It’s not a surprise. It’s not possible to get that many subs underway at one time without months and months of planning. When subs are not deployed, they are being repaired. Period. They are stuffed full of machinery, piping, electronics, valves, wiring. All of that shit breaks constantly. The repairs require planning. What parts will you need, what systems are going to be taken down for repair, it’s carefully choreographed. The maintenance and deployment cycle is already set on paper for years ahead.
So that means if you have 6 subs sitting at the pier, maybe one or two of them can scramble on a day or two notice. The rest are going to have dozens of systems tagged out and offline as repairs are done. It could take weeks to scramble these boats. You would have to first put everything back together. If you fucked with plumbing or components that face sea pressure, those have to pass quality cert tests. You can’t just put a trim pump back in place and call it good.
If all these boats deployed in the same week, a year ago it was on the schedule. Or more. That would be the only way to assure that when the call came, half the trim system wasn’t off the ship. Or reactor controls weren’t half installed as electrical work is completed.
This is a nuclear power plant combined with communication, sonar, torpedo, life support, potential nuclear missiles and trim system. Try to imagine the complexity of the equipment, and how much has to work perfectly. No way this was just a phone call.
I interviewed an ex sub tech for a job once. Its hard to find techs that are curious enough to dig in and fix something when its not working. Today's kids want everything to work and call a consultant when it doesn't. I asked the sub tech for examples of when he knew he had to call an expert. Without hesitation he said, "we didn't ever give up because there was nobody to call. Our motivation was that if we didn't fix our critical systems then we all die.". He was deadpan serious so I said good enough and moved on to other questions.
Problem solving, even if you have to temporarily slap some putty and cram some wires, is an important part of life. People give up too easily, instead of sitting down and figuring it out themselves -- or, if the situation allows, taking a step away and coming back to it after a nap or something.
The critical thinker will try to figure it out themselves, or seek knowledge to fix it.
The weak ones call someone to fix it for them.
...But that's also fine, because if we could all plumb a house or build a shed or lay some concrete then the economy would have less room for people to rise to the occasion.
It’s a great career choice. There are several headhunting groups that specialize in only AF and Navy tech rates. I had a job before my end of service was up. Didn’t have to do shit but send my resume into the head hunter. My first job, half my department was ex military. It’s just more useful than a degree for most jobs. You can start ready to fix it shit, while the college guys have a woeful lack of real world experience.
I was a sonar tech. And he’s right. There is no one to call. You just have to fix it or the mission is compromised. Although I will say I was lucky. Lockheed Martin owns our most advanced gear. When we would do post deployment, contractors would come in from LM and do the most complex work. That’s unusual. Most divisions are just fucked and own everything.
I’m glad I did my time, it set me up for life. Also glad I got out. It’s dangerous. I had several fires and casualties in my time and it was starting to give me sleep problems and nightmares.
Nothing more terrifying than being woken up by silence or an unplanned general alarm on a submarine. They’re always fans and ventilation and background noise, always. Even in port. Sudden total silence is horrifying. It means something is bad enough we just lost electrical, or they killed electrical on purpose. Either scenario could be a death sentence. Fire is the same. Waking up to an alarm and announcement of fire somewhere sucks. You got minutes to figure it out before that bitch fills with smoke and that’s not a place I want to be.
Hard on sleep patterns and general mental health. You don’t feel totally safe closing your eyes to sleep and after months of that in a row your brain starts to hurt.
It’s runtime. Most systems on a submarine never stop. The reactor stuff may get shut down in port, but we bring on shore power and everything else stays on. It never turns off. After a decade, stuff is getting old. Then it’s just a constant battle against stuff breaking. There is plumbing everywhere. Thousands and thousands of valves. They go bad. Pumps go bad. Motors go bad. Electronic boards burn out. Hydraulics leak. It’s never ending. Just the way it is with something so complex that operates in such tough environment. The ocean never gives up trying to get in. A void space in the water is unnatural. Nature never gives up trying to restore things.
Spitballing here. Let's say when Jotater was installed, Putin gave the sub scramble order for now because he knew the Ukraine party was in the batters box, and Taiwan was on deck. Suppose the subs are in part to support the Chinese in Taiwan. Tactically or otherwise.
Also, considering the potential maintenance cluster that may be, and not all are combat ready but can sea trial systems, can you imagine there are at best 3 or 4 western subs lurking out there tooling around. Who/which one do they follow? Which one does Capt Mancuso follow? It just takes one.
Welcome, new fren. I didn't believe in comms until Alec Baldwin shot Halyna Hutchins.
Alec starred in The Hunt for Red October; Russian sub breaks for US during a what is supposed to be a drill.
Alec shoots Halyna Hutchins (in October, mind you), a Ukrainian woman who grew up on a Soviet military base in Murmansk, in the Arctic. He shot her four months before Russia began it's military action on Ukraine.
I recall there being several more odd coincidences, but I swear, every time there's a new development in the Baldwin case, there's news about Russian subs.
I know right? Remember when Baldwin's dumbass was making videos writing on sugar packets with "HELP" messages? Why did they "Wait" until now to help him out after giving him his marching orders to "get the job done?"
It’s not a surprise. It’s not possible to get that many subs underway at one time without months and months of planning. When subs are not deployed, they are being repaired. Period. They are stuffed full of machinery, piping, electronics, valves, wiring. All of that shit breaks constantly. The repairs require planning. What parts will you need, what systems are going to be taken down for repair, it’s carefully choreographed. The maintenance and deployment cycle is already set on paper for years ahead.
So that means if you have 6 subs sitting at the pier, maybe one or two of them can scramble on a day or two notice. The rest are going to have dozens of systems tagged out and offline as repairs are done. It could take weeks to scramble these boats. You would have to first put everything back together. If you fucked with plumbing or components that face sea pressure, those have to pass quality cert tests. You can’t just put a trim pump back in place and call it good.
If all these boats deployed in the same week, a year ago it was on the schedule. Or more. That would be the only way to assure that when the call came, half the trim system wasn’t off the ship. Or reactor controls weren’t half installed as electrical work is completed.
This is a nuclear power plant combined with communication, sonar, torpedo, life support, potential nuclear missiles and trim system. Try to imagine the complexity of the equipment, and how much has to work perfectly. No way this was just a phone call.
This was planned ages ago.
Came to say this. Correct.
You dont just launch a fleet, much less subs, outside an emergency or wartime environment. Very planned.
Source: Me. 24 yrs retired military, primarily AF but 8 yrs SpecOps working with all branches. You get to know things.
Shit is always broken. Planes, ships, subs, it’s all the same.
I interviewed an ex sub tech for a job once. Its hard to find techs that are curious enough to dig in and fix something when its not working. Today's kids want everything to work and call a consultant when it doesn't. I asked the sub tech for examples of when he knew he had to call an expert. Without hesitation he said, "we didn't ever give up because there was nobody to call. Our motivation was that if we didn't fix our critical systems then we all die.". He was deadpan serious so I said good enough and moved on to other questions.
Problem solving, even if you have to temporarily slap some putty and cram some wires, is an important part of life. People give up too easily, instead of sitting down and figuring it out themselves -- or, if the situation allows, taking a step away and coming back to it after a nap or something.
The critical thinker will try to figure it out themselves, or seek knowledge to fix it.
The weak ones call someone to fix it for them.
...But that's also fine, because if we could all plumb a house or build a shed or lay some concrete then the economy would have less room for people to rise to the occasion.
It’s a great career choice. There are several headhunting groups that specialize in only AF and Navy tech rates. I had a job before my end of service was up. Didn’t have to do shit but send my resume into the head hunter. My first job, half my department was ex military. It’s just more useful than a degree for most jobs. You can start ready to fix it shit, while the college guys have a woeful lack of real world experience.
I was a sonar tech. And he’s right. There is no one to call. You just have to fix it or the mission is compromised. Although I will say I was lucky. Lockheed Martin owns our most advanced gear. When we would do post deployment, contractors would come in from LM and do the most complex work. That’s unusual. Most divisions are just fucked and own everything.
I’m glad I did my time, it set me up for life. Also glad I got out. It’s dangerous. I had several fires and casualties in my time and it was starting to give me sleep problems and nightmares.
Nothing more terrifying than being woken up by silence or an unplanned general alarm on a submarine. They’re always fans and ventilation and background noise, always. Even in port. Sudden total silence is horrifying. It means something is bad enough we just lost electrical, or they killed electrical on purpose. Either scenario could be a death sentence. Fire is the same. Waking up to an alarm and announcement of fire somewhere sucks. You got minutes to figure it out before that bitch fills with smoke and that’s not a place I want to be.
Hard on sleep patterns and general mental health. You don’t feel totally safe closing your eyes to sleep and after months of that in a row your brain starts to hurt.
It’s runtime. Most systems on a submarine never stop. The reactor stuff may get shut down in port, but we bring on shore power and everything else stays on. It never turns off. After a decade, stuff is getting old. Then it’s just a constant battle against stuff breaking. There is plumbing everywhere. Thousands and thousands of valves. They go bad. Pumps go bad. Motors go bad. Electronic boards burn out. Hydraulics leak. It’s never ending. Just the way it is with something so complex that operates in such tough environment. The ocean never gives up trying to get in. A void space in the water is unnatural. Nature never gives up trying to restore things.
Spitballing here. Let's say when Jotater was installed, Putin gave the sub scramble order for now because he knew the Ukraine party was in the batters box, and Taiwan was on deck. Suppose the subs are in part to support the Chinese in Taiwan. Tactically or otherwise. Also, considering the potential maintenance cluster that may be, and not all are combat ready but can sea trial systems, can you imagine there are at best 3 or 4 western subs lurking out there tooling around. Who/which one do they follow? Which one does Capt Mancuso follow? It just takes one.
So, Alec Baldwin's charges are dropped AND Russian subs leave port for the US? The comms, people! The comms!
Welcome, new fren. I didn't believe in comms until Alec Baldwin shot Halyna Hutchins.
Alec starred in The Hunt for Red October; Russian sub breaks for US during a what is supposed to be a drill.
Alec shoots Halyna Hutchins (in October, mind you), a Ukrainian woman who grew up on a Soviet military base in Murmansk, in the Arctic. He shot her four months before Russia began it's military action on Ukraine.
I recall there being several more odd coincidences, but I swear, every time there's a new development in the Baldwin case, there's news about Russian subs.
I went to grab these, as well. Let us not forget Q.
https://qposts.online/?q=hunt+for&s=keyword
Her husband is lawyer worked on Sussman case
I know right? Remember when Baldwin's dumbass was making videos writing on sugar packets with "HELP" messages? Why did they "Wait" until now to help him out after giving him his marching orders to "get the job done?"
Alec Baldwin isn't off the hook.
This is not done. There is new evidence and he is not off the hook.
https://communities.win/c/GreatAwakening/p/16b5lQvzhS/looks-like-alec-baldwin-might-no/c/
I have no idea.
It was Alec Baldlose
He'd better not be. Scumbag.
One. Ping. Only.
Scare event. I guess now the push will be we have to increase the debt ceiling