I'm not going to write a huge missive, like this pile I just saw. Just many of you are REALLY off base about this topic. You can argue all you want, but it's insulting and I know for a fact there are a few gay people on here saying things, and therefore likely a hell of a lot more afraid to speak up, realizing it's pointless, etc.
- Being gay is not immoral.
- Being gay is NOT a choice, other than current fads among youth, and this is NOT "being gay."
- Most gays are NOT pedos.
- Most gays were not raped as kids.
- Most gays are in fact fed up with how far the grooming/tranny stuff/kids stuff is going.
And don't come at me with what an alleged God allegedly said in a book written by people who lived in a vastly more ignorant time overall.
If nothing else, just shut up about what you really don't know about, as it makes us all look like morons at best, and like a bunch of religious zealots that are going to un-separate church and state at worst.
Be advised I will not argue with anyone in the comments on this post.
EDIT: I told you - I will not argue. It's pointless - people who are set in their ways are NEVER up for argument, especially about a) homosexuality or b) religion. There are already several comments already making my exact points, even though they think they are doing the opposite.
EDIT 2: Lots of expected nonsense in the comments, but the score is still 175 to 52 as of this writing....
Since it was my post that this is a response to, then answer me this. Where was I wrong? Literally everything we said would happen has happened. We said if we allowed homosexuality and it's derivatives to become openly accepted in society then it would cause societal degradation on a massive scale. And where are we now?
Drag queens dressed as literal demons reading gay propaganda to children, transsexualism being pushed on the young, woke "teachers" trying to indoctrinate children into being queer, "MAPs" demanding we accept open pedophilia as a sexuality, women being raped in the bathroom by men "identifying as women", men in women's sports crushing them and their futures, and as of recent, zoophilia pride parades in Germany.
Literally everything we said would happen has now come to pass. Seems to me we're batting a 100 over here, while you and others like you keep trying to defend a degenerate lifestyle and culture that corrupts everything it touches in the name of "tolerance".
Because obviously we don't want to offend anyone. No Lord forbid someone should be offended by the Truth.
You were absolutely correct. OP's post here is complete trash.
Agree so why is it stickied.
Ask catsfive.
And get banned? HAH!
because the mods here are compromised.
Those who know, know
So it can get discussed, so everyone can get this junk out of their system, and so we can move along.
Well said,once again.
If we claim to care about anyone, we must tell them the TRUTH! Because living in lies destroys.
I don't even want them (homosexuals) to have a hard time, I understand they are just people like all of us, but they should respect us as equals in our wishes to separate ourselves and our loved ones from it.
But you are not taking the stance of the others this post is talking about.
You are taking a more Godly and Constitutional stance. Rather than infringing on their freedoms, you are asking for a mutual respect of not infringing on yours.
This is acceptable.
Demanding social outcast or slaughter is not.
Point to one post in here where someone has claimed they want to slaughter gays. Stop the hyperbolic nonsense.
I pointed you directly to a removed post and mod logs.
Stop the willful faux innocence.
So because one user allegedly demands "social outcast or slaughter" that then in response, justifies such a militant attack against those who simply call sin, sin?
Luke 6:22
Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
I don't understand what you mean by "militant attack". Please elaborate.
Obviously, if you're talking about this thread and our disagreements I think you're just not being realistic or honest.
But if you're talking about the AntiFA types going out and smashing heads or property, then no. Of course not.
But wise people are calculated with how they use their language, and intelligent people know that they have to lose a battle sometimes to win a war.
And if you sincerely don't believe we are in the midst of a culture war, I have nothing really to say about that because it's at our doorstep and the only way we change minds is being the more attractive side to be on, even when we disagree with each other.
If you have the option to vocalize that someone will be condemned to Hell for something you believe is a sin, and an option to choose kindness and understanding, kindness in that you can still treat them as human and understanding that they'll come to a point in their lives where they have their own awakening and repent -- why would you choose one?
The consequences of verbally condemning someone to Hell is just reinforcing a negative world view of God, Christianity and their peers in them. They will continue on their way and spread this hatred to others.
But if you offer them kind words and treat them with mutual human respect, they can come to realize that everything they've been told is a lie, and have enough time in their lives to repent and make the world a better place for someone else.
You don't always need to attack someone for being gay. You don't need to personally accept homosexuality either. All you have to do is understand that you are not in control of their lives and have absolutely no right instilled by God or the Constitution to infringe on their life.
Now, when it comes to truly degenerative behavior like child trafficking, drag queen story hour and pride parades -- double the sin -- I'm with you. But these things are perpetuated and protected by more than just the fractured people called the "gay community". Many straight people are involved too.
You'll probably refuse to even try to understand where I'm coming from, but that's fine I guess. I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine.
But if I had a child and that child turned out to be gay, I would viciously protect him or her against people who would do them harm.
nobody here is advocating slaughter. Most of us simply will not accept the sin of homosexuality as good and clean. We dont have to accept homosexuality as a positive lifestyle.
I have no idea why homosexuals feel the need to force us to accept their sin as good.
Exactly correct. There are 3 more stages to this process after normalizing the raping of children. Normalizing cannibalism (this just started about 2 weeks ago,) necrophilia (next in line), then open worshipping of Satan (we see it only as “entertainment” right now and we are gaslighted for questioning it.)
Thanks for standing up against sin. Our Lord despises it.
Well said. Any Pastor worth the name would say it's immoral behavior. Normalizing the behavior is what got us to where we are now.
From what you wrote here, you fail to understand the distinction between on the one hand the happenstance existence of gay individuals in society who's orientation has no bearing on their contributions to society, and on the other hand the emergent program of Queer Theory, a postmodern derivative agenda seeking to elevate the queerness of queers as a necessarily subjugated group that must now be uniquely empowered like every other Social Justice identity group.
So Queer Theory and ALL the resulting activism and complicit media campaigns all comes from post-postmodern academia that has now flooded pop culture, and that IS the slippery slope you identify. Just don't lump in all same-sex oriented individuals in society to that agenda. Guess what, some same-sex oriented individuals are not especially proud of their condition as a special protected class, but at the same time they don't feel any urgency to deny or shy away from who they are in public discourse. Note the difference.
Listen, sin is sin. And I don't care what the person is like. You can be the greatest, nicest, most benevolent person on the planet, and still be a sinner if you don't accept Jesus. Grenell and others are without a doubt, "good people", but they're still sinners unless they turn from their wicked ways. There is no compromise here. Everyone is a sinner, and yes that includes myself and others on here. But until you turn to Jesus and accept him and ask for forgiveness, you'll remain a sinner.
Jesus said to love another as yourself. He also said that you shouldn't look for the splinter in another eye while a plank is in your own. He also was angry with men who had hardened their hearts to the Lord's words - noticing that the old israelites had hardened hearts and that the Pharises of His day shared the condition.
What is used to divide and degenerate our society? That people sin? That people sin in a way that is different from you? Or that fear and hatred is used to drive the love from your heart for your fellow man?
How then can you claim this same elitist and divisive drivel as your truth? God will judge all sin in His time (and we certainly can't hasten that judgement just by killing them now) - so how about we, as Humans, stick to judging the Earthly matters He has given us?
Oh get off your high horse. You're the type of person who get's on their soap box and looks down on the rest of us for speaking the blunt truth. First of all, you miss the entire second half of Matthew 7:3-5
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."
Notice how it says to take the plank (log, I use NIV sue me) out of your own eye and then you can remove the speck from your brother's eye? I don't think I'm better than any other sinner, my plank has long since been removed. As I commented in reply to Catsfive stickied comment, we're all sinful pieces of crap without Jesus, and there's no difference. I'm no better than them, and they're no better than me. But since the plank has been removed from my eye, it's up to me and others like me to remove the speck from our brothers and sisters eyes.
Second, you seem to be under the impression I hate fags. Couldn't be further from the truth. I hate queer ACCEPTANCE. Hate the sin, not the sinner. I'll GLADLY do everything within my power to help even the most degenerate, scum of the earth sinner come to Jesus if they're willing. But that's not possible if you're stroking their ego by telling them it's alright that they're sinning and there's nothing wrong with their sinful lifestyle.
As for you trying to say we should judge other, that's also a load of crap. u/White-Lance pointed that out in his many comments on this thread, with scripture to back it up.
God is divisive, Matthew 13:30 is about as blunt as can be about that. The truth hurts, and sometimes you have to be blunt about things. This is one of those times.
Your defensiveness betrays you. You waste a wall of words telling me that I have a high horse and soap box, and then mount your horse and egg it to the highest moral position you can pretend to muster.
If you've removed your proverbial plank (and I couldn't care less about your version of the Bible) how come you are still a sinner? Notice that Jesus asks the first stone to be cast by the onw who has no sin -- NOT the first person to tell themselves and others that they've bested their own sins.
You also claim to be God's reaper by bringing up Matthew 13:30. Has God told you to reap the harvest? No, He has not. You aren't in knowledge of the day or the hour, you are simply another human professing to be holier than the rest of us while claiming kinship in the dirt. Exactly the tactics the elites use for division.
Matthew 13:30 is also kind to the same point I previously made: You attempt to claim His holiness for yourself by pretending to His powers. God decides the tare and the wheat, not you. God instructs his reapers, you don't get to pretend you are getting the tare and wheat ready for Him.
God is divisive - we are to be hospitable and to rule Earthly affairs, not spiritual. All through the Bible this point is made over and over. God punishes the wicked - we do not.
Also, "But that's not possible if you're stroking their ego by telling them it's alright that they're sinning and there's nothing wrong with their sinful lifestyle" is just about the dumbest strawman I've ever seen. I didn't tell you to go find the nearest glory hole and go to town. I said to live as Jesus instructed you and to stop being a pretender to His authority.
In that order, we're all sinners. Everyone. The fact you don't know/realize that tells me all I need to know about how much you know about Christianity, given that's the literal focal point of the religion (we're lost and sinners without Jesus).
Second of all May I introduce you to 2 Corinthians 5:20 ?
"Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God."
We're called to be ambassadors for Christ, ergo, separating the wheat from the chaff on behalf of God so that he may save the sinners according to his will.
As for the rest of your "arguement". I'm assuming you're the type who expects us all to roll over and die upon any confrontation because Jesus "wouldn't want that"? Are we forgetting that God is a wrathful God and he uses men to enact his will. Let us not forget God leading the Israelites into a war where they committed genocide against multiple cultures in order to establish ancient Israel, or when God used David to win a multitude of earthly wars in order to enact his will.
Or would you prefer a non violent example of God using men to enact his will on Earth? In that case let us look to Moses who God used on MANY occasions to perform his will. Or what about John (The cousin of Jesus, not he disciple), who performed earthly miracles on God's behalf before the arrival of Jesus?
How about a modern example, in which case you can look to literally any Missionary service where they give up years of their lives to go preach the word and convert non believers in atheist majority areas?
But I digress, the literal second paragraph of your response tells me all I need to know. You know nothing of Christianity, and nothing you say or claim will change my view on that. The fact that you don't know we're all sinners in God's eyes with out the blood and sacrifice of Jesus is proof of your ignorance on the topic.