Clandestine thread addressing doubter about Covid and US bio labs in Ukraine.
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Clandestine loves his downstream reasoning, doesn't he? He never bothers to start at the head of the stream and demonstrate that there's a thing that exists called "SARS-CoV2". Which has led me to believe for some time that he's an integral part of the "truther psyop" now running wild everywhere as the "normie psyop" dies a slow and painful death.
Christine Massey has submitted over 250 FOIA requests to virtually every known national, federal, provincial, state and local "Health Agency" around the world. Not a one of them claims to have an actual REAL sample of SARS-CoV2, instead admitting they rely on the WHO for all their false conclusions about such a thing existing.
And of course, the WHO isn't at the mercy of having to respond to FOIA requests. How convenient, eh? Talk about passing the buck!
This whole "lab leak theory" is just as big of a dead end as the "intentional bioweapon theory" as is the "wet market bat soup theory".
Until somebody can actually PRODUCE the actual THING, be it a unicorn-virus or some type of chemical substance said to cause the amorphous dis-ease known as "Covid", people are just spouting lie after lie without even realizing it.
And yes, Congress, the FBI and the lamestream media are all running with the same nonsense too, some wittingly, some unwittingly as everybody struggles to find an explanation for this massive MIND-VIRUS psyop that's been wielded against humanity.
It was never more than the flu...the true bio-weapon was and still is the Vax.
So what's with ivermectin and quercetin? Just bull shit?
The virus or whatever it was, was legit. I never gotten so sick before and many here who got it can attest to it.
Four Indian molecular virologists were the first out with analysis and concluded there was no way it ever evolved from nature, because it had four sequences of HIV within its genome. Their preliminary paper was printed in BioRX journal.
I sent a link to my former Infection Disease MD over Infection Prevention dept at my hospital and she blocked me 🤷♀️.
I agree. I caught a bad cold year and half ago and it was different then any I’ve had before. Not horrible, but the mind fog lasted long after I got better after a week. Never got tested because I know the PCR was/is BS. Ivermectin got me back to normal PDQ. I absolutely think whatever was spreading was real (for whatever that means) but the fact absolutely no entity that I heard of has an actual isolated sequence sample of C19. Bet your ass the perps (possibly WHO, DOD etc) do, and if it got out, it could be analyzed and proven to be man made. When and if this happens, God have mercy on the evil SOBs, cause the masses will not.
Morpheus11 believes that the human body makes its own bacteria and that viruses don’t exist. He believes that king cancer and pneumonia are caused by an existential fear of death, and that hepatitis is caused by excessive anger (he failed to distinguish which strain of hepatitis he was talking about. When I put forward evidence that viruses do exist and that they and bacteria are the cause of many illnesses, he accuses me of being an establishment shill.
Edit: link to thread: https://m.scored.co/p/16aTCbafm1
Morpheus11 makes a lot of sense. It's controversial, but that doesn't diminish its merit. Germ theory is only accepted because of the persistent messaging we receive from cradle to grave.
How does his model that psychological states cause cancer and pneumonia make any sense at all? He literally stated that if a woman has excessive anger because her husband divorces her, it causes hepatitis. When I asked him how on earth this works MULTIPLE TIMES, he only doubled down on his assertion and did not provide any evidence or an explanation of the causal mechanism at play.
Same thing when he asserted that fear of starvation causes liver cancer. When I asked him why liver cancer specifically and not some other malady elsewhere in the digestive tract, he failed to address that too.
Perhaps germ theory is accepted as true because 1) we can directly observe bacteria and viruses with electron microscopes, and 2) because germ theory does a better job at explaining how contagious diseases spread. Everyone knows from personal experience that disease spreads regardless of the psychological state of the people involved, yet Morpheus for some retarded reason denies this.
I don’t have a problem with people who propose ideas that are counter to mainstream thought. I myself think that the Bing Bang model and macroevolution have serious problems. What I do have a problem with is people who propose theories without evidence and without explaining the actual mechanism behind their theory. I also have serious problems with people who dismiss contradictory evidence solely because it supports the “establishment” instead of their own pet theory. Unfortunately flat earthers and germ theory deniers do both of these things, so I’m going to call them out on it.
I would have agreed with you 5 years ago. I would have probably shared your exasperated disbelief at his statements. But 5 years ago I still thought I KNEW things, when I really only BELIEVED them. If you take a serious look at the things you think you know, and put them through as rigorous a shakedown as you have with Morpheus11, you'll likely come to the conclusion that you don't actually know anything. I don't.
Once you let go of beliefs, a whole world of possible explanations comes into view. Sometimes, crazy explanations appear, but they're only crazy because of lingering beliefs.
Morpheus11 might have been more inclined to share more of his thoughts with you if you had been approaching him in a genuinely open-minded, curious way, but you were being confrontation instead. I get it. It's crazy stuff. But that does not make it wrong, it just means your beliefs are being challenged.
Morpheus has not demonstrated any rigor whatsoever. He randomly assigns different psychological stressors to different cancers while providing no explanation or evidence. Then when I called him out on this he kicked and screamed like a child and accused me of shilling for the establishment.
Saying that examining my beliefs will cause me to realize I don't know anything is an utterly meaningless phrase. Saying that we can't know anything isn't an argument. If YOU are going to make an assertion (like germ theory being wrong), it is YOUR duty to provide sound arguments and evidence. And to date no germ theory denier I have ever debated has done this. Their sole argument is "Come on, bro, you can't possibly trust the establishment", which in addition to not being an argument is an inversion of the appeal to authority fallacy.
Whether an idea is crazy is subjective, flat earthers think that a spherical earth is crazy. I do not judge theories based on whether they're crazy, I judge them based on whether they have supporting evidence.
Firstly, I asked Morpheus multiple times to explain the exact mechanism behind his theory and articulate any evidence in favor of his theory. To date he has provided neither. All he had to do was provide one paper, from any person of his choosing, that explains the exact mechanism behind how psychological states cause cancer and contagious diseases, and show a controlled experiment that supports the theory.
Secondly, asking for evidence and rational arguments is not being close minded, it is being rigorous. Any theory should stand up to scrutiny, but all he did was accuse me of being afraid of new ideas. Furthermore, when I showed evidence that opposed his notion that viruses don't exist, he dismissed this evidence on the sole grounds that it was "establishment propaganda", which is being truly close-minded.
Thirdly, he made clear that his definition of "open-minded" meant "agree with me without question". And he required this complete subservience before he deign to explain his position. That is not science, that is a cult.
Lastly, I do not mind my beliefs being challenged, I welcome it. But any challenger must come with facts and logic. Random accusations of "your an establishment shill" and "you just need to be more open-minded", along with refusal to acknowledge opposing evidence, I do not tolerate.
I have had very bad flus over the years were I felt like I was on death's doorstep. I believe we were conditioned by the media to believe this was the worst illness ever. We were told every day to be scared. We were shown many videos out of china of people dropping dead in the street or lying dead in body bags. Half the battle was in our minds.
Remember the infection and death rates scrolling by state and country everyday? Remember the daily briefings from the govenors of states like NY and by the Whitehouse? All by design to make sure you believed completely in the covid boogieman...ready and compliant to take your expiramental shot. If you believe in Vax shedding, which is highly probable, the true illness was and still is the Vax.
Look up something called the C Elegans, and what it is used for in human brains. Might give a hint as to why Ivermectin works so well against Covid.
Wormbook.org is a decent source
Bravo!
I would agree for the most part, but Morpheus11 is arguing something very, very different here.
Who is this “we”? Lol. Nobody here other than you and a very small fringe think this.
Right - the plan was to scare the livin' beegeezus out of us. And it worked on many and is still working as we speak.
The real bioweapon was the vax. That's what they needed the labs for, to develop and test the vax.
I agree with Clandestine, and no the argument is not whether the virus exists or not. The argument is that bioweapon labs existed to develop bioweapons.
But it seems that Ukraine is too hot to handle for some.
You apparently didn't read the thread. Clandestine is talking about "Covid" and "SARS-CoV2" testing throughout.
He's not talking about the jab nostrum poisons in which we agree are the ONLY bioweapons in play as viruses do not exist and never have. We simply can't confirm nor deny whether somebody was working on making or testing the jab poison in Ukraine.
Clandestine is PATENTLY WRONG as he is reading and sourcing professionally produced psyop material and treating it as reality without first confirming the existence of the very THING they claim to be allegedly "testing" in the first place.
You are making an absurd assertion. I don't know if you're here to deliberately make us look like fools, or if you're a fool yourself.
I imaged viruses via electron microscopy in graduate school. I can assure you, they are very, very real. Again, I don't know what your motivation is here, but you do our movement no good with this kind of silliness.
I debated this moron in another thread on Covid. He believes that viruses don’t exist and that lung cancer tumors are excess alveoli formed during the fight or flight response. He also believes that hepatitis is caused by excess anger. When I asked him how psychological states cause disease (which is his thesis), he just doubles down on his assertions without providing evidence or explaining the causal mechanism. When I pointed out that his model of psychology causing communicable diseases isn’t able to predict the spread of disease, and showed evidence that viruses exist, he dismissed this evidence as establishment propaganda without any proof.
Ugh... so I suppose the question is whether he's crazy or he's just here to make us all look like fools.
You imaged microscopic particles and believed your professor(s) who believed their professor(s) who believed their professor(s). The blind leading the blind.
I'm here to demolish many lies. The non-existence of viruses and germ theory hoax are but two.
Blind belief in authority is the greatest threat we face.
Educate yourself. This video is a good start. We were all "fooled" due to our blind belief.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jajyAdPMdzfJ/
And don't forget, it's far easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they've been fooled.
"Blind belief in authority is the greatest threat we face."
So what you're saying is that despite me independently sourcing, preparing and viewing multiple samples of inorganic and organic subjects (like viruses) to be viewed under a scanning electron microscope, some authority figure was secretly tinkering with the electron microscope that I was using, and doing so all in the name of perpetuating the myth that viruses exist.
I don't know if you're insane or if you're here to just make us look insane.
Your sentiment of avoiding blind belief in authority is a good thing. We need to look at the world with what Buddhists refer to as "beginner's mind". But the existence of viruses is well established and to argue otherwise is simply an exercise in ignorance, insanity or deception. Let me know which one of the three is your preference.
I don't answer threads here UNLESS I read what they are about. Who do you think I am? What a weird criticism, and kind of ad hominem.
How do you know if the information is 'psyop' material. I saw the documents that came up: they were procured by the Russian military after raiding Ukrainian labs, and published. These were then presented at the UN Security Council. Of course, plenty of people in the SC vote with their asses rather than their minds, so the acceptance of the truth is still hanging in the air.
The papers showed that Cov19 was worked on in 2015 in Ukraine. Note that they were working on Covid19, which indicates some sort of planning. I believe the SARS part was spliced in by the Chinese lab, given that they had an outbreak of SARS in 2008, so they would have had a few samples - if one believes all this virus nonsense. My thunk is that it is all a computer program.
There are also on-the-ground interviews with locals in Luhansk and Donetsk, in various documentaries, who suffered from weird outbreaks after supposed vaccination campaigns. So, one could conclude that those labs were testing on people living in Luhansk - however, that evidence are from randoms (I saw one of them on a Patrick Lancaster vid).
I tend to believe that sort of evidence, because Russians are very anal about producing documentation that they find. Any 'psyops' are usually quickly refuted, as in, obviously a military feint, and not accompanied by detailed papers. Also, testimonies from random people in the street may not be hard 'evidence' but it corroborates that something was rotten in the state of Denmark.
"Professionally produced" indeed. Are you now on the side of the peeps that say anything coming from Russia is a psyop? Have you even looked at those papers?
It is my foundational assertion that viruses have never been proven to exist. They are instead one of the ultimate boogeymen that the cabal has created to instill fear into their slaves.
Now, that being said. I can agree with the suggestion that there were scientists/researchers who worked in these labs that BELIEVED they were working with "viruses". That's how good this deception is.
So I'll give you that. It's a fair analysis. But the fact still stands that these unicorn-viruses have never been found in the real world/nature therefore whatever microscopic particles these scientists are working with are just that - particles of broken down matter, nothing more.
I've listened to Judy Mikovits desperately attempt to defend her belief that she worked with viruses during her professional career and can agree that she completely BELIEVES what she says. I don't think she's attempting to deceive or purposefully lying. She was brainwashed into believing she was working with viruses. Dr. Andrew Kaufman faced off with her twice, once in a bit of a confrontational manner, the second time in a more cordial manner. In each case, she could not answer his questions directly, instead she could only ramble for minutes at at time, dropping all sorts of medical and technical jargon in an attempt to appear like she knew what she was talking about. I'll admit, it was hard to watch. I felt badly for her more than anything else.
So yes, on one hand, I can agree it's possible there were scientists in Ukraine "bio-labs" that BELIEVED they were working with unicorn-viruses and produced paperwork indicating such.
However, the "no virus" proofs have been widely disseminated across the truther and independent communities for over 3 years now and none have even been remotely refuted. Is it possible Clandestine missed all this? If so, he's not a quality researcher assimilating all the available information. But I find it highly unlikely he's completely unaware of the "no such thing as viruses" voices out there, because there are millions at this stage of the game. So he's either purposefully ignoring them or hasn't done nearly enough research to pass himself off as an "expert" in this saga.
My ultimate "litmus test" is very simple. Is the person spreading fear? If so, they are either part of the cabal pysop engine or don't know what they're talking about. I know Clandestine is somehow tied to George Webb and I've always had lots of questions about who Webb was connected to and what his ultimate intentions were. He was an interesting guy to listen to but over the years I noted that he dug into a lot of rabbit holes that ended up going nowhere. And that's my contention with Clandestine's claim to fame here -> It's going nowhere because of the non-existence of viruses.
Multiple independent labs have sequenced covid 19. Numerous, honorable doctors who have spoken out against the plandemic are not questioning the existence of the covid 19 virus.
To posit that the covid 19 virus is not real (which is what it appears you're doing) makes us all look like fools. This is only half a step away from those who argue viruses aren't real, despite the fact that I was imaging them with an electron microscope in graduate school.
This kind of nonsense makes us look like fools when we attempt to convert normies and I refuse to mince words about it.
Spoiler alert: he does think that viruses don’t exist and that various cancers are caused by existential crisis or other emotional states.
"We" continue to "look bad" in the eyes of the cabal for as long as we fall for their lies.
Our doctors have all been profoundly miseducated. Many now realize this and a few courageous ones have been speaking out for the past 3 years of this insane tyranny all based on lies. Not a single thing the "authorities and experts" have told humanity is true. Not a one.
Watch the video I shared in your above comment and be prepared to accept the fact that you've been fooled.
In Silico for the win!
Bingo!
Is that so? And what exactly did I and my family have then? Because I didn’t give two shits about catching cov, but when I became ill, it was quite a shitty experience. The „normal“ flu I got every now and then was a joke in comparison.
When my sister caught it, she thought one night she is going to die.
Then she lost her taste for a few weeks.
So I don’t care what congress, science™️, WHO, fbi, you, or the media think of this crap or what they can or cannot produce. They can all go to hell for the suffering they caused with this bio weapon.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jajyAdPMdzfJ/
I wouldn’t trust ANYONE associated with EcoHealth. Especially one trying to tell me the “truth” about Wuhan.
Him and Dzasek or however you spell it are literally the fox guarding the hen house.
I would go with @warclandestine all day long
Huff is going to go cardiac when he finds out all this was executed by our own DoD.
Supposedly already admitted in court by pfizer.
Yeh and there are some great substance articles and vids out there, Political Moonshine did their usual excellent job of corralling all the details of this evil DOD scheme into a single, well cited and detailed, document. (if you've seen, my apologies).
https://politicalmoonshine.com/2023/01/13/the-department-of-defense-and-its-biowarfare-against-the-american-people-contracts-and-evidence/
No, I hadn't seen it. Thank you!
True. Good point. :-)
The vaccine is the bioweapon and this is cover story to give Covid 19 legs. Covid 19 deaths were inflated by naming everything Covid and killing elderly with deadly medications and treatments that were sick with flu. Those numbers were then used to scare World into thinking it needed a vaccine. Which they had made already. Trump knew they had vaccines made already and thought he would get 1 up on them and say they were made quick because of him, knowing they could not call him out. I believe he thought it was just a money maker for Big Pharma and Not how evil and dangerous the vaccines were
“ An evil enemy will burn his own nation to the ground...To rule over the ashes." -- Sun Tzu
Some context on Huff. https://twitter.com/AGHuff/status/1588918694880882688/photo/1
https://clifhigh.substack.com/p/we-all-knew
My Six Steps 2-Cents-Speculations:
DNC and their worldwide associates created Covid-19. To do so, between 2014 and 2019, Covid-19 was created by Democratic National Committee (DNC) members with Evil behaviors, and other associates. Using United States bioweapon labs in Ukraine.
DNC and their associates knowingly FIRST released Covid-19 in China "wuhan wet market". As a DIVERSION. In other words, another FALSE FLAG attack. But this time YOU the worldwide citizens were the target. Second, they released Covid-19 in other countries. Trying to divert you from the real origin. Which is the United States bioweapon labs in Ukraine.
Starting in 2022 and following years, DNC members will increasingly blame China for releasing Covid-19. Trying to fool you the citizens. Using "evidences" which omits information, fake evidences, censorship, and "secret" source and "secret" information they can not share with you for your "safety".
Starting in 2023 or 2024 and following years, DNC and their associates will ask China to pay money to US and other countries. For Covid-19 reparation money. If China pays any, those same DNC members and their associates will steal part of or all that money. To finance both their covert and proxy-attacks on China, other countries, including your country, your organization, and you as a citizen. Trying to further control and own them. Obviously, you can't comply your way out of a dictatorship. So paying this money would be bad for you.
If the above turns out to be true, this DNC's latest diversion scam and steal is very unlike to work. Because since 2017 citizens are increasingly not trusting the DNC and their associates. Truths are increasingly coming out from independent citizen investigative journalists. In turn, the main stream media lost their audience. To the benefit of independent citizen investigative journalists.
We will be a step closer to worldwide freedom, happiness, and peace :)
Disclaimer. I believe that most US citizens have Good behaviors. While at the same time, a minority of US citizens have Evil behaviors. Same for all countries. Including mine ;)
Good analysis. You should make this a post for discussion.
Another evidence denier
Related post by Albionfirst "MASSIE JUST CONFIRMED IT!!! THE US WAS COMPLICIT IN COVID 19 CREATION!!" https://greatawakening.win/p/16aTHAKnki/massie-just-confirmed-it-the-us-/c/
Who? Never heard of him.
All I can say all Covid madness ( mandates, passports, masks and the rest) stopped on Feb.24.22 the day the war started. More to that all cabal clowns who pushed the JAB in the world started supporting the clown in Kiev
If as Dr. Huff claims Ukraine labs are “normal bio-surveillance,” why not do the “surveillance” in our own country?
You should add his video response. He is a man willing to out his face and thoughts out for all too see. I admire that courage!
15 years ago my special lady had a bout of vertigo. Drs now think it was the first attack of MS.
Of course that doesn't mean anything, one in 8.5 billion and all. But I'm bitter that we didn't get an MRI to at least assess as it was weird, it passed inside of about a fortnight and then nothing else for 10 years.
I hope it's not that for your woman. But this site is all about putting together breadcrumbs because we all research better than the bastards who are trying to kill us in the medical profession.
Whether or not it was developed in Ukraine is immaterial. It was funded by USG and developed in some USG funded lab, whether Ukraine or elsewhere. Having said that, Ukraine is a hotbed of evil bioweapon development regardless.