Occult just refers to hidden knowledge. Both good & bad knowledge can be occult. Similar symbols are used, too. For example the pentagram, considered by many on here to be a symbol for satanists is actually the opposite and used by faithful followers of Jesus. The upside down, inverted pentagram is the one satanists use as it (amongst other things) symbolizes the holy spirit leaving the body. Another example is the Christian cross and it's upside down version. I urge all people on here not to be paranoid about every symbol you see but to first research it thoroughly.
The Egyptian Head…At least it is not the single eye.🙄 I had a friend who visited Egypt and saw all the pyramids etc. Very logical woman who was astonished by the ruins, asked many questions and decided for herself that the Egyptians must have had extraterrestrial help.
To me this is clear symbology that all false gods are being exposed, and the world is transitioning from a time of darkness and evil, into a golden age of light, guided by the one true God.
By your reqsoning I could say the 6 point Star of David is the star of Bethlehem. I just think it’s a reach to say that is what they are depicting. The star was a litteral star that (pointed the way). Christians are not supposed to look to signs and symbols and statues and idols. Even the cross gets used out of context a lot.
Just my thoughts. You could be right, I just don’t see it myself personally.
No the star of David is the star of David and the star of Bethlehem is the star of Bethlehem. My point was we dont know what this represents. It could or it could not. So therefore we cant say with certainty that it is not the star of Bethlehem.
Arent Christian's supposed to pay attention to the signs and seasons to best be able to know his return.
What is so creepy about a Ramses style bust set at polar north with a northern star depiction on a planet divided by longitude and latitude lines and a vertical hemispherical light cast setting?
Can you post a link to where they posted this "Space Delta 18"? I can't find any proof of this. I can see the Hydra logo, but nothing about this picture. Need some sauce to verify.
Here is a link to the official Government website for the Space Force branch of the US Armed Services.
Here is a news article on the same official Government website regarding the activation ceremony of the new Squad 18.
Here is an hour long video of the ceremony. Here is a timestamped video link of the main "invocation" - a short time after this the speaker goes on to detail the logos creation.
Well... a lot of units derive their symbols from many cultures, religions, symbolism, icons... This one does look somewhat sinister. Could of been set up by a blackhat
Inanna[a] is an ancient Mesopotamian goddess associated with love, war, beauty, sex, justice, and political power. She was originally worshiped in Sumer under the name "Inanna", and later by the Akkadians, Babylonians, and Assyrians under the name "Ishtar".[b] She was known as the "Queen of Heaven" and was the patron goddess of the Eanna temple at the city of Uruk, which was her main cult center. She was associated with the planet Venus and her most prominent symbols included the lion and the eight-pointed star.
The sphinx imagery has historically been adopted into Masonic architecture and symbology.[30]
Among the Egyptians, sphinxes were placed at the entrance of the temples to guard their mysteries, by warning those who penetrated within that they should conceal a knowledge of them from the uninitiated. Champollion said that the sphinx became successively the symbol of each of the gods. The placement of the sphinxes expressed the idea that all the gods were hidden from the people, and that the knowledge of them, guarded in the sanctuaries, was revealed to initiates only.
As a Masonic emblem, the sphinx has been adopted as a symbol of mystery, and as such often is found as a decoration sculptured in front of Masonic temples, or engraved at the head of Masonic documents.[31]
Considering the Pharaoh tomb mask, and the star above the Earth and the Pharaoh looking to it I would assume some sort of sun worship. Considering the Egyptians were the most prominent with their sun worship, most religions do it in one form or another.
Yes even Christianity.
Ever wonder why the Birth of Christ is December 25th? Winter solstice. This is when the sun is at it's lowest, but from then on day by day, we see more sun, till Spring, it symbolizes Birth/Rebirth.
Which brings us to Easter. Which symbolizes death and rebirth, the sun is approaching it's shortest days, the summer solstice. (this doesn't happen AT Easter, more closely it's the vernal equinox where days and night are briefly equal in length which THEN approaches the death for shorter days)
If you were to chart the sun and look to the horizon, you'd see what? Well you'd see a cross. This is astrology at work here, our ancestors kept note and track of the sun movements. They created their symbols to represent these significant events.
There are quite literally 100s of other characters that do this in other religions throughout all of time. Some examples are Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis and Attis, Dionysus, as well as Jesus. They die at "Christmas" and revive in Spring. It's a simple model we've seen forever.
There are other things to note about symbiology and religion. Most religions have a "garden of Eden" type origin. Man -> immortal -> choice -> Knowledge-> mortal -> physical death -> judgement -> heaven/hell. It's all a journey to make it "back" to heaven. Or the heaven equivalent. Or rest. Or whatever you believe would be on the other side of things.
It's interesting that we think our religions of this day and age are unique and praiseworthy of some notable idea that started 2000 years before Christ, and you could even have one that's almost tit for tat the same as Jesus.
I am spiritual, and I feel as though many religions understand spirituality. The "rules" are as simple as karma. Knowing what the intention is the act that was put into the world and judgement on the act and intention. I believe in good and evil. I believe that there is something after death. But beyond that, there's too much evidence no one knows what's going on except we are approaching the only thing we've ever truly known. That is what we can learn from the planet we're on. Every day since the origin of Earth the sun was there, and we've studied and observed what we can, every one's day always starts with the sun.
Just some fun studying. There's a really cool documentary I can recommend that goes further into this concept, and strangely enough goes into modern day and talks about conspiracies and how people go to control man that is contradictory to what we believe man's behavior and values have been throughout time. It's called Zeitgeist, one of the best documentaries of my life, fun fact there are 3 of them! I haven't even watched the third yet, I think it came out January of this year, the first one was 2007?2008? Very useful at any point in your life, and you'll slap yourself realizing how much we already knew about 9/11 and still nothing was done. Everything about the 9/11 story is bullshit from the official report.
Zeitgeist is BS when it comes to the religion part. It's to discredit Christ and lead you into new age.
In Christianity, Christ is never said to have been born on or near the winter solstice. That came from incorporating early sun worship with catholicism, which itself is steeped with sun worship at the higher levels.
Further, Easter is not a Christian term for the time of Passover, which marked the new year according to the Israelite calendar and the highest of their holidays. They observed a lunar calendar. Easter is likely named Easter because of Ishtar, who was heavily worshipped by some of the pagan cultures and sun worshipping sects within the Catholic church of that time.
There are a variety of zeitgeist "proofs" which are all based off of falsehoods from Acharya S, a new ager tied to luciferians like Blavatsky.
That said, the best method has always been to include enough truth to sound convincing and then to distort it into the direction you with the audience to go.
What he covers is fact. The other religions. You may not like discussing them, but there are 100% similarities. I went to a Private Christian college and I regretted it, but what they even taught there was the same, that other religions have "partial" truths of what is at the end of the rainbow.
So let's just stop that line of thinking right there, you can't say something is BS because you don't like it. I'd rather you say that you don't like the parts where he says xyz, that would be more convincing than a blanket statement defending your faith that rejects all "offending" materials despite it's merit, but how you feel about it.
He doesn't even get into the specifics of each religion, but yes, if you study religion you notice that ALL religions have a central theme to them. ALL of them do. You have to actually be not afraid to study another religion before you can accept information that brings down your current view on your faith.
Just because you put "proofs" in quotations doesn't assert it's falsehood. It asserts how you interpret new data from a source. You found it offensive that it takes Christianity out of the spotlight. Even though it promotes it's tenants.
That said, the best method has always been to include enough truth to sound convincing and then to distort it into the direction you with the audience to go.
That's what EVERYONE has done FOREVER when they decide to spread any thought or idea. You're giving yourself the loophole to say "it's close but not quite". At the college I went to, they always said "These other religions are good, and they promote good things, but they are only partially correct/have partial truths" because how else can you explain the "overlap" and then different conclusions? You can't.
It's either all correct or all not, and any sort of "partial truths" not given from an approved source is deemed blasphemy. Most religions are a vehicle to ruling people. Considering how kings and queens used religion for centuries to claim "divine right" to rule, even the priests and Pharisees had their hay day to saying their gods allowed them such "gifts" which were likely slight of hand and props
Say what you will, you cannot tell me there are "partial truths" while you contend to say you know best any one's version of "truth" is corrupt for not being what you whole heartedly accept. Considering he has more than enough evidence to assert a heliocentric model of worship, and we know other religions in the ancient past have also done so, why not admit that there are connections between sun worship and the god you know now?
I'm not even sayin Christianity HAS to be wrong. It's one of many religions. The part that gets me is the ignorance or the audacity to say "the religion I was born into is clearly the 1 truth, others are close but none are like mine, this is the truth, and I will die for it" yea that's great but that is every war ever right there with that thinking. Thinking other religions are attacks on your own is the kind of thinking that starts conflict. Shedding the vehicle for truth, religion, and accepting the way the world works and learning from that is how you surpass yourself in knowing what things really are.
Just my opinion. I'm Agnostic, not atheist. There's something out there, whether it's god or some other finality, so be it. But no one can or should claim to know more about an afterlife than anyone else. Divine right does not exist, and has not existed. To do so would be arrogant lest we forget the amount of false prophets these books proclaim as well. Finding the underlying way that "scripture" or "tablets" or "scrolls" all mean the same thing may be the best way to unite the world under something because as humans we all recognize good vs evil. It's not always easy to identify, but not pursuing more knowledge is in and of itself a spiritual death as well. It's up to you to learn more, and to continue learning.
Let's hope of a tolerant community rather than an exclusionary. I will say, Christianity has had it's fair share of follies and fortune. I'm not one to say what's best. Just one that claims no one should claim they found the best for everyone, they can find their own way.
You made a lot of assumptions there that I'm not even going to bother to address. What I said was fact and it seems like it's you who has a problem with the fact that Zeitgeist is based off the work of Acharya S who seemingly plagiarized some of Helena Blavatsky's new age nonsense and passed it off as fact when it wasn't.
Like I said, winter solstice has nothing to do with Jesus' birth. Mithras was never claimed to have been born from a virgin, he emerged from a rock... On and on.
However, it's from studying other religions that you can see that the paganism of the time was influential (through Roman and Catholic control of the teachings in those early years) on the practices of Christianity today -- that's not to say they influenced the Bible, since all of these practices were later added by man.
I was an atheist before I became a Christian, so another one of your assumptions was wrong. I don't have time to address all your claims, but the movie itself is a new age movie that intentionally, not by accident, teaches and refutes a false Christianity (why is there only one religion this is ever done with?) Further, it uses false truths to refute this false Christianity.
I assume you're interested in truth, since you're here. If so, put your faith to the test. I've seen what Zeitgeist claims, how about you see how easy it is to tear apart: https://youtu.be/30AunYXtYDg
That said, the movie's claims about banking and 9/11 are pretty accurate. Which is why I said the religion part of the movie is false -- not because it "hurt my feelings" or whatever, but because the claims have been completely demolished and proven to be garbage for over a decade.
I think that they could be refuted or rebuffed, but yes the 9/11 content is magnificent. I also just like his world view approach much after the religion section. Personally, I think his abstract view on religion basically moving past it, to describe humankind and what's taken place over the course of history is the responsible approach because he tries to disarm your religious thinking to expand it to a more open space that all humans can share regardless of religion, but enhanced by their tenants of why all humans gravitate toward certain behaviors.
In doing so I think I'd be more open to exploring religion, and honestly that's true as lately I've been thinking of reading scripture again mostly because of that, and I think despite literal or religious connotations, the scriptures and holy books of old were a great accounting to how the wisdom of the millennia that have passed can be still absorbed and it's scary parallel to what we see today.
Yeah, I think one of the most profound themes throughout the Bible is not only the focus on truth (and the fact that it is hated), but also the fact that you see an intentional inversion of all the things that are positive and good according to the God of the Bible in today's world. Those were some of the first realizations that took me in that direction and they are definitely scary parallels that are at work all over today. Sometimes these inversions by powerful entities and the outright contempt that is pushed and accepted for only one belief system (Christianity and beliefs that stem from it) are the things that most reenforce the truth of the Bible, as these are different iterations of the same power structures Jesus taught against way back in the day.
One more passing comment that may be interesting to think. I was raised Mormon, which most people know about in passing or a more or less whole. I left the church years ago, it not good. Joseph Smith was a free mason, and the book he wrote, albeit very interesting for wisdom and it talks about some really high concept stuff about what happens to civilizations throughout time (though no evidence of these civilizations are really proven except for a known forgery that one prophet mistook as real called the Kinderhook plates) but I digress.
The point I wanted to make was that the study of humans and the rises and falls of societies is almost scientific. You see the warning signs along the way. When the populous starts to be so prosperous, it becomes corrupt within it's government. When it does that the government makes the people immoral. Once you lose morals, the wars, the corruption, the downfall of their society is brought to them. They go more into the politics of kings and leaders and all that, the Book of Mormon has a lot of stuff between nations and people but I would not have traded away my experience knowing the stories because they are laden with wisdom, even if the stories aren't true the wisdom prevails.
I mention this for two fold, one Joseph Smith being a free mason, may have done something on the radical end, almost revealing some sort of inner knowledge of view/scope of how to view government and society, which is what a secret society would have had a warm welcome with. The second, because the leadership now is corrupt as most religious leadership is now a days, and the abuse of the religion has perpetuated problems that religion has always exploited by evil people, the abuse of children by having a religious figure insert themselves and cause mayhem if they so choose.
Do I think that other religions piggyback off of others, sure. I think they are all trying to describe the same thing. That's what I think makes everything look and feel true in most religions. I think the powers that we try to connect to probably exist, and it's other beings from other dimensions or "beyond the vale" or what have you. This insider knowledge is hard to grasp, define, and share which is why they let wisdom do the talking. Here's what we know, we shall prove it right over time. This is where I would be looking to religion is these end times basically. Not because I need to flock to faith in fear, but because we are growing more desperate and our convictions are holding stronger than in a time where we were mostly "ok". But we may be moving again toward the age of miracles, because we are gonna need more than ever after the dust settles from whatever it is that's been happening to the world the last decade or so.
Interesting. I've heard some things about the Mormon hierarchy and those admitted to temples that definitely goes with what you say. I also don't doubt that a mason would externalize some of their teaching, as they do tend to do that in a encoded way usually, and there does seem to be layers of initiation within the Mormon hierarchy itself.
That cycle is interesting, isn't it? Happened to Ghengis Khan, all throughout the Israelite days of old, Rome, etc ... Now we see it firsthand. Hopefully it turns out better for us than it has for some of the others. In order for that to be the case we will definitely need to enter an age of miracles.
Your labeling of it being occult = hidden is correct. Secrets usually are, just like the Christian secret carefully hidden in Jesus Christ. But I would make a bet that the meaning of hidden is not what you mean to say.
Confusing the language starts there. Using words in a different meaning. In a way your are then committing a sophistry. But enough about politics.
.... the star looks like a Compass rose or 8 pointed star = Venus, Aphrodite, Astarte, Lakshmi.
What you see is the world covered by the male principle longing to unite with the female principle. = Life.
It also indicates so above so below. At any rate, there is a lot in there that is quite interesting.
Occult just refers to hidden knowledge. Both good & bad knowledge can be occult. Similar symbols are used, too. For example the pentagram, considered by many on here to be a symbol for satanists is actually the opposite and used by faithful followers of Jesus. The upside down, inverted pentagram is the one satanists use as it (amongst other things) symbolizes the holy spirit leaving the body. Another example is the Christian cross and it's upside down version. I urge all people on here not to be paranoid about every symbol you see but to first research it thoroughly.
Sorry about wiki…. The compass rose at the top is a nautical guide. Help sailors find their true North. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compass_rose
The Egyptian Head…At least it is not the single eye.🙄 I had a friend who visited Egypt and saw all the pyramids etc. Very logical woman who was astonished by the ruins, asked many questions and decided for herself that the Egyptians must have had extraterrestrial help.
Same good and bad as the floor in a masonic temple
As u/LBTrumplican2 pointed out, the pharaoh is gazing upward to what appears to be the star of Bethlehem.
Also, notice the lighting of the globe. Half the globe is shadowed in darkness, and half has been brought into the light.
Dark to Light
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To me this is clear symbology that all false gods are being exposed, and the world is transitioning from a time of darkness and evil, into a golden age of light, guided by the one true God.
Star of Bethlehem. Christ is above all false gods.
That is not the star of Bethlehem
Sure looks like it to me.
anything move your meter about Jesus' time in Egypt? That's, ultimately, where the wisemen met the child.
It's typically depicted as two crosses. Same here.
What would the star of Bethlehem look like. Just curious what makes u say definitively
By your reqsoning I could say the 6 point Star of David is the star of Bethlehem. I just think it’s a reach to say that is what they are depicting. The star was a litteral star that (pointed the way). Christians are not supposed to look to signs and symbols and statues and idols. Even the cross gets used out of context a lot. Just my thoughts. You could be right, I just don’t see it myself personally.
No the star of David is the star of David and the star of Bethlehem is the star of Bethlehem. My point was we dont know what this represents. It could or it could not. So therefore we cant say with certainty that it is not the star of Bethlehem.
Arent Christian's supposed to pay attention to the signs and seasons to best be able to know his return.
Simply looks like northern star in symbolic form.
Space Delta 18 is a new Space Force unit that as formed about a week and a half ago.
Their logo doesn't exactly give me 'good guy' vibes.
And this was right before Space Force tweeted out their own new Hydra logo.
What is going on here? I thought Space Force was supposed to be on our team. Why are they using all this creepy occult imagery?
What is so creepy about a Ramses style bust set at polar north with a northern star depiction on a planet divided by longitude and latitude lines and a vertical hemispherical light cast setting?
nothing, nothing at all. people love getting worked up
Psyop, appearing as they're not.
What's the commander's middle initial?
Can you post a link to where they posted this "Space Delta 18"? I can't find any proof of this. I can see the Hydra logo, but nothing about this picture. Need some sauce to verify.
Here is a link to the official Government website for the Space Force branch of the US Armed Services.
Here is a news article on the same official Government website regarding the activation ceremony of the new Squad 18.
Here is an hour long video of the ceremony. Here is a timestamped video link of the main "invocation" - a short time after this the speaker goes on to detail the logos creation.
Thank you. That helps.
Well... a lot of units derive their symbols from many cultures, religions, symbolism, icons... This one does look somewhat sinister. Could of been set up by a blackhat
.... OR .. a tip of the hat that (They know) The Ancient Egyptians knew there was a link between The Earth and The Stars ..?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_Ishtar
https://godmadeus.com/Holiday/Christmas/ch15.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx
Very interesting!
Considering the Pharaoh tomb mask, and the star above the Earth and the Pharaoh looking to it I would assume some sort of sun worship. Considering the Egyptians were the most prominent with their sun worship, most religions do it in one form or another.
Yes even Christianity. Ever wonder why the Birth of Christ is December 25th? Winter solstice. This is when the sun is at it's lowest, but from then on day by day, we see more sun, till Spring, it symbolizes Birth/Rebirth. Which brings us to Easter. Which symbolizes death and rebirth, the sun is approaching it's shortest days, the summer solstice. (this doesn't happen AT Easter, more closely it's the vernal equinox where days and night are briefly equal in length which THEN approaches the death for shorter days)
If you were to chart the sun and look to the horizon, you'd see what? Well you'd see a cross. This is astrology at work here, our ancestors kept note and track of the sun movements. They created their symbols to represent these significant events.
There are quite literally 100s of other characters that do this in other religions throughout all of time. Some examples are Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis and Attis, Dionysus, as well as Jesus. They die at "Christmas" and revive in Spring. It's a simple model we've seen forever.
There are other things to note about symbiology and religion. Most religions have a "garden of Eden" type origin. Man -> immortal -> choice -> Knowledge-> mortal -> physical death -> judgement -> heaven/hell. It's all a journey to make it "back" to heaven. Or the heaven equivalent. Or rest. Or whatever you believe would be on the other side of things.
It's interesting that we think our religions of this day and age are unique and praiseworthy of some notable idea that started 2000 years before Christ, and you could even have one that's almost tit for tat the same as Jesus.
I am spiritual, and I feel as though many religions understand spirituality. The "rules" are as simple as karma. Knowing what the intention is the act that was put into the world and judgement on the act and intention. I believe in good and evil. I believe that there is something after death. But beyond that, there's too much evidence no one knows what's going on except we are approaching the only thing we've ever truly known. That is what we can learn from the planet we're on. Every day since the origin of Earth the sun was there, and we've studied and observed what we can, every one's day always starts with the sun.
Just some fun studying. There's a really cool documentary I can recommend that goes further into this concept, and strangely enough goes into modern day and talks about conspiracies and how people go to control man that is contradictory to what we believe man's behavior and values have been throughout time. It's called Zeitgeist, one of the best documentaries of my life, fun fact there are 3 of them! I haven't even watched the third yet, I think it came out January of this year, the first one was 2007?2008? Very useful at any point in your life, and you'll slap yourself realizing how much we already knew about 9/11 and still nothing was done. Everything about the 9/11 story is bullshit from the official report.
damn I sound crazy but I love these topics.
Zeitgeist is BS when it comes to the religion part. It's to discredit Christ and lead you into new age.
In Christianity, Christ is never said to have been born on or near the winter solstice. That came from incorporating early sun worship with catholicism, which itself is steeped with sun worship at the higher levels.
Further, Easter is not a Christian term for the time of Passover, which marked the new year according to the Israelite calendar and the highest of their holidays. They observed a lunar calendar. Easter is likely named Easter because of Ishtar, who was heavily worshipped by some of the pagan cultures and sun worshipping sects within the Catholic church of that time.
There are a variety of zeitgeist "proofs" which are all based off of falsehoods from Acharya S, a new ager tied to luciferians like Blavatsky.
That said, the best method has always been to include enough truth to sound convincing and then to distort it into the direction you with the audience to go.
What he covers is fact. The other religions. You may not like discussing them, but there are 100% similarities. I went to a Private Christian college and I regretted it, but what they even taught there was the same, that other religions have "partial" truths of what is at the end of the rainbow.
So let's just stop that line of thinking right there, you can't say something is BS because you don't like it. I'd rather you say that you don't like the parts where he says xyz, that would be more convincing than a blanket statement defending your faith that rejects all "offending" materials despite it's merit, but how you feel about it.
He doesn't even get into the specifics of each religion, but yes, if you study religion you notice that ALL religions have a central theme to them. ALL of them do. You have to actually be not afraid to study another religion before you can accept information that brings down your current view on your faith.
Just because you put "proofs" in quotations doesn't assert it's falsehood. It asserts how you interpret new data from a source. You found it offensive that it takes Christianity out of the spotlight. Even though it promotes it's tenants.
That's what EVERYONE has done FOREVER when they decide to spread any thought or idea. You're giving yourself the loophole to say "it's close but not quite". At the college I went to, they always said "These other religions are good, and they promote good things, but they are only partially correct/have partial truths" because how else can you explain the "overlap" and then different conclusions? You can't.
It's either all correct or all not, and any sort of "partial truths" not given from an approved source is deemed blasphemy. Most religions are a vehicle to ruling people. Considering how kings and queens used religion for centuries to claim "divine right" to rule, even the priests and Pharisees had their hay day to saying their gods allowed them such "gifts" which were likely slight of hand and props
Say what you will, you cannot tell me there are "partial truths" while you contend to say you know best any one's version of "truth" is corrupt for not being what you whole heartedly accept. Considering he has more than enough evidence to assert a heliocentric model of worship, and we know other religions in the ancient past have also done so, why not admit that there are connections between sun worship and the god you know now?
I'm not even sayin Christianity HAS to be wrong. It's one of many religions. The part that gets me is the ignorance or the audacity to say "the religion I was born into is clearly the 1 truth, others are close but none are like mine, this is the truth, and I will die for it" yea that's great but that is every war ever right there with that thinking. Thinking other religions are attacks on your own is the kind of thinking that starts conflict. Shedding the vehicle for truth, religion, and accepting the way the world works and learning from that is how you surpass yourself in knowing what things really are.
Just my opinion. I'm Agnostic, not atheist. There's something out there, whether it's god or some other finality, so be it. But no one can or should claim to know more about an afterlife than anyone else. Divine right does not exist, and has not existed. To do so would be arrogant lest we forget the amount of false prophets these books proclaim as well. Finding the underlying way that "scripture" or "tablets" or "scrolls" all mean the same thing may be the best way to unite the world under something because as humans we all recognize good vs evil. It's not always easy to identify, but not pursuing more knowledge is in and of itself a spiritual death as well. It's up to you to learn more, and to continue learning.
Let's hope of a tolerant community rather than an exclusionary. I will say, Christianity has had it's fair share of follies and fortune. I'm not one to say what's best. Just one that claims no one should claim they found the best for everyone, they can find their own way.
You made a lot of assumptions there that I'm not even going to bother to address. What I said was fact and it seems like it's you who has a problem with the fact that Zeitgeist is based off the work of Acharya S who seemingly plagiarized some of Helena Blavatsky's new age nonsense and passed it off as fact when it wasn't.
Like I said, winter solstice has nothing to do with Jesus' birth. Mithras was never claimed to have been born from a virgin, he emerged from a rock... On and on.
However, it's from studying other religions that you can see that the paganism of the time was influential (through Roman and Catholic control of the teachings in those early years) on the practices of Christianity today -- that's not to say they influenced the Bible, since all of these practices were later added by man.
I was an atheist before I became a Christian, so another one of your assumptions was wrong. I don't have time to address all your claims, but the movie itself is a new age movie that intentionally, not by accident, teaches and refutes a false Christianity (why is there only one religion this is ever done with?) Further, it uses false truths to refute this false Christianity.
I assume you're interested in truth, since you're here. If so, put your faith to the test. I've seen what Zeitgeist claims, how about you see how easy it is to tear apart: https://youtu.be/30AunYXtYDg
That said, the movie's claims about banking and 9/11 are pretty accurate. Which is why I said the religion part of the movie is false -- not because it "hurt my feelings" or whatever, but because the claims have been completely demolished and proven to be garbage for over a decade.
I think that they could be refuted or rebuffed, but yes the 9/11 content is magnificent. I also just like his world view approach much after the religion section. Personally, I think his abstract view on religion basically moving past it, to describe humankind and what's taken place over the course of history is the responsible approach because he tries to disarm your religious thinking to expand it to a more open space that all humans can share regardless of religion, but enhanced by their tenants of why all humans gravitate toward certain behaviors.
In doing so I think I'd be more open to exploring religion, and honestly that's true as lately I've been thinking of reading scripture again mostly because of that, and I think despite literal or religious connotations, the scriptures and holy books of old were a great accounting to how the wisdom of the millennia that have passed can be still absorbed and it's scary parallel to what we see today.
Yeah, I think one of the most profound themes throughout the Bible is not only the focus on truth (and the fact that it is hated), but also the fact that you see an intentional inversion of all the things that are positive and good according to the God of the Bible in today's world. Those were some of the first realizations that took me in that direction and they are definitely scary parallels that are at work all over today. Sometimes these inversions by powerful entities and the outright contempt that is pushed and accepted for only one belief system (Christianity and beliefs that stem from it) are the things that most reenforce the truth of the Bible, as these are different iterations of the same power structures Jesus taught against way back in the day.
That said, good talking to ya!
One more passing comment that may be interesting to think. I was raised Mormon, which most people know about in passing or a more or less whole. I left the church years ago, it not good. Joseph Smith was a free mason, and the book he wrote, albeit very interesting for wisdom and it talks about some really high concept stuff about what happens to civilizations throughout time (though no evidence of these civilizations are really proven except for a known forgery that one prophet mistook as real called the Kinderhook plates) but I digress.
The point I wanted to make was that the study of humans and the rises and falls of societies is almost scientific. You see the warning signs along the way. When the populous starts to be so prosperous, it becomes corrupt within it's government. When it does that the government makes the people immoral. Once you lose morals, the wars, the corruption, the downfall of their society is brought to them. They go more into the politics of kings and leaders and all that, the Book of Mormon has a lot of stuff between nations and people but I would not have traded away my experience knowing the stories because they are laden with wisdom, even if the stories aren't true the wisdom prevails.
I mention this for two fold, one Joseph Smith being a free mason, may have done something on the radical end, almost revealing some sort of inner knowledge of view/scope of how to view government and society, which is what a secret society would have had a warm welcome with. The second, because the leadership now is corrupt as most religious leadership is now a days, and the abuse of the religion has perpetuated problems that religion has always exploited by evil people, the abuse of children by having a religious figure insert themselves and cause mayhem if they so choose.
Do I think that other religions piggyback off of others, sure. I think they are all trying to describe the same thing. That's what I think makes everything look and feel true in most religions. I think the powers that we try to connect to probably exist, and it's other beings from other dimensions or "beyond the vale" or what have you. This insider knowledge is hard to grasp, define, and share which is why they let wisdom do the talking. Here's what we know, we shall prove it right over time. This is where I would be looking to religion is these end times basically. Not because I need to flock to faith in fear, but because we are growing more desperate and our convictions are holding stronger than in a time where we were mostly "ok". But we may be moving again toward the age of miracles, because we are gonna need more than ever after the dust settles from whatever it is that's been happening to the world the last decade or so.
Interesting. I've heard some things about the Mormon hierarchy and those admitted to temples that definitely goes with what you say. I also don't doubt that a mason would externalize some of their teaching, as they do tend to do that in a encoded way usually, and there does seem to be layers of initiation within the Mormon hierarchy itself.
That cycle is interesting, isn't it? Happened to Ghengis Khan, all throughout the Israelite days of old, Rome, etc ... Now we see it firsthand. Hopefully it turns out better for us than it has for some of the others. In order for that to be the case we will definitely need to enter an age of miracles.
I got deleted from an account on telegram for asking the same question.
Your labeling of it being occult = hidden is correct. Secrets usually are, just like the Christian secret carefully hidden in Jesus Christ. But I would make a bet that the meaning of hidden is not what you mean to say.
Confusing the language starts there. Using words in a different meaning. In a way your are then committing a sophistry. But enough about politics.
.... the star looks like a Compass rose or 8 pointed star = Venus, Aphrodite, Astarte, Lakshmi.
What you see is the world covered by the male principle longing to unite with the female principle. = Life.
It also indicates so above so below. At any rate, there is a lot in there that is quite interesting.