It was total negligence on the railroad. I saw the picture of the axle it was given to lawyers. I wish I could post it. The person who released it could lose his job. Trust me I am the first to believe in false flags. This isn't one.
The axle, what they call the hot box, was on fire 30 miles outside of East Palestine. The railroad told them do not stop keep going. This is standard procedure direct from the horses mouth.
NS had a town meeting last night. My husband's son said they are doing everything to screw them over. Handing out checks to shut them up.
Lawyers are involved. This is far from over.
His son is devastated and fears of living in a house he just purchased this summer. The lawyers told them to get a baseline on their health in case they develop illnesses.
I am infuriated because the government didn't do this as a false flag. The employee who gave the picture stated this is protocol.
How would you feel if you knew someone in this situation and you knew the truth and saw people turning this into a Deep State thing?
Intentionally sunk only in someone's fevered imagination. I guess the reality of a ghastly accident is too pathetic to accept. It has to be the product of a dastardly plot.
Ok doucebag. Why would Captain Smith, a devoted Jesuit, travel full speed through an 80sq mile ice field during the night, ignoring EIGHT telegrams warning him of the danger and to slow the ship down. Why did J.P. Morgan bail the day of departure? You know John Jacob Astor, Isidor Straus, Benjamin Guggenheim opposed the created of a central bank, and they perished?
Yeah, you are. All kinds of questions. And there are all kinds of answers. Were eight telegrams sent, or eight telegrams received? This was Morse Code, remember, and radio signal reception was always spotty. Here is an explanation (scroll down a bit to find the entry):
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-captain-ignore-the-warnings-on-the-Titanic?share=1
Vinyl chloride is extremely toxic. Look it up.
Its combustion products (phosgene and hydrogen chloride; look them up, too) are also toxic, but not as bad. You have your choice between "worse" and "bad." Which do you pick?
You guys believe what the hell YOU THINK YOU KNOW.
Do you understand what a hotbox is?
It is where the bearings are housed. They very often catch fire per the NS employee. Protocol is keep the trains moving. This happens almost daily he said. You can't sabotage this unless they do it daily.
The fire started 30 miles away and they were told to keep moving don't stop.
Trust me I am the first to believe in false flags. This isn't one.
Respectfully, we should not dismiss the possibility that a bad actor intentionally sabotaged the train or train track with the intention of causing a major disaster.
I live here. Hearing same thing about engineer called it in miles out and they said ignor it and keep going. It's bad. That said, the epa folks and national guard going around taking measurements in the streams and air are not wear hazmats or respirators. If they were, and telling us all don't worry, yeah right.
Again, that doesn't mean there wasn't a bad actor. I respect everything said by those close to the scene. It's valuable input. But you have to think it's possible that there was some ill intent, not just negligence right? Not just possible but highly likely??
It is where the bearings are housed. They very often catch fire per the NS employee. Protocol is keep the trains moving. This happens almost daily he said. You can't sabotage this unless they do it daily.
The fire started 30 miles away and they were told to keep moving don't stop.
Interesting how you ignored the part where I suggested that the actual track may have been sabotaged. ANTIFA has been known to do this Source 1Source 2Source 3.
Look, I understand being blinded with anger about the situation, but the militant way you keep insisting that we stick to the official narrative and don't question if sabotage was involved comes off as a suspicious.
I am angered because his son's family is in fear. They are being told to baseline their health.
He is based and reads this site. He is a first hand witness leading the charge to hold NS accountable. I can only tell you between him and the employee the one and only cause was the hotbox caught fire over 30 miles away and called it in. He was told keep moving.
I didn't ignore it. There was NOTHING wrong with the track.
I understand completely. But isn't it official that some sort of 'detonation' was used by police? And do you think the culprit could have been a 'random stooge' placed there by the DS?
He said and was told the railroad placed shape charges under those cars. They dug trenches on either side put lit flares in the trenches then blew a small hole in the bottom of each tanker. This allowed the contents to ignite immediately.
All right, then. Here's more to consider. The explosions were only shaped charges to puncture the tanks to allow the drainage of the vinyl chloride. They took measures to trap the liquid and set it afire. The combustion products of vinly chloride are phosgene and hydrogen chloride. Phosgene is a poison gas and hydrogen chloride, when inhaled, will form hydrochloric acid in the lungs. Now, as bad as this sounds...it was not as bad as allowing the vinyl chloride to be released by itself. Think about that. Sometimes, the only choice available is between terrible bad and not-as-terrible bad. What would you do differently? What COULD you do differently?
I am not too impressed with the problems of "convincing" ignorant "anons" of the correctness of facts. I don't think anything I have said is "conjecture." The facts of the case have been disclosed. The facts of chemistry are available with a little search in Wikipedia. If the tanks were in prospect of failing from the derailment damage, it sounds like letting the vinyl chloride simply leak out and dissipate was a non-starter.
And there have been worse industrial accidents (e.g., Bhopal, India), so get a sense of perspective. It's not good. It could have been handled better. It sounds like the responsible parties are trying to cover it over. But there are no obvious alternatives to what they thought they needed to do for the sake of reducing risk.
Let me ask his son if something was detonated. I don't believe that to be true. Remember the original story a car hit the train? I knew immediately that wasn't true he told us yet everyone here was saying it.
I can explain the picture. Look at a train axle that sticks out through the wheel. You see the bolts and the axle sticking out.
The wheel when it was removed, the picture I saw, the entire axle that comes out was a rounded off nub. It caught fire over 30 miles out from here.
I would post the picture but the evil government lurkers could see it and wonder how the hell we got it. This puts the NS employee in danger.
This is BS post.
It was total negligence on the railroad. I saw the picture of the axle it was given to lawyers. I wish I could post it. The person who released it could lose his job. Trust me I am the first to believe in false flags. This isn't one.
The axle, what they call the hot box, was on fire 30 miles outside of East Palestine. The railroad told them do not stop keep going. This is standard procedure direct from the horses mouth.
NS had a town meeting last night. My husband's son said they are doing everything to screw them over. Handing out checks to shut them up.
Lawyers are involved. This is far from over.
His son is devastated and fears of living in a house he just purchased this summer. The lawyers told them to get a baseline on their health in case they develop illnesses.
I am infuriated because the government didn't do this as a false flag. The employee who gave the picture stated this is protocol.
How would you feel if you knew someone in this situation and you knew the truth and saw people turning this into a Deep State thing?
Yea and? The titanic was intentionally sunk too, despite warnings way ahead of time, just like your scenario.
Intentionally sunk only in someone's fevered imagination. I guess the reality of a ghastly accident is too pathetic to accept. It has to be the product of a dastardly plot.
Ok doucebag. Why would Captain Smith, a devoted Jesuit, travel full speed through an 80sq mile ice field during the night, ignoring EIGHT telegrams warning him of the danger and to slow the ship down. Why did J.P. Morgan bail the day of departure? You know John Jacob Astor, Isidor Straus, Benjamin Guggenheim opposed the created of a central bank, and they perished?
OH but I'm just a conthpirathee theeristh
Yeah, you are. All kinds of questions. And there are all kinds of answers. Were eight telegrams sent, or eight telegrams received? This was Morse Code, remember, and radio signal reception was always spotty. Here is an explanation (scroll down a bit to find the entry): https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-captain-ignore-the-warnings-on-the-Titanic?share=1
So is it a bad chemical?
Vinyl chloride is extremely toxic. Look it up. Its combustion products (phosgene and hydrogen chloride; look them up, too) are also toxic, but not as bad. You have your choice between "worse" and "bad." Which do you pick?
That's what i've heard, but is it that chemical for sure?
You guys believe what the hell YOU THINK YOU KNOW.
Do you understand what a hotbox is?
It is where the bearings are housed. They very often catch fire per the NS employee. Protocol is keep the trains moving. This happens almost daily he said. You can't sabotage this unless they do it daily.
The fire started 30 miles away and they were told to keep moving don't stop.
Why would I know this stuff? I am a damn woman.
Respectfully, we should not dismiss the possibility that a bad actor intentionally sabotaged the train or train track with the intention of causing a major disaster.
Did you see this comment?
justin_tolerable jasqid 11 minutes ago +3 / -0
I live here. Hearing same thing about engineer called it in miles out and they said ignor it and keep going. It's bad. That said, the epa folks and national guard going around taking measurements in the streams and air are not wear hazmats or respirators. If they were, and telling us all don't worry, yeah right.
Again, that doesn't mean there wasn't a bad actor. I respect everything said by those close to the scene. It's valuable input. But you have to think it's possible that there was some ill intent, not just negligence right? Not just possible but highly likely??
Wrong. Do you understand what a hotbox is?
It is where the bearings are housed. They very often catch fire per the NS employee. Protocol is keep the trains moving. This happens almost daily he said. You can't sabotage this unless they do it daily.
The fire started 30 miles away and they were told to keep moving don't stop.
Why would I know this stuff? I am a damn woman.
Interesting how you ignored the part where I suggested that the actual track may have been sabotaged. ANTIFA has been known to do this Source 1 Source 2 Source 3.
Look, I understand being blinded with anger about the situation, but the militant way you keep insisting that we stick to the official narrative and don't question if sabotage was involved comes off as a suspicious.
I am angered because his son's family is in fear. They are being told to baseline their health.
He is based and reads this site. He is a first hand witness leading the charge to hold NS accountable. I can only tell you between him and the employee the one and only cause was the hotbox caught fire over 30 miles away and called it in. He was told keep moving.
I didn't ignore it. There was NOTHING wrong with the track.
I understand completely. But isn't it official that some sort of 'detonation' was used by police? And do you think the culprit could have been a 'random stooge' placed there by the DS?
More proof the police are the enemy of liberty.
He said and was told the railroad placed shape charges under those cars. They dug trenches on either side put lit flares in the trenches then blew a small hole in the bottom of each tanker. This allowed the contents to ignite immediately.
All right, then. Here's more to consider. The explosions were only shaped charges to puncture the tanks to allow the drainage of the vinyl chloride. They took measures to trap the liquid and set it afire. The combustion products of vinly chloride are phosgene and hydrogen chloride. Phosgene is a poison gas and hydrogen chloride, when inhaled, will form hydrochloric acid in the lungs. Now, as bad as this sounds...it was not as bad as allowing the vinyl chloride to be released by itself. Think about that. Sometimes, the only choice available is between terrible bad and not-as-terrible bad. What would you do differently? What COULD you do differently?
I am not too impressed with the problems of "convincing" ignorant "anons" of the correctness of facts. I don't think anything I have said is "conjecture." The facts of the case have been disclosed. The facts of chemistry are available with a little search in Wikipedia. If the tanks were in prospect of failing from the derailment damage, it sounds like letting the vinyl chloride simply leak out and dissipate was a non-starter.
And there have been worse industrial accidents (e.g., Bhopal, India), so get a sense of perspective. It's not good. It could have been handled better. It sounds like the responsible parties are trying to cover it over. But there are no obvious alternatives to what they thought they needed to do for the sake of reducing risk.
Let me ask his son if something was detonated. I don't believe that to be true. Remember the original story a car hit the train? I knew immediately that wasn't true he told us yet everyone here was saying it.
I can explain the picture. Look at a train axle that sticks out through the wheel. You see the bolts and the axle sticking out.
The wheel when it was removed, the picture I saw, the entire axle that comes out was a rounded off nub. It caught fire over 30 miles out from here.
I would post the picture but the evil government lurkers could see it and wonder how the hell we got it. This puts the NS employee in danger.
I have nothing to gain by lying.