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Yes! Wonderful, thanks for that. Amen.
I think all of us here know what it means to get a "bailout" from God. I know I do. Thanks for the reminder, fren!
Amen brother! Bringing the true meaning to Great Awakening up in here!
Sister
Everyone knows there are no girls on the internet!
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Amen sister!
This is at the the heart of our happiness as Christians.
AMEN
This is fire... You just inspired me to post my Romans " picture q mēm3 dropping it now love you Brothers
Repent, thats not doing the same thing every time and wondering why the result never changes.
Repent, and the result changes.
Amen
To me the concept of Original Sin doesn't seem very intelligent. There is a creator god who wants us to be dumb?
Without getting too deeply into theology, I believe we are taught that original sin means that we are born sinners, imperfect...but with the ability to choose whether or not to submit to God's will. Those who choose to submit must merely believe that their debt of sin is paid and they will receive eternal life. Those who do not, will not.
But the reason we are sinners is the original humans gaining awareness or knowledge right?
Not as I think you are interpreting the word "knowledge" (as in "The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" perhaps?)
Before the Fall, humans, left to themselves, were not subject to "sin", defined as a rebellious or self-destructive urge. They were naturally obedient to God's will. That is why it took an outside influence - the serpent or devil - to tempt them to sin. They would not have thought if it on their own.
I think it's a better analogy to say that, before the Fall, humans were born sane; after the fall, insanity became possible.
But it was eating the fruit of the tree that started all the sin. It sounds as though attaining higher thought itself goes against god. You say we should forget about thinking very much and be like a baby or a beast.
That's alright, I will use the nervous system I was born with that is fully capable of experiencing higher consciousness and reflecting on it. From this perspective the biblical setup appears to be a laughable attempt to control people. What I can't understand is why anyone would believe it.
Thanks to Adam and the Fall, you are perfectly free to make whatever choice you please. I think it's a mistake to consider man's nature prior to the Fall as restricted; after the Fall, he was capable of terrible self-destruction. Before the Fall, he was perfectly aware that self-destruction was possible, but was, in essence, too smart to engage in it. ("Why in the world would I want to hurt myself?")
But you must make your own choices, be it for Heaven or Hell. I like how C.S. Lewis said it: “There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done."
How could they have been aware of any possibilities without becoming conscious by eating the fruit. I'm using the mythological metaphor to critique the story, not that I believe these things actually happened.
Do you think there was literally one guy and girl in paradise or do you think it represents an early type of human? Because to an outsider there is nothing more realistic about a single pair of original human beings going through all this than any creation myth from around the world.
Was it higher thought though? If anything, it's the opposite to me. God gave us everything that we needed to thrive and only gave us the "option" to choose the tree just so we couldn't say that we were being forced. He went even further and told us exactly what would happen if we partook of the fruit from the tree. The Serpent, however, did not create anything, provide Adam and Eve with anything substantive, and lied through his teeth (pun intended) the first chance that he got. One quick look at our world and I'll take the life that Adam and Eve had before the fall every single time.
You think being like an animal is higher. Yes, I know. I think it's weird.
So you equate going with God's design as being unintelligent and a sign of being an animal....but going against God's design and constantly falling short is a sign of being a higher life form? Where are you getting this idea that Adam and Eve were stupid? I'll say it again, look at the world that we live in....look at the content on this site and the issues that we face with deep state governments/politicians, NGOs, and big businesses. Is this the way to you? Peace and unity with God and other humans is of lower value to you, than hatred, racism, sexism, classism, and other real or perceived issues. I think that type of mindset is weird, but to each their own.
humans have more power than understanding. we are capable of very destructive mistakes. consider a deer or a bird. they don't rely on intellect, and they go through life very gracefully. become as little children...
I'm not saying we should have been deer. but at some point we started playing God, and then all these complications on earth were inevitable.
at some point you realize that faith is more important than intellect. that is when you can begin to balance the use of both.
The idea is Adam and Eve were playing god by becoming aware of higher knowledge. Before they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil they were dumb as a beast.
yes. animals have a different type of consciousness to humans. their experiences tend to be very intuitive and very blissful. God knows the human path comes with hardships. and even with rebellion against God. and now that we have some of this higher knowledge, the only way back into heaven is to become 'as little children'.
and that is because faith is more fundamental than intellect. from a spiritual point of view, it is not necessary to amass knowledge. faith is allowing yourself to be a vessel for spirit, which in turn allows you to know everything you need to know, exactly when you need to know it. that is how animal consciousness operates. they play their roles perfectly, and the easiest way for humans to play ours is by striving to act as that vessel for spirit.... despite this burden of intellect that we have taken on.
But because jesus was sacrificed now it's ok to experience higher thought as long as you believe in him. The sacrifice made god change his standard. You are still a sinner but believing in jesus makes it so it is possible to get into heaven.
there was no change of standard. the idea is that faith can move mountains. if you believe that Christ has redeemed you through His death, then you have been redeemed.
its no paradox for God to simultaneously be infinitely judging and infinitely merciful, as God exists above duality.
But in the first place you have to be redeemed because god's originals went against his wishes and ate the fruit and attained higher consciousness. Now there is no way to not have some kind of higher consciousness so we are still going against god's wishes but because of the sacrifice there is a way out. I see no evidence that that relates to reality in any way; none of it.
you aren't listening to me, but that's because you have already made up your mind. not very 'agnostic' of you
It seems we are going in circles at this point.