The real bioweapon was the vax. That's what they needed the labs for, to develop and test the vax.
I agree with Clandestine, and no the argument is not whether the virus exists or not. The argument is that bioweapon labs existed to develop bioweapons.
But it seems that Ukraine is too hot to handle for some.
You apparently didn't read the thread. Clandestine is talking about "Covid" and "SARS-CoV2" testing throughout.
He's not talking about the jab nostrum poisons in which we agree are the ONLY bioweapons in play as viruses do not exist and never have. We simply can't confirm nor deny whether somebody was working on making or testing the jab poison in Ukraine.
Clandestine is PATENTLY WRONG as he is reading and sourcing professionally produced psyop material and treating it as reality without first confirming the existence of the very THING they claim to be allegedly "testing" in the first place.
You are making an absurd assertion. I don't know if you're here to deliberately make us look like fools, or if you're a fool yourself.
I imaged viruses via electron microscopy in graduate school. I can assure you, they are very, very real. Again, I don't know what your motivation is here, but you do our movement no good with this kind of silliness.
I debated this moron in another thread on Covid. He believes that viruses don’t exist and that lung cancer tumors are excess alveoli formed during the fight or flight response. He also believes that hepatitis is caused by excess anger. When I asked him how psychological states cause disease (which is his thesis), he just doubles down on his assertions without providing evidence or explaining the causal mechanism. When I pointed out that his model of psychology causing communicable diseases isn’t able to predict the spread of disease, and showed evidence that viruses exist, he dismissed this evidence as establishment propaganda without any proof.
You imaged microscopic particles and believed your professor(s) who believed their professor(s) who believed their professor(s). The blind leading the blind.
I'm here to demolish many lies. The non-existence of viruses and germ theory hoax are but two.
Blind belief in authority is the greatest threat we face.
Educate yourself. This video is a good start. We were all "fooled" due to our blind belief.
I don't answer threads here UNLESS I read what they are about. Who do you think I am? What a weird criticism, and kind of ad hominem.
How do you know if the information is 'psyop' material. I saw the documents that came up: they were procured by the Russian military after raiding Ukrainian labs, and published. These were then presented at the UN Security Council. Of course, plenty of people in the SC vote with their asses rather than their minds, so the acceptance of the truth is still hanging in the air.
The papers showed that Cov19 was worked on in 2015 in Ukraine. Note that they were working on Covid19, which indicates some sort of planning. I believe the SARS part was spliced in by the Chinese lab, given that they had an outbreak of SARS in 2008, so they would have had a few samples - if one believes all this virus nonsense. My thunk is that it is all a computer program.
There are also on-the-ground interviews with locals in Luhansk and Donetsk, in various documentaries, who suffered from weird outbreaks after supposed vaccination campaigns. So, one could conclude that those labs were testing on people living in Luhansk - however, that evidence are from randoms (I saw one of them on a Patrick Lancaster vid).
I tend to believe that sort of evidence, because Russians are very anal about producing documentation that they find. Any 'psyops' are usually quickly refuted, as in, obviously a military feint, and not accompanied by detailed papers. Also, testimonies from random people in the street may not be hard 'evidence' but it corroborates that something was rotten in the state of Denmark.
"Professionally produced" indeed. Are you now on the side of the peeps that say anything coming from Russia is a psyop? Have you even looked at those papers?
It is my foundational assertion that viruses have never been proven to exist. They are instead one of the ultimate boogeymen that the cabal has created to instill fear into their slaves.
Now, that being said. I can agree with the suggestion that there were scientists/researchers who worked in these labs that BELIEVED they were working with "viruses". That's how good this deception is.
So I'll give you that. It's a fair analysis. But the fact still stands that these unicorn-viruses have never been found in the real world/nature therefore whatever microscopic particles these scientists are working with are just that - particles of broken down matter, nothing more.
I've listened to Judy Mikovits desperately attempt to defend her belief that she worked with viruses during her professional career and can agree that she completely BELIEVES what she says. I don't think she's attempting to deceive or purposefully lying. She was brainwashed into believing she was working with viruses. Dr. Andrew Kaufman faced off with her twice, once in a bit of a confrontational manner, the second time in a more cordial manner. In each case, she could not answer his questions directly, instead she could only ramble for minutes at at time, dropping all sorts of medical and technical jargon in an attempt to appear like she knew what she was talking about. I'll admit, it was hard to watch. I felt badly for her more than anything else.
So yes, on one hand, I can agree it's possible there were scientists in Ukraine "bio-labs" that BELIEVED they were working with unicorn-viruses and produced paperwork indicating such.
However, the "no virus" proofs have been widely disseminated across the truther and independent communities for over 3 years now and none have even been remotely refuted. Is it possible Clandestine missed all this? If so, he's not a quality researcher assimilating all the available information. But I find it highly unlikely he's completely unaware of the "no such thing as viruses" voices out there, because there are millions at this stage of the game. So he's either purposefully ignoring them or hasn't done nearly enough research to pass himself off as an "expert" in this saga.
My ultimate "litmus test" is very simple. Is the person spreading fear? If so, they are either part of the cabal pysop engine or don't know what they're talking about. I know Clandestine is somehow tied to George Webb and I've always had lots of questions about who Webb was connected to and what his ultimate intentions were. He was an interesting guy to listen to but over the years I noted that he dug into a lot of rabbit holes that ended up going nowhere. And that's my contention with Clandestine's claim to fame here -> It's going nowhere because of the non-existence of viruses.
Right - the plan was to scare the livin' beegeezus out of us. And it worked on many and is still working as we speak.
The real bioweapon was the vax. That's what they needed the labs for, to develop and test the vax.
I agree with Clandestine, and no the argument is not whether the virus exists or not. The argument is that bioweapon labs existed to develop bioweapons.
But it seems that Ukraine is too hot to handle for some.
You apparently didn't read the thread. Clandestine is talking about "Covid" and "SARS-CoV2" testing throughout.
He's not talking about the jab nostrum poisons in which we agree are the ONLY bioweapons in play as viruses do not exist and never have. We simply can't confirm nor deny whether somebody was working on making or testing the jab poison in Ukraine.
Clandestine is PATENTLY WRONG as he is reading and sourcing professionally produced psyop material and treating it as reality without first confirming the existence of the very THING they claim to be allegedly "testing" in the first place.
You are making an absurd assertion. I don't know if you're here to deliberately make us look like fools, or if you're a fool yourself.
I imaged viruses via electron microscopy in graduate school. I can assure you, they are very, very real. Again, I don't know what your motivation is here, but you do our movement no good with this kind of silliness.
I debated this moron in another thread on Covid. He believes that viruses don’t exist and that lung cancer tumors are excess alveoli formed during the fight or flight response. He also believes that hepatitis is caused by excess anger. When I asked him how psychological states cause disease (which is his thesis), he just doubles down on his assertions without providing evidence or explaining the causal mechanism. When I pointed out that his model of psychology causing communicable diseases isn’t able to predict the spread of disease, and showed evidence that viruses exist, he dismissed this evidence as establishment propaganda without any proof.
You imaged microscopic particles and believed your professor(s) who believed their professor(s) who believed their professor(s). The blind leading the blind.
I'm here to demolish many lies. The non-existence of viruses and germ theory hoax are but two.
Blind belief in authority is the greatest threat we face.
Educate yourself. This video is a good start. We were all "fooled" due to our blind belief.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jajyAdPMdzfJ/
And don't forget, it's far easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they've been fooled.
I don't answer threads here UNLESS I read what they are about. Who do you think I am? What a weird criticism, and kind of ad hominem.
How do you know if the information is 'psyop' material. I saw the documents that came up: they were procured by the Russian military after raiding Ukrainian labs, and published. These were then presented at the UN Security Council. Of course, plenty of people in the SC vote with their asses rather than their minds, so the acceptance of the truth is still hanging in the air.
The papers showed that Cov19 was worked on in 2015 in Ukraine. Note that they were working on Covid19, which indicates some sort of planning. I believe the SARS part was spliced in by the Chinese lab, given that they had an outbreak of SARS in 2008, so they would have had a few samples - if one believes all this virus nonsense. My thunk is that it is all a computer program.
There are also on-the-ground interviews with locals in Luhansk and Donetsk, in various documentaries, who suffered from weird outbreaks after supposed vaccination campaigns. So, one could conclude that those labs were testing on people living in Luhansk - however, that evidence are from randoms (I saw one of them on a Patrick Lancaster vid).
I tend to believe that sort of evidence, because Russians are very anal about producing documentation that they find. Any 'psyops' are usually quickly refuted, as in, obviously a military feint, and not accompanied by detailed papers. Also, testimonies from random people in the street may not be hard 'evidence' but it corroborates that something was rotten in the state of Denmark.
"Professionally produced" indeed. Are you now on the side of the peeps that say anything coming from Russia is a psyop? Have you even looked at those papers?
It is my foundational assertion that viruses have never been proven to exist. They are instead one of the ultimate boogeymen that the cabal has created to instill fear into their slaves.
Now, that being said. I can agree with the suggestion that there were scientists/researchers who worked in these labs that BELIEVED they were working with "viruses". That's how good this deception is.
So I'll give you that. It's a fair analysis. But the fact still stands that these unicorn-viruses have never been found in the real world/nature therefore whatever microscopic particles these scientists are working with are just that - particles of broken down matter, nothing more.
I've listened to Judy Mikovits desperately attempt to defend her belief that she worked with viruses during her professional career and can agree that she completely BELIEVES what she says. I don't think she's attempting to deceive or purposefully lying. She was brainwashed into believing she was working with viruses. Dr. Andrew Kaufman faced off with her twice, once in a bit of a confrontational manner, the second time in a more cordial manner. In each case, she could not answer his questions directly, instead she could only ramble for minutes at at time, dropping all sorts of medical and technical jargon in an attempt to appear like she knew what she was talking about. I'll admit, it was hard to watch. I felt badly for her more than anything else.
So yes, on one hand, I can agree it's possible there were scientists in Ukraine "bio-labs" that BELIEVED they were working with unicorn-viruses and produced paperwork indicating such.
However, the "no virus" proofs have been widely disseminated across the truther and independent communities for over 3 years now and none have even been remotely refuted. Is it possible Clandestine missed all this? If so, he's not a quality researcher assimilating all the available information. But I find it highly unlikely he's completely unaware of the "no such thing as viruses" voices out there, because there are millions at this stage of the game. So he's either purposefully ignoring them or hasn't done nearly enough research to pass himself off as an "expert" in this saga.
My ultimate "litmus test" is very simple. Is the person spreading fear? If so, they are either part of the cabal pysop engine or don't know what they're talking about. I know Clandestine is somehow tied to George Webb and I've always had lots of questions about who Webb was connected to and what his ultimate intentions were. He was an interesting guy to listen to but over the years I noted that he dug into a lot of rabbit holes that ended up going nowhere. And that's my contention with Clandestine's claim to fame here -> It's going nowhere because of the non-existence of viruses.