agree with your views? Why would that be valuable? They already, for good or bad, agree with you. Do you really need such confirmation obviously counter to your own scripture? How does that help you to serve your God?
So why did you make it?
I do thank you, indeed, for making it. It provided me with the opportunity to write the above with the hope you will find the heart to elevate your consciousness.
Do you deny this?
Looks like you left something out....
"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
I wonder why you left that out?
God made nature, of course He made things evident in it. Romans 1:20
"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse."
Scripture tells us the law of God is written on every mans heart.
Rejecting God = Rejecting objective standards of morality.
When you do this NOTHING matters ultimately which is clearly the point of the meme.
Nice trick you just employed. I am not going to grace you with a God debate. I am sick to my stomach over such things.
You skirted a question. A question that goes to the heart of your contempt. And it is simply a yes or no.
A yes would entail you to stop projecting your views onto others. A no answer would condemn you. .....
Truly a unfortunate position to be in.
What you said translates to: reject my version of God, reject my standards & laws. For that is your identification.
Yet, you still have the opportunity to learn something, and it is yours to choose to know or not.
Nature does not lie, does not play favorites. We either are in harmony with its workings or we are not. The bed we make is ours to reside in, due to cause and effect.
But since the laws of Nature escape your consciousness, there is really not much to say, other than, progress on your way. It is hard for those who accept authority as the truth, instead of the truth as the authority.
Redtoe-skipper out.
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom."
Q doesn't tell us to pray to nature.
You keep saying "truth" but you can't account for absolute truth in your worldview.
Your question presupposes your worldview, not mine. I reject your baseless worldview since I used to hold it before I grew and learned. You are assuming I've never been where you are. A laughably ignorant assumption.
Laws of nature and logic presuppose a law giver. That is God.
You live in a world of subjectivity. A world that doesn't support your position.
Where do you get "truth" without God? You have no objective standards to appeal to ultimately. You are matter floating through space acted upon by time and chance signifying nothing. Your brain isn't "thinking" it's just a chemical reaction based off of input and stimuli. You can't get "truth" from a chemical reaction.
You haven't though this through. Atheisms is dumb and makes you a fool that's building your house on the sand.
My hubby turned out to be atheist. I noticed sin meant nothing to him. He would lie over the most meaningless things. Cheating someone was a fun game. I realized his marriage vows were just words to get through the event. You cant even have a conversation with a chronic liar. I couldnt bear it anymore and divorced him.
To divide ...evil / good is to play the deep state game...
That's not what the Bible says.
There will be a transformation soon about the Bible...this book is a history book of what happened to the tribe of Jacob who chose yahweh one of the 240 odd aliens that landed on mount Hebron 5000 years ago.
These people though technically vastly superior and capable of much more than we can do now we're not evolved. they had sex with men women children and animals. They left commandments how to burn women and babies and animals so the smoke they said soothed them would be done right. They warred over territory killing each other.
A dualistic world is what the freemasons want.thats the meaning of the checkerboard flooring in churches etc. The world is not either or as the freemasons want you to believe...they create a problem..offer a solution...but there is more than the one choice..it is never only one choice.
People are in different states of understanding and maturity..most like children still...this is why we look back and reflect how our understanding has grown and choices and attitudes we previously had have changed. It is not that we were evil but our choices were based on what we understood at the time ....it's not a question of she is evil she is good.
Not very good at explaining this...hope you got my drift
That's not what the Bible says and that's not the God that I serve.
And also conflicts with the science of textual transmission.
Of course the devil is very happy with what you believe. His lies are prevalent and always go against the word of God to keep people deceived and away from salvation in Christ.
Q. Does satan exist?
Does the thought of satan exist?
These are stories told to frighten the sheep into behaving.
Muslims believe there is a rope the thickness of a human hair across a pit of fire..if you were naughty the hair snaps and you fall in and burn forever in a body you left behind when you died.
There is no devil..
First off that's not what the Q post says.
https://qagg.news/?read=133
Secondly it's not what the bible says or what the elites believe either. Q has NEVER contradicted scripture. You just have though, Good luck with that.
"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing the world he didn't exist"
It says it right in what you posted. !! Does the thought of satan exist. !!
Yes I knew you would come back with that..if you want to believe in a devil with a pitchfork taking people to help..go ahead...have faith don listen to others. Trust me..it's what con merchants always say. ..NHS..don't listen to others.trustvus..the jab is good for you..don't listen chemotherapy is wonderful.
Without critical thinking you are just a brainwashed sheep.
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Yeah but is that all it says? No. Nowhere does Q say satan doesn't exist. In fact Q references Satan MULTIPLE times https://qagg.news/?q=satan and refrences God / Jesus multipe times too. The same God that says satan exists.
Who said anything about a pitchfork? You've been watching too many cartoons and not reading enough scripture and it shows.
Then you straw man a bunch of other stuff that has ZERO to do with what I said.
I'm not trusting anyone but God and His infallible Word. If you reject that you don't have the standards to call ANYTHING true or false and there's no issue with ANYTHING you mentioned with your straw-man nonsense word salad. You have to borrow from MY worldview and objective standards to even reply!
Inconsistency is the sign of a failed argument.
Repent and believe the gospel or spend eternity with Democrats and liberals while satan shows you just how real he is.
/end thread
First time I have read anything like this. If you don’t mind me asking, what do you make of Jesus of Nazareth? Do you believe he rose from the dead?
In the Bible it is claimed Jesus was the only begotten son of yahweh..an alien..if that were true Jesus would be a hybrid...after his death it is said there was a light in the sky and in the morning the boulder was rolled away. well Jesus couldn't have done it from inside..he wasn't seen for three days..in the cave was all healing herbs and potions used on him. After the third day he was seen but not recognised and he was taken up and two other hybrids Noah and Enoch? Taken up..in a space shuttle.ccthevone in ezekiel nasa copied and patented.
The elohim said they would've back do if he was achy rid he could perhaps be still alive..they lived for thousands vofcyears.as we are learning to do
Mauro biglino official channel youtube English subtitles who can tell you what was the correct translation but sticks to that.
He says a transcendental omnipotent all knowing spiritual God is not mentioned...the cold Hebrew didn't have either the word for god or eternity..olam is the word used..it means an indefinite period of time. Where god is in the Bible its the elohim..240"of them...the bible says quite a few of their names as do other holy books.the Mahabharata the Ethiopian Coptic Bible ..the Torah dead sea Scrolls etc
if you need god to tell you that murder, stealing, rape, etc. is wrong, then you're a psychopath. period.
"The law of God is written on your heart" Where do you think your morality comes from?
If you reject God and His objective standards then murder, stealing, rape, etc isn't objectively wrong and doesn't matter. You're just matter floating through space acted upon by time and chance signifying nothing.
Try to be consistent with your worldview and quit borrowing from God's.
nihilist
I wouldn't say that evil is service to self, it's more nuanced than that. It would be more accurate to say evil is service to self at the expense of others. Someone that has no friends or family and lives the life of isolation, and perhaps is even completely fine doing so, will spend the majority of their life doing things for themselves alone. Sure, there will be moments of kindness, charity, etc. to the people they deal with on their movement through life, but at the end of the day they live for themselves. That isn't evil. It is okay to live for yourself, because no one else will.
Christian Cult is an oxymoron. If what you belonged to was truly Christian then it wasn't a cult, and if it was a cult, it wasn't Christian.
The first description of a cult in Merriam-Webster, which is a more historic definition, is: Definition of cult 1: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious (see SPURIOUS sense 2) also : its body of adherents the voodoo cult a satanic cult
My kneejerk reaction is to disdain and despise atheists, but really we should be compassionate and patient with them. What's obvious to believers is so laughably hidden to them despite being right in front of them (like ingrained morality), it's really just like the red-pilled compared to the normies. The best we can do is tell them the truth, set the right example, and respect whatever choice they make. God WILL sort them out.