This is my first time posting, so please forgive any formatting issues. TLDR to start because your time is valuable, and this is a long post.
TLDR: I have seen no evidence to support that the US is a corporation. I have seen two main forms of proof, which I dispute below. Straight forward enough?
I am posting to address a theory that circulates on here every so often. I refer to what I will call the US Corporation theory. I don’t know if supporters have a different name for it, so apologies if it has a better name.
I may be mistaken, but I have also taken the US Corporation theory to include the Sovereign Citizen movement. I do this because when they quote law, they use similar references. Also, there is a lot of overlap between the two. Please correct me in the comments if these are independent and should be treated differently.
I was inspired to post by a video link posted in the comments here today. I am not linking to the comment, or the post they commented on because I am not “calling out” the poster, or insinuating that they glow like Chernobyl. I am assuming they are good folk, and not a clown.
I also want to say the video has some good info, just definitely not what I write about below. The link was to the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHl4j5xF-Js&t=12s&ab_channel=RageAgainstNWO
The video made two claims in particular that stood out to me. First, that the United States became a corporation under the Organic Act of 1871. Link to the current Federal Code, 28 U.S.C. 3002, which incorporates the Act of 1781, below:
The theory points to 28 U.S.C. 3002 Section 15. I am skipping Sections (1) through (14) here. You can find them at the link above.:
- Definitions
As used in this chapter:
…
(15) "United States" means—
(A) a Federal corporation; (B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or (C) an instrumentality of the United States.
Here’s the problem with interpreting United States means a Federal Corporation. See that part right at the beginning that says: “As used in this chapter”? Those are the definitions for this chapter. Not always, and not everywhere in the US Code – only for this chapter.
Second, that the Paris Peace Treaty of 1783 confirms that the US was and is a British colony:
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/treaty-of-paris
You can scroll down to see a transcript of the document. The following is the part that I think the video refers to, very first paragraph:
“It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the Hearts of the most Serene and most Potent Prince George the Third, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, Duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, Arch- Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc.. and of the United States of America, to forget all past Misunderstandings and Differences that have unhappily interrupted the good Correspondence and Friendship which they mutually wish to restore;”
The above reads as if the King of England is referred to as King or Price Elector of the United States. Keep in mind that this also says he is King of France, a country he was actively at war with, and who aided us in the Revolutionary War.
Next, go to Article 1 of the document:
“His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and Independent States; that he treats with them as such, and for himself his Heirs & Successors, relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety, and Territorial Rights of the same and every Part thereof.
Since I can’t format on this site for shit, let me just put some emphasis of my own:
His Brittanic Majesty
acknowledges
the said Unites States
to be free and sovereign Independent States
and for himself his Heirs & Successors
relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety and Territorial Rights of the Same and every Part thereof.
I think that wraps up the French Treaty part of the theory.
Please feel free to send me something else to look up for this. Give me legal citations to check. If you genuinely believe the US is a corporation, I truly want to look at your sources.
I am not a lawyer, but I do work in legal. I am passionate about the law, and I do not appreciate when people claim the law says one thing when it really says something else. That’s what Demonrats do.
I know some may take offense to the notion of this theory being bunk, but I also think you've approached it in a mature manner. Good theories need to withstand basic scrutiny. I too have found the information on this lacking, but perhaps there's some legal thing I've missed as well?
If there's anyone on the pro side of this theory, I'd like to see a good break down of how exactly it's supposed to be true, with the legalese spelled out a little better for those of us who didn't work IN the jag office.
Thanks and I agree! That was why I made this!
Most of us just want the truth. That’s why we’re here. Good, bad, or ugly. The truth gives us understanding and lights a path forward.
My understanding! Sovernn citizen is a title created by the BAR Association. It's a trap. You need to do more research on that one. Cop asks if you're a citizen of any kind it's a trap. We should be referenced as an Iowan National, State National, or we the people. That said you must remove yourself from that corporation, that does exist. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA all caps is the corporation. These United States is constitutionally correct. We are the people, We The People, not citizens. I've been wanting to do posts on this but I've only got about 30 hours research time. There are millions of State nationals now and growing fast. I believe this to be the most important action we can take to regain control of the country. I'm looking into it more. When I have supporting docs I'll do that. For now, I've read some of the supporting docs, and I whole heartedly believe this to be true. But that's me. I also believe the deep State has created shortcut sites to become a State National. These sites I believe are designed to do it incorrectly, thus getting people arrested while creating doubt in the process. We've all seen the vids on that. I plan to do posts but it's a deep deep rabbit hole. YouTube had some vids that are worth watching. David Lester Straight Utah is a good set to start with!
Correct "state national" or "union citizen" is the correct term. If you say "citizen of the United States", this means "citizen of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" CORPORATION or TRUST, whichever it is. Everyone is a union citizen of Tennessee State AND a corporate citizen/employee of STATE OF TENNESSEE CORPORATION, for example. All state courts operate under corporation jurisdiction which is Roman Civil Law (selected by the Trust#2) because Tennessee State has illegally and deceptively "hired" the STATE OF TENNESEE CORPORATION (created after 3-9-1933) to run Tennessee State (union state under the Constitution of 1788, Trust#1). They intentionally make it confusing so you can't sort it out.
And that's why British agents talk to British nobles in legalese. The Bar is an all-controlling organization, requiring British agents everywhere to "register" to be able to "practice" "law." I do believe we are in-fact under British Common Law.
Indeed! I gotta get to a seminar!
This fat kids paying attention
That's another good item: where does anything official say that "ALL CAPITAL LETTERS" means anything at all?
Nowhere. I worked many years at a law firm. All caps didn't exist until typewriters were invented. There was no boldface or underline on typewriters, so the only way to emphasize names in a long document was to type them in all caps. After computers came out we did the same, as the daisy-wheel printers didn't do all caps either. Then we got laser printers that could do boldface, but law firms don't change overnight, so we kept the same procedures in place.
There are people claiming that all birth certificates have your name in all caps to show that you are collateral for some money scheme. That is not so. I am a researcher, and I've looked at thousands of old original birth certificates in a number of states. They were all entirely handwritten, meaning no all caps anywhere. These people also claim that the certificates have serial numbers, but I 've never seen anything other than a short page number.
It's all made up by wingnuts.
Incorporated businesses are all filed under all caps.
This is Cliff High's take on it.
https://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2022/09/new-clif-high-captured-congress-trumped-by-military-fema-is-a-captured-continuity-of-government-operates-under-dc-empire-city-2533644.html
If you’d like a less mature but still enough to have statutes and codes quoted check out www.onestupidfuck.com and watch the first video on the front page for a TL;DR video of his contract killer course. At least he lives up to his name lol. As crazy as he comes across he brings the goods on US Corporation, state national status, contract killing through contract law, and discharging debt. Listen to this dude and you can basically become your own federal reserve. Create your own currency and discharge your debt with it. As long as you can still get loans approved you can discharge them. Plan well and Mass up good credit to finance stuff and then discharge it. Credit score will eventually hinder you but you can do a lot of damage if you do it right. Key part is having no assets by putting everything you own in a trust so they can’t take anything from you. Have fun in the rabbit hole.
I was really hopeful on this one. On one of the beginning pages he offers a free download for Blacks Law 4th edition, which is awesome. Then i read this:
Common Law is the law of the LAND. Statutory/corporate/commerce law is the law of the SEA. And there is actually one more jurisdiction of the AIR, which is governed by God and the Bible. The Air jurisdiction is expressed in law by Trust Law (which has its own rules) and Canon Law.
Look at the first sentence. The constitution is the supreme law of the land. Period.
If he doesn't believe in the constitution, I am not reading further.
Is there something on there in particular that you liked? I will check it out.
The way he explains contract law and how he uses it against banks makes sense to me. Especially after watching this other video https://youtu.be/iFDe5kUUyT0 about how currency is generated out of nothing by the federal reserve and banks. Then watching his video expands on that by using contract law to expose the fake corporate you that was created fraudulently and how to eject yourself from the US Corporation to being a state national or the equivalent to a foreign national to the corporation. What some people call being a sovereign that is governed by only the constitution and common law. He really does explain it better if you’re patient enough to get through his opening BS on that first video on his page. It gets really interesting once he gets on topic. He uses self written contracts to put the banks in a catch-22 between discharging your debt or being sued in a common law court.
Honestly I’m a bit of a dumbshit but have seen enough bits of information in other places to recognize how this guy pulls it all together. Not saying I will act on it but he has me chewing on the info enough to contemplate it. He has a free class you can sign up for and sends you a new video once a day for two weeks but the first video on his page is a good summary of what the whole class entails.
I think you just explained the whole thing. It appears that it was the Vatican that setup the Trust#2 of 1871, and very possibly the Trust#1 of 1788 with the DC carve out language added in there somewhere, maybe 1791?
L = Land; jurisdiction granted to the United States from the Crown; only state nationals buying land with gold or silver can truly own land and get the legal title.
A = Air/Spirit; Provided to Vatican City per one of the agreements 1783, so they have the authority to create Trust#2 in 1871 and select W jurisdiction as law of the land. Vatican put themselves above God when claiming this.
W= Water; Retained by England and Crown; sea is primary form of commerce and operates under Admiralty Law which may have evolved from or predated Roman Civil Law (RCL) and into the UCC. So any Trust created that specifically selects RCL/Admiralty, such as was apparently done in 1871, gets to use that jurisdiction.
When you are acting as a state national (Trust#1) the Constitution for the united states of America (CfusA, 1788) is the law of the land (Am/Brit common/Const Law via Article III Federal Courts). When you are acting as a citizen of the United States (Trust#2) the Constitution of the United States of America (CotUSA, 1871) is the law of land (Roman Civil Law/Admiralty Law/UCC enforced via State Courts under "corporate law" of the STATE SERVICE CORPORATIONS.)
Found a simpler way to explain what he does. You will obviously have to seek more details to fully understand. He does the exact same thing banks do, he sends them a lien on the loan contract, because it is monetary, and when they don’t respond he turns it into a security and sells it. Anyone can do it by adhering to contract law
Curious if you've gone ahead and done this or just read about it.
No I have not. I am contemplating it but as he explains it’s not something to just jump into. You must prepare and move methodically and intentionally. To do it right and avoid problems. I’ve seen enough bits and pieces of info pertaining to this in other places to recognize how he is pulling it all together. The first video on his page is worth the view of you can get through the opening BS. Once he gets on topic he gives a good outline of everything he teaches in his free class.
Found a simpler way to explain what he does. You will obviously have to seek more details to fully understand. He does the exact same thing banks do, he sends them a lien on the loan contract, because it is monetary, and when they don’t respond he turns it into a security and sells it. Anyone can do it by adhering to contract law.
I thought before today that the general consensus here was this IS the USA Corporation, est. 1871. Hardly ever was it questioned before, it was simply taken as true that US Grant was the first president under the corp, so after the dissolution Trump would be No. 19, etc. Now suddenly today everyone's on board that it's bunk.
I have absolutely no idea whether it's true or not. I had asked a couple times for some sauce that it is true, and it was provided. I lost the paper I wrote the notes on but remember it was pretty convincing. Now the fence I'm sitting on is digging into my buttcrack.
Pretty sure u/Space_Monkey nailed it below with the UCC stuff.