They say x, ask for where they heard about x. They say from y news organization, ask the source for y. If they say z, if z is actually an actual document or otherwise, ask them where in z does y claim x is true.
If z is just another news organization, keep going until they provide (or don't provide) an actual document. If they can't procure an actual document, send it yourself. If z is just another video cIip, ask them for the whole video. Provide them the entire video if they can't.
Do not try to antagonize. Just simply ask the questions as if you were trying to understand their point of view, to learn something we might not have heard.
Agreed. I've observed that the most ignorant and willfully blind types as described above are also the same types who are technophobic, do not know how to 'internet', or only use the internet for FB, IG, YT, Netflix, and msm news. They are afraid to take the road less travelled, value obedience more than courage, and hide from uncomfortable truths in personal issues. Many of the people I know in this category are also narcissistic bully types who will attack any who don't accept their opinions and will never admit they're wrong about anything.
I don't know about the "technophobic" thing, but THIS ...
... is SPOT ON.
When I say technophobic, I'm referring to specific examples in my life who grew up before personal computers, of the boomer gen; people I know, like my mum, who never embraced technology, can barely use a cellphone, never learned basic computer skills, and thus severely limit their sources of information. They are afraid of computers, and never bothered to learn.
It's interesting that there's good/true and bad/false content on YT; both sides can be presented, for a chance to show them which videos depict the truth, but they only pick out what supports their erroneous argument. They go out of their way. Confirmation bias is the official term for that.
Someone on here posted a YT link to an Andrew Huberman video talking about dopamine so I watched the longer version because it blew my mind. One of the things that causes a dopamine spike is hearing information that reinforces your own beliefs. Very interesting considering how vehemently people will defend their own points of view instead on genuinely trying to discern the information and question their own beliefs. Like someone earlier said: they value obedience over courage. I would also say they value fitting in over personal integrity.
Agreed. I watch vids on YT, myself, but I was referring to self-limiting exposure, as you pointed out. There's a lot more out there than just cute kitten vids. For example, tons of documentaries, spiritual videos, how-to vids on dyi projects, that kind of stuff is great. But thank you for defining confirmation bias. I'd heard it before, but never really zeroed in on its meaning.
Yes. They are terrified of being kicked out of the herd. They will do absolutely anything to avoid that.
These people will appease and virtue-signal The Herd as much as possible, so they can remain on the correct side of things and not get kicked out. They shriek at you because you are going against The Herd and they're terrified of "guilt by association" if they're known to be talking to you.
Herd mentality. Mob mentality. That's what we're dealing with.
Absolutely.
Agreed! Right on point.
Someone (reddit) is going bananas over this post...😆😆😆 https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/11zjetf/are_you_prepared_to_be_deprogrammed/
This is sad:
They just don’t get that we generally take in a lot of media, and while any one source should be taken w a grain of salt, we have general trust in these institutions because they ALWAYS, without fail, provide a paper trail.
And have been for many, many years, from stuff no one even cares about to the biggest stories, they’re meticulous in CYA. And when they make a mistake, they actually admit it!
Contrast that with their “We Are the News Now” BS…it’s always sourced to some dude on the internet.
The whole point is, I don’t need to know the source of the source of the source offhand. The media I consume is constantly called into question by its competitors, readers, subjects, and occasionally lawyers, and they’ve always brought the receipts- so rather than make myself insane and just assume they’re lying and making unfalsifiable claims, I trust their expertise- because it’s well-earned.
I wish I lived on the same planet the person who wrote that is on. Wouldn't it be great if journalism really was like that?
On the other hand, replying to my own comment:
Some of them do have good points about the media.
Listen to what they say and take it into consideration.
Omg, I wish I hadn’t followed that link! Those imbeciles are beyond annoying, self righteous schmucks.
Arent they just...😏