As titled; the US house of usurpers just passed an act attacking the original Electoral Count Act of 1887, apparently at the behest of their fraudulent "January 6 committee" and they did this specifically to "prevent another Jan. 6."
The senate also has their own version...AND 10 "REPUBLICAN" SENATORS SUPPORTING IT!!!!!!!!
This is absolute fucking lunacy and sheer evil. I'm fucking enraged.
If these faggots "won fair & square in the most secure, free & fair election in history" WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY LITERALLY CHANGING OUR ENTIRE VOTING SYSTEM???
That's not to even mention the fact they unleashed an entire God damned biowewapon upon the planet to give them an excuse to ram through mail-in voting and drastically alter how votes are counted and ballots are handled.
WINNERS DO NOT SEEK TO CHANGE THE RULES OF THE GAME!!!!!!!
LINKS:
(Sorry; IDK if we are not supposed to use archive.org, but I tried archive.is and both times I tried, it literally said I was 1,500 in queue..... no joke.....)
Another archive with more info, specifically about the senate's version:
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***Hey shoot frens; you know what; I just realized that I accidentally used the word "COLLEGE" in the title, where it should have been "COUNT". ***
The title SHOULD have read "Electoral COUNT Act" and NOT "Electoral COLLEGE Act."
This was an honest mistake on my part.
I see where the title is different from the article & I apologize; it was absolutely NOT intentional and NOT an attempt to get clicks / mislead / mis-inform; just an honest brain fart.
Obviously I was thinking about the Electoral COLLEGE, and typed that instead of "Count."
This IS still extremely significant, however....... none of my other sentiments change based on this one word.
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This post is extremely misleading. Title says electoral college reform - this is the electoral count act. Not the same thing. Electoral college reform would require amending the constitution.
Am I the only one looking at this differently? This would stop Kamala from interfering in 2024. If you think they wouldn’t let her because they swore Pence couldn’t in 2020, you haven’t been paying attention. They would have her interfere and pretend like they never said a word 4yrs earlier.
"Am I the only one looking at this differently?"
::Looks wistfully off into the night through his bedroom window, as a cartoon thought bubble appears::
"We are watching a movie"
Nope! Not the only one not at all! Keep up the good work Joe & Co!
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Hey shoot you know what; I just realized this and it was an honest mistake.
I see where the title is different from the article & I apologize; it was absolutely NOT intentional and NOT an attempt to get clicks / mislead / mis-inform; just an honest brain fart.
Obviously I was thinking about the Electoral COLLEGE, and typed that instead of "Count."
This IS still extremely significant, however....... none of my other sentiments change based on this one word.
I do believe that maneuver is on page 666 of the Cannanite Playbook.
Yes. Dems still want payback from 1876 and were really the ones pushing well meaning but gullible MAGA to support the misguided theory that President of Senate has the authority to reject certificates Republicans certainly argued that theory in 1876, and it's true that Jefferson basically exercised that authority in 1800 (in 1796 Adams accepted VT, as he should have, and gave opportunity for objections but nobody did). BUT that doesn't necessarily mean that the theory is correct. Presiding officer is to preside in a ministerial manner. Problem is that 12th isn't explicit about the validation of certificates or disputes to them.
Dems were trying to use this theory so that should 2024 come up and they have the VP/POTS then they could say "ha! You said they had that power back in 2020!"
Didn't see this thread when I made one earlier here https://greatawakening.win/p/15Jn6bV4S3/eca-1887-reform-bills-currently-/
My comments...
Even though Democrats and some Republicans are pushing for amending the ECA 1887 (now codified under 3 U.S. Code § 15) under the claim that it's in response to the "DeAdLiESt DaY iN AMeRiCan HiStoRy!", it's long overdue.
Historical background:
The 1887 legislation is a shitshow, and much of it is unconstitutional (see Beermann & Lawson, Kesavan, and Luttig & Rivkin,) in particular Congress bestowing upon itself powers not granted to it under the Constitution. Congress is a legislative body, not a judicial body. Just because Congress claimed for itself the exclusive power to resolve presidential election disputes, that doesn't mean the Constitution actually authorizes such action. The argument is "necessary and proper" clause authorizes the law, BUT that's only for "carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution." There is no such explicitly enumerated power of "presidential election dispute resolution" granted to Congress in Article I, nor anything close to indicating any such implied powers. The fact of the matter is that this is a JUDICIAL matter, which should be left to the theoretically impartial courts. The 1876 Electoral Commission was actually a far better, and far more constitutionally valid action (aside from the involvement of Congressmen being on the "Tribunal") than the ECA 1887. And least at that time, the Court was rightly involved. It took 100 years for SCOTUS to vindicate Justice Harlan's dissent in Taylor v Beckham, by fully overturning (via Bush v Gore) the nonsensical theory that federal courts had no jurisdiction in settling presidential election disputes, which in 1900 they deemed to be "political issues."
Tldr; dispute resolutions are matters of applying the law, and are the responsibility of the Judiciary. ECA 1887 was mostly unconstitutional and much of it was just stupidly designed.
Here are the current House and Senate bill drafts. The "Findings" bullshit in the House version is indeed, comical...
Actually, no, that would be the Battle of Fort Stevens when actual rebellious traitors under Jubal Early's (Lost Cause shithead) command threatened Washington DC... but I digress...
It appears that it's fairly likely that some version of these bills are going to be passed into law. Some of the proposed changes are shockingly fairly smart (and legal), including the setting of specific December deadlines (14th = gov certification, 22nd = Electors vote), dealing with "catastrophic events", and other procedural clarifications.
HOWEVER, the two biggest issues, are the explicit rendering of the President of the Senate (aka VP, except in cases of vacancy) and even Congress to an extent, serving a purely ministerial function. Despite what some MAGAs claimed in 2021, what the Republicans in Congress and Rutherford B. Hayes claimed in 1876, and what both Jefferson and Adams did in 1800/1796, the President of the Senate was only ever intended to be the presiding officer, to act in a ministerial capacity, to preserve order. The problem is that the 12th Amendment never made that explicitly clear, hence the 220 year debate over the role and authority. But the Constitution cannot just be changed via federal statute. Rather, it must be amended. The same problem exists with this attempt to maintain Congress as the "court" to rule on matters of settling disputes. The Constitution doesn't authorize Congress to do so. Rather, all judicial actions are reserved to the Courts. Congress DOES have the Article I, Section 8 power to establish Tribunals (which could be both temporary and/or permanent to deal with election disputes... see the conclusion in the book Ballot Battles for more). But if the people truly want the most politically partisan cesspool of shitfuckers to be authorized to investigate and deliberate over presidential election disputes, then the Constitution must be amended.
Tldr; this is basically 1887 all over again... just more bullshit, not real fixes.
Edit: one interesting take on a couple sections of proposed changes indicates the potential "authorizing" of a "losing candidate" to challenge in court...
If that's correct, perhaps this is explicitly confirming a "legal" route (that technically already exists) to prevent another steal down the road by actually forcing the Court to do its job instead of claiming "lack of standing"? If this is correct and this becomes law, could Trump then use it retroactively to see remedy from the Courts for the 2020 steal? hmmmm
Seems like anything they do can be overturned in November.
January at the earliest, when the new congress is sworn in.
Good point. I wonder what other garbage they will try between November and January.
IDK about you but I've got ZERO faith for the current bunch of mostly RINOs in our gov to do a damn thing other than take more money from china, ukraine, and fuck us all over as they sell out us and our country.
Imagine if we can change the rules for the midterms right now:
Every single member of the Congress and Senate has a choice - 1) resign immediately and have their records during their time in office audited, or 2) face a military supervised and machine-free referendum (confidence vote) from the constituents and if 50% + 1 vote to oust the said member, the member has to vacate his/her seat and be sent to Gitmo awaiting military tribunal.
How many would dare to face the voters?
We're at a point where almost both the Congress and the Senate should be suspended and a quasi martial law be implemented.
Boomerang- Heels yup Harris will not be able to challenge electors.
Yeah but then if white hats get back in we can reset / undo this, right?
Yes, law can be repealed or amended. May not have to be if struck down as unconstitutional by SCOTUS.
I hate them all..
Sometimes all it takes is one drop of rain to start a landslide that can start a tsunami that wipes life of the face of the planet and explodes into outer space to inundate the planets.
Except that the ECA 1887 is moronic and in several parts, completely unconstitutional. It's needed to be repealed or struck down for a long time. Time to restore judicial matters to the Judiciary.
Nope. See sources posted throughout this and other threads. Constitution doesn't explicitly authorize Congress with Electoral dispute adjudication powers. Necessary and Proper argument is invalid.
Love how Berry failed to even attempt an argument on Constitutional grounds, never once quoting the actual Constitution where this alleged judicial authority of Congress is enumerated. At least other defenders of the ECA attempted the week Necessary and Proper argument.
It's one thing to argue what one thinks might be the better solution, but another to argue that the Constitution actually authorizes Congress to enact as much via statute. Nope. Not how the Constitution works. If the majority of imbeciles in this country truly want the most partisan shitfuckers in the land (Congress) to be the judges of elections, then they can amend the Constitution, as required by the Constitution. Until then, COURT is in session, with judges presiding.
If you've still yet to read the book Ballot Battles, it is certainly worth your time. In particular, pay attention to the author's treatment of the history of judicial development in regards to election matters, and also focus on his conclusion chapter and his suggestions for improvments. He mentions passing statutes, BUT this would be to enact Tribunals which Congress is authorized to do so under Article 1 Section 8. Said Tribunals must however be tribunals, courts, judges, not Congressmen... maintain separation of powers and checks and balances.
Article III, Section 1... can't be anymore clear.
No, the 12th did no such thing. The votes shall be counted (tallied). No explicit mention of adjudication power, not for President of Senate nor Congress. If anything, the context and syntax of the text would more imply that "duty" to be given to President of Senate as opposed to Congress, which functions solely as an observing body, UNLESS there is a tie in majority or no majority. Only then does Congress have explicit power to involve itself in the Electoral process. An election without a majority is not the same as a disputed election. You keep conflating the two scenarios and thus your argument for this interpretation of implied powers that simply aren't there. The very fact that as early as 1800, they were discussing the need to clarify who exactly has the authority and duty to settle disputes simply proves that it was a flaw that the Framers overlooked, or rather in their naivete they wrongly presumed that the states would themselves better police their own Electoral appointments and there be no need for a further level of adjudication. And how did they suggest a fix? By the appointment of a Tribunal, which included at the very least, the Chief Justice, thus a judicial presence. That's why the justices were involved in 1876 to eliminate the perception of partisanship in having just Congress deliberate.
You like Berry argue that Congress is best suited to adjudicate. I argue the opposite, as it is an inherently political body, more susceptible to partisanship and conniving. A corrupt judge is far easier to deal with than an entire corrupt legislative body. If the judges err so egregiously, Congress retains its lawful authority to remove them. Checks and balances. And yet, if the people truly want the cesspool of Congress to have this authority, by all means they can give it to Congress. BUT the Constitution requires an amendment for that purpose, not just Congress taking it upon themselves to give themselves power... if the Constitution already makes it so clear that it has said power then why the need to make additional statutes? 🤔😉
Only a foreign entity would want to make it easier to corrupt American institutions? Fren, your analysis of American honesty is noble, but completely misguided. Partisan politics is a competition, one in which all sides are tempted to manipulate, swindle and cheat all on their own, without any foreign pressure. It's been going on since our very first elections. It will undoubtedly, sadly, continue. Thus why the need for better rule making governing the competitive process.
I did not say that. I have said, numerous times, that the Court is, at least theoretically, not a political, partisan body, unlike Congress which is inherently a political body and unfortunately has become hyper partisan, much to the naive disappointment of the Framers.
It is true that Davis was originally chosen to be the quote "impartial" 5th Justice. Even though Davis could have served on the Commission, despite the contingent election victory winning the Senate seat he'd later take, he didn't... sucks for the Dems, but hey, the Commission was THEIR idea. After all, they disagreed with Hayes and the Republicans who argued that the President of the Senate (who at the time, was not the VP due to,vacancy) had sole adjudication authority, and pushed the plan for the Commission in hopes that they could at worst get the Election thrown to the House where they held a majority of Reps and state delegations. But remind me again about how impartial, and fairminded the Congressional cesspool is...
Just because Bradley was appointed by a Republican doesn't mean that he wasn't impartial, in fact that can be said of all the participating Justices. All that matters, is whether or not their decisions were CORRECT. And Bradley's opinions on the laws and facts of the case were indeed, CORRECT. Moreover, after the Democrat shits ran Bradley through the mud in the aftermath, Davis himself AGREED with Bradley. So this argument that "had the 'more impartial' Davis served, then Tilden would have been 'rightfully' declared winner" argument is unfunded and frankly utterly nonsensical.
Sure, as I've conceded before, it is easier to corrupt 1 person than it is 200. And as I've retorted before, it's far easier to get rid of 1 corrupt judge than it is 200 corrupt Congressmen. How is leaving an inherently judicial matter up to a nonjudicial body, full of mostly incompetent, legally illiterate, easily corruptable "legislators" (read: puppets of lobbyists and special interests) moving towards a more "perfect" system? Quite the opposite... it rather moves closer to a more easily exploitable, partisan fuelled shitshow.
And to reiterate, while this debate over what we both think is better improvements is stimulating, it still ignores the central argument that you continue to assert without actually evidencing, e.g. the claim that Congress is vested by the Constitution with adjudication authority over Electoral disputes. As I've pointed out time and again, with my own analysis and even more in-depth analysis from established historians, lawyers and constitutional experts, the Constitution at best is unclear regarding who exactly is vested with said authority. The 12th Amendment doesn't explicitly enumerate the power to anyone. So we must look elsewhere for guidance on dealing with such judicial matters. And Article III is EXPLICITLY clear as to that answer:
If you don't think it wise, then argue for an Amendment to the Constitution to change it. But these assertions that the Constitution says something it doesn't, or that the problem can simply be changed via statute even though Congress isn't authorized with the legislative power to do so, are disingenuous and getting boring.