Most of the Illegals work for contract companies and they can layoff or hire as needed without making the news, but there's a lot more to it than that. There are HUGE savings on payroll taxes and benefits. So much so that a company employing Americans can't compete. Even contract companies that employ Americans can't compete, and that's with no benefits.
In My case, I'm on SS, but had to resume work in order to live decently after returning from abroad. I work as a security guard and we have no benefits except 1.5 pay over 40 hours and 1.5 pay working on the 6 national holidays, nothing for the holidays if you aren't working. Company still has payroll taxes.
Back to the illegals...
Most of them are in the same boat, No sick days, No vacation, No Holiday pay, No Insurance and often no overtime pay. However the savings run deeper for the corporations.
SS and Medicare is currently 7.65% to Employee and the Employer has to match.
FUTA (Federal Unemployment) is 6% of first 7,000 paid each employee. State Unemployment in Tn (Where I live) is .01%-to as high as 10% (1) 2.7% for New Employers on the first 7,000 (Varies each year) paid an employee for 2023, Fla rates (2)
Worker's Compensation averages .93% overall, but varies by state and how hazardous the job is. California at 1.45% is at or near the top for average. Look up your states info here. https://www.thehartford.com/workers-compensation/states
Vacation time varies
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Tax rates range from 0.01% to 2.3% for positive-rated employers and from 5% to 10% for negative-rated employers. Tennessee is the only state to determine experienced employer unemployment tax rates on a semiannual basis. The standard unemployment tax rate for new employers is 2.7% for fiscal year 2023
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The Florida 2023 SUI tax rates are dated December 22, 2022. The minimum rate is 0.10% and the maximum rate is 5.4%, except that employers participating in the short-time compensation program may be subject to a maximum rate of 6.4%. New employers pay 2.7% in 2023.
Vacation-Sick leave Holidays: Insert your numbers here... Minimum at most jobs would be 40 Vacation, 48 Holiday, Sick Pay (0-48)
Corporations are starting to use more white collar workers that are illegals, so think about that before shrugging your shoulders. Also using illegals in the military might be right around the corner, they aren't going to be patriotic in all probability. California setting precedence by using Illegals as police.
If anyone employing illegals went to prison for a long stretch, this issue would resolve itself.
Yeah, I post about this often, but get very little positive feedback. I have had people justify employing them. Thing is no jobs they won't come.
Also the employer is paying on avg about 75% of any insurances.
Also they can't unionize.
Also no maternity leave pay.
Also no minimum wage, but with all of these savings, you could pay an illegal 2-3x as much and come out ahead.
But this isn't about the corporations finding the most affordable way to operate as much as it is about the gov leaving the border open and having so many regulations for those corporations to employ Americans.
Yeah, some good additional points. On wages, except for possibly Agriculture I don't think many are working below minimum wage these days. I do remember when that was true in the 70's. I worked at below minimum wage while in College early. 25 cents below, but it was at a Dog Track as overnight security. I could do homework and sleep. They also didn't pay 1.5 over 40, and when I left I called the Florida Labor Board and was told they are exempt under the seasonal labor laws.
My niece is married to an Illegal, and his job pays him a buck less than Americans doing the same job. Here in Tenn. I talked to a few working hotels and they earn 13-15 an hour, but some don't get 40 hours a week. The construction workers earn at least 15, because Unlike Americans they show up.
Yeah not the federal minimum most likely but certain states minimums are getting up there. But yeah they don't have to, since it's cheaper paying an illegal 25 instead of paying an insured, full benefits American 15.
Have you reported him to ICE yet?
He has some kind of status, pending, been here 20 years. I'm not on speaking terms with my niece she and he are drunks and she is back on drugs which he had saved her from. I can't watch their kids get fucked up like me and my sister did.
That's unfortunate.
My wife is Filipino and came here legally and is now a citizen. What a big pain in the butt legal immigration was. I know a lot of people there that would come here fit in well and work hard if the process to come here legally was a bit easier. Bonus is they speak English...
The illegals can get a job they will come. Mexico pays most people 10 bucks a day. Here in Nashville the illegals earn 13 bucks an hour or more. Dry up the jobs they will leave. That's why the push by the Dems to bring more families so they can make dependent voters. Back in the 70's it was almost all men.
I get it, companies are in it for the money. If u need to hire someone to do a job, and there are two ppl that can do the job, a legal or citizen, and an illegal, the company will take the illegal because the cost to pay the illegal will be less. But that will only lead the the destruction of the country as more companies hire illegals and not legals. I personally belive if all the back breaking, tradesman, foul jobs, etc. are taken by illegals, then the citizens and legals will be forced to take on the jobs that require college, the more ppl out of necessity take on college to just get a job, the more they have debt, the more will be brainwashed by the liberal schools, the more leftist lunatics are produced. There would ultimatly end up being a class system where citizens are the slave masters so to speak while the illegals be the slaves and we would be the bitch run over by a violent mob.
I know i went off the rails lol. Do i believe we are headed in that direction, i say no. No because in the last two years, i have seen patriotism rising, and average people standing up to politicians. if we have the right politicians in the right places, all we would need is a law created that any buisness hiring illegals will be fined heavily, owner thrown in jail for 5 years, and the buisness closed down. As soon as the law is created, your landscaper will charge you double every week. Home depot would have no day laborers outside.
Maybe the beer is talking lol. I can dream can't i?
The closer you are to dealing with your neighbor or local the better. Corporations become disloyal as they grow, and once they become international are pure evil. https://www.weforum.org/ click on partners then partners all.
These people that control these corporations are using our money to build themselves up. Got most of the pensions, Roth, 401-k, 403-b money as their capital. These corporations own almost everything. Blackrock, Citicorp, Vanguard etc... own most of the big corporations including each other.
Corporations as a form of business needs to go...
Disney canned a bunch of their programmers in Florida and brought in India people. Made the old employees train the new.
Actually I'm looking forward to all the white collar liberals screaming when its their job that's gone.
I'm good with legal green carders coming in, I brought my wife here and she is now a US citizen. Was a pain in the butt all through the process though.
I'm not sure these days, but years ago hospitals paid their nurses less than contract agency nurses, but they had company benefits. Contract agency had fewer benefits and were paid less than traveling nurses. Traveling nurses are typically higher skilled and sign contracts for x amount of time, and were paid more and had free accommodations.
I worked 6 months at a hospital in Central Florida and one of the Nurses there worked 2 days there, 2 days at Shand's Teaching Hospital in Gainesville, and 1 day at a hospital in Miami. At the hospital I worked at they were an emergency room nurse, at the other 2 a surgical nurse. Not sure the pay, but going to Miami is a 300 mile trip, so one day must have been worth it...
Traveling nurses are DEFINITELY not higher skilled. Been a nurse for decades, have seen it all.
They're allowing Sikhs into the police force here.
Of course, they get to wear their bullshit towels while on duty. That would have NEVER been part of an allowed uniform previously. It makes them look unofficial, tacky, third party even, but because its muh religion, it is not only allowed but publicized. Oh looky what we did guhys:
https://www.sikhnet.com/news/impd-police-chief-leaders-visit-gurdwara-sikh-satsang
If they pull me over, I'm getting a ticket. But their fellow Indians will get a pass because brotherhood and community is everything. They sure as hell aren't going to ticket or arrest someone who has a higher status than them. They pool their money together to buy up all the gas stations and subways so they can drive Ranger Rovers and 7 series Bimmers. I've lived here my whole life and in less than 15 years I'm now a minority because our fucking corrupt government has flooded this area with them. They not only not had to pay to get to this point, they were subsidized, plus they got to skip past everyone else waiting in line and approved. They don't integrate or change, they bring everything about their country with them, including the smell. Now we've got a shit ton of Afghans floating around.
I want my fucking state back, but I think I'm going to self deport to Florida like a good American.
Move over illegals, we got ChatGPT now!
LOL Thats some AI dialog tool or something?
yeah, but apparently its learning so much about so many jobs that it can soon replace a lot of lowend white collar jobs. I know a friend who is in IT who uses ChatGPT for creating emails and work flow, and he was quite amazed that it knows exactly what to do!
Yeah, CraigsList had bots that would kind of fit with your message, but not really more than a decade ago.
I harp on the whole illegal thing because in the long run its not good for anyone. Mexico is the 15th largest economy in the world, its not poor, but most jobs are 10 bucks a day. Pre 2020 56% were Mexicans.
My wife is from the Philippines and legal immigration is a pain in the ass, and her getting citizenship wasn't that fun ether. Easy to come illegal, a lot of barriers to come legaly.
Companies and corporations will always place profits ahead of other priorities, and being patriotic ranks last in their priorities. Unfortunately this is the consequence of capitalism.
That being said, behaviors can be modified by means of governmental regulations, and if American companies, and by extension there contractors, are required to employ only Americans and legal immigrants, then it solves most of the problems. There is still a loophole with respect to consultants, but that can be shaped, too.
I work with impact-benefit agreements a lot, and know first hand how well this type of behavioral modification serves to benefit the local communities and businesses, but have also experienced how these IBAs can really affect companies' profitability when they are forced to hire less skilled labors.
Case study: Norway and its policies on offshore oil industry. Norway helped ensuring that its population becomes skilled in running offshore oil operations after oil was first discovered off Norwegian coasts. Two decades later, Norwegians became experts in the offshore oil industry so much so that many of the later offshore oil rigs around the world use Norwegian management and contractors.
In order to make America great again, there needs to be a focus on training future American workforce being the most skilled in all aspects of the economy. The only president who has even tried to do that in the last forty years is DJT.
Multinationals need to go, there's no benefit to the consumer. We have only had an illusion of a free market. Coke and Pepsi have huge chunks of their stocks owned by the same corporations. Blackrock, Citicorp, Vanguard, etc... They also own each other's stock.
A sole Proprietorship or Partnership are better type of companies
Most of the stocks are owned by everyday people, yet a select few people make the decisions. WEF has a list of partners that consists of hundreds of corporations. They have too much power. Some day I might add up the market cap of all these corporations just to see how many trillions they control. Apple and Microsoft 1st and 3rd total 5 trillion in market cap alone and are WEF, Interestingly Number 2 Saudi Aramco is not listed as a WEF member though several other Saudi companies are. Estimated World market cap is 91 Trillion. I'm interested in seeing how much of that is WEF controlled. Click on Partners on this page then all partners. https://www.weforum.org/partners
Every time an item changes hands the price goes up, and these people move everything through as many hands as possible. Parimutuel wagering works like that as well. You aren't betting against the house, and the house gets a cut every time the money passes through the window.
I am old enough to remember when a man was able to support a family, buy a house, 2 cars, etc from working a building trade like hanging drywall or carpentry. Sure as hell couldn't do that today. What happened? Illegals drove down wages for everybody.
Of course corporations love illegals. Notice how opening the border was the very first act of the Biden admin. Corporations love having an inexhaustible supply of cheap and expendable labor. Specifically Big Ag and meatpacking. Injury rates in packing plants are high. With illegals they can just fire the poor bastard, not report it to OSHA, and have someone else fill that slot.
Illegal immigration is a modern day indentured servitude or slavery. Change my mind.
Yeah to all your comments. My mother bought a house in 1964, 3 bed 1 bath carport. Not sure if it was new I was a kid. Her Mortgage pmt. was 50 bucks a month for 12 years. that's 7,200 including interest, she put 300 down... Working as a bank teller for 2 and change an hour she brought home 70-75 a week.
Not only do the illegals drive down wages, but also benefits. I retired early, moved abroad a few years later, and started getting SS when I returned to the states at age 62. My SS is 1205, but my rent is 2k, I went back to work so my wife and I could rent a middle class house.
The house next door just sold for 484 thousand and with 20% down the online estimate from bank rate was 3,200 Inc taxes and Insurance. Add in 800 a month for ongoing maint. and you are at 4k. The houses are a few years older than I am, and will need new electrical and plumbing if not already done.
I owned very cheap condos in Orlando the ones I lived in were 25k, then 34k(After Obama rebate), and 18k. Before renting a house we tented a cheap apt. equal to the first and third in size 600 ft 1/1 Some were sold as condos for 160K wtf, its not a nice complex, both pools were filled in decades ago.
I have no desire to buy in the USA, I have a house built for cash abroad.