Consider this: there are over 4,000 federal statutes alone that bolster the Federal Government. I know cases beforehand have argued ignorance doesn't equal innocence HOWEVER if the tax payer funded school systems failed to educate students on federal and local laws, then they FAILED to inform citizens of the laws that require consent of the governed to be enforceable. Otherwise, public education and REQUIRING it is essentially unconstitutional...
Why have a public education system if it's not going to inform. Not informing people they are then being indirectly coerced into breaking the law which is entrapment... Ignorance IS innocence because citizens were not informed of the laws they were supposedly breaking and thus could not consent either way.
There are over 80,000 pages of new law added to the Library of Congress every year. It is unreasonable to expect anyone to know what's in that shit heap of paper, whereas ((THEY)) can't be bothered with reading OR following a simple 17 page, legally binding Contract between the government and the People.
True, it's not a legal defense, but at this point, we are at war with a rogue government. Consent to govern has been revoked. Stand your ground. Be prepared to NOT be taken alive. Avoid court at all cost at this point. Jan 6ers case 'n point. I bet almost all of them being held and tortured in that D.C. gulag right now would have rather just fought it out to the death if they could do it all over.
Throwing off your own chains is a dangerous thing. ((They)) try to kill you for it. Its a given.
Yep. If you have not accepted that you might be Ruby Ridged or Wacoed then... what are you wasting time here for? Sell your guns. Indulged in the system and live your happy little life out...
The Founding Fathers did not sign the Declaration knowing that they would win. They knew FULL WELL that they were probably going to get stomped by Britain. The Revolution was a statement first. They declared independence because it was the right thing to do, live or die.
Again... if you can't resolve that... you're wasting time being here.
Indeed! The other thing I know (or at least think I know) about the Founders, is that if they could have run the Brits out of town with some protest signs and car horns, they prolly would have gone that route. Those kinds of things were not going to get anything meaningful accomplished.
Maybe should sometimes but isn't. The real problem with it is that everyone would claim not knowing the law to make such defense. Of course it has nothing with philosophy of law: "innocent until proven guilty", it is essentially "guilty until proven innocent" - so it is not allowed as excuse.
Constitutional or not - he problem is laws are:
And when I am saying "hard" it means that even child with down syndrome shall be able understand what is lawful and what is not.
Agreed. All statutes and laws need to be abolished and we need to start over.
Easy fix. No.more laws.
It's a start, but not a practical long term solution.
Its actually least practical short term. Most practical long term. After everyone gets tired of the BS and death. There will be peace.
Legally it IS. Just because some people judged WRONGLY does not mean that what they declared is absolute. What is established by man, can be undone and changed by man. Inalienable rights NEVER change. And if we believe in the Constitution, then punishing someone over a law they didn't know about is a form of entrapment, especially since the system has resources to educate people on laws.
IGNORANCE IS NOT WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE! IGNORING SAID KNOWLEDGE IS IGNORANT! They need to come up with another word for it. Furthermore, SINCE WHEN IS IT THE SOLE DUTY OF THE SCHOOLS TO INFORM YOUR OR MY CHILDREN OF THESE THINGS?
Parenting 101
The word you're looking for is nescient.
That which is legal is not lawful. That which is lawful is not legal. Source: The Bible.
But its Congress who makes the laws are the ones who break them.
Are you talking about government education systems? Because there is no such thing as a public education system.
Then what the fuck are public schools?
They’re government schools. Run by governments, for governments. “Public”. 😂😂😂
There are over 60 million laws, statutes, ordinances, etc. in the U.S. Everyone is ignorant of the law. The entire notion of innate knowledge is absurd -- lawyers and judges always research the law of a case. Maxims of bureaucratic convenience and a lust for uniformity do not make it so.
The fictions that: "every man is presumed to know the law" and its sequel "ignorance of the law does not excuse" are a result of civil-law maxims infecting Romans 2:14-15, i.e., natural law means all know right from wrong.
Traditional common law has recognized that in fact, not all do know the law. Natural law is not known by nature, and common law distinguishes between: an ability to learn & respond to the law (i.e., responsibility), and an innate knowledge of the law.
Scott v. Ford, 45 Or. 531, 78 P. 742, 80 P. 899, 68 L. R. A. 469 (1904) found that money paid "even if accompanied by a mistake as to the law or ignorance of it, a recovery may be had."
So, as OP noted, ignorance of the law can be a valid defense.
Yeah name any judge that knows every single law put in place.