DISCLAIMER: THIS IS A DISCUSSION THREAD: THERE IS NO ENDORSEMENT OF ANY PARTICULAR ANSWER: WE ARE JUST DISCUSSING A VERY SENSITIVE TOPIC THAT NEEDS TO FINALLY BE CLARIFIED
Now with the disclaimer out of the way, so that hopefully this post doesn't get deleted, let's start the discussion.
Probably stepping on some toes here, but I feel it needs to be discussed at least. I recently FINALLY got around to watching Europa, the last battle. The big 12+ Hour Documentary that EVERYONE in the alt media sphere of influence says you should watch. Took me a while, but I finally got through it all. And I decided that it was finally time to bring this topic up.
Were the actual German Nazi Party, "the bad guys" or were they simply "the losers with good intentions" that were forced to be scape goats.
I'm not talking about the "accepted narrative" about how all nazi's were evil racist genocidal bastards. I'm putting out the question, what is the generally accepted "truth", among those in our sphere of influence when it comes to the German Nazi's?
The reason I'm putting this question out there, is because Q suggests that NWO, doesn't stand for "New World Order", but rather "Nazi World Order".
So obviously there are at least SOME bad "nazis". But at the same time, there is SO MUCH evidence, that suggests that the Nazis weren't actually the bad guys, and that Germany as a whole was used as a scapegoat for both World Wars. In WW II in particular because they did what Gaddafi tried to do and failed. Create a debt free, interest free currency based economy without a central bank.
There's a reason we're saving Israel for last.
I've watched plenty of these documentaries before. And I've always just assumed that there was both good and bad in the Nazi party, and hitler may or may not have been a puppet meant to "lift germany up before letting them fall back down". But watching Europa has me feeling a bit different.
I've never seen a documentary THIS detailed before, especially when it comes to Weimar and Nazi Germany. I know I'm risking getting crapped on and this post deleted in saying this, but honestly, the Weimar-Nazi Germany transformation is almost identical to what we in the United States, and most other western nations are going through.
Pre Weimar, Germany was a devout Christian nation with strong moral fiber, a vibrant economy, and prosperous people with wealth spread, not exactly evenly (they did have rich people), but it wasn't like it is today where .01% control 99% of the wealth.
Weimar Germany was economically depressed to the point of mass starvation, sexual deviancy was not only accepted, it was encouraged. People really don't understand how bad the deviancy was in Weimar Germany. One of the "most popular" sex tourism activities in Berlin was to have sex with an underaged animal, usually a sheep, before having it's throat slit before the climax so as to experience all three of the great taboos at once (Pedophilia, Necrophilia, and Bestiality). Transgenderism and homosexuality were also wide spread, as was basically every other form of degeneracy. Yes, including pedophilia.
Weimar Germany, is what they want for all of us, and we're only a few steps away from it.
Nazi Germany (before WW II), was easily the most vibrant economy on the planet (second only to the US at the time). Unemployment was under 2%, people had government required vacations multiple times a year. Home ownership was over 80% (an incredible feat if you know anything about housing statistics), and those who were still renting had their rent capped at 1/8 of their income. Hundreds of thousands of homes were built and for all intents and purposes given away to young families (young families had unreal mortgage treatments where they got a home from the government for pennies on the dollar).
Likewise, every single family was entitled to several thousand in no interest loans from the government to help buy anything related to child rearing, and there was even a method to void the loan so you didn't owe anything or have to pay it back. On top of this, taxation was based on the size of the family, as well as the income. The more Children you had, the less taxes you had to pay. And at 4+ Children, you were exempt from all taxes except sales taxes. Meaning no property taxes, income taxes, etc. for the rest of your life.
Churches were built and religion saw a revival like nothing else seen anywhere other than the United States. Christianity went from being a minority, to 90% of the population being Christian again after decades of religious and moral decay.
Contrary to modern belief, hitler and the nazis also didn't ban guns. The weimar government did. Hitler reversed that and created "gun clubs" for Germans to both own and practice with firearms.
The only "book burning" that ever took place, was when all of the sexual and pornographic "literature and research" from the degenerate universities was burned by the students.
And they did all of this, through the issuance of currency that was debt free, interest free, and with ZERO gold.
Not trying to offend or sound like a MSM talking head, but honestly. This type of stuff sounds like Gadaffi, or Orben....Dare I say, Trump? The goals, methodology, and promises are nearly the same, if not identical.
And this is just what I can remember off the top of my head.
Now for the flip side.
First and foremost, Ukraine. I don't think I need to say much else, but the Ukrainian Nazi remanent, are obviously not "good people". In fact, I'd say they're some of the most evil on the planet. They're essentially what we think of when we think of the typical nazi, as presented by most historical references.
Then there's the problem of the Holocaust. I'm not going to say it was fake or not. There's evidence both ways, but the fact remains, that it's one of those discrepancies that makes this a complicated and charged subject matter to discuss.
Finally, there's the fact that most of us believe that most of our own evil "American" bastards are of Nazi origin. HW Bush being the prime example, most go for when talking about the subject.
So what's the general consensus? For me personally, I think that the Nazi's WERE good people for the most part, and after watching Euorpa, I FIRMLY believe that most of the west, but especially the United States, will follow the Weimar-Nazi Germany transition model in the post cabal world.
Can you imagine a world (or at least a USA) in 5-ish years, where most people are devout Christians, sexual and moral deviancy is eliminated, traditional morals and values are the new norm, our currency is not just worth "something" but goes so far that we can afford to live a lifestyle like our forefathers did in the 20s and 30s? Where taxes are all but gone because most people are having large families again, thus avoiding the population collapse and eliminating any argument for immigration?
Honestly, it's almost unreal to think about, but that's basically what we've been promised by Q, Trump, etc. Maybe not verbatim, but that's what most of us have taken their various promises to mean.
But despite my belief that all of that is true and/or will happen, I will concede. That I don't think ALL nazis were good. Obviously there were some bad apples, that mostly ended up over here in the USA. So just like everything else, I believe they had good and bad, but were mostly good. And that they were used as a scape goat for WW II to further the cabals goals, and establish the creation of Israel.
TLDR: There were good AND bad nazi's but they were mostly good, and gave the world a blueprint for the recovery of a western nation from the moral, social, and economic degradation the cabal forced onto them. Something I believe most western nations will soon copy
Feel free to discuss below.
What happened to Germany is the same thing that had happened to Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution, and the same thing is happening to America and most of the western world today. The same people are behind the current turmoil worldwide, and they are not Nazis.
When America orchestrated a coup in Ukraine in 2013/14 it was not Nazis that they put in power. It was cabal puppets.
The long and short of it.
Germany was under attack. As you say, Weimar is the prime example of where the whole of Germany was headed
Those doing the attacking infiltrated a legit government just as they do present day.
What you end up with is conflicting information on what exactly happened, and who was actually running the show.
Just like they want it.
My husband and I just watched The Third Reich series on Hulu this week. We kept asking why he hated the Joos and called them demonic. When giving speeches, Hitler looks like a screaming, raving lunatic, but when reading the subtitles, I couldn't disagree with his words. His crowds were even much larger than Trumps! Were there that many Germans who were blindly following a lunatic or did they truly support his viewpoint? They were willing to fight to the death! We finished the series feeling as if we had been duped all these years. We are getting ready to watch Europa, the Last Battle at your recommendation. The verdict is still out, so thanks for bringing up this topic.
We thought we found it, but it doesn't look right. Where did you watch it?
Bitchute dot com. I like the "parts" as they are like an hour sitting
IDK, could of been reverse you know, Sort of like the crazy leftists of today. Poster Boy Hitler and his puppet masters being the demons that convinced, and state propagandized the public through schools and half truths to twist it around to make people believe that those Jewish people were the demons because that faction of Jewish population was actually their spiritual counter? Same as "MAGA are Hate filled radicals and racists!" going on today.. but back then, there was no way to counter the Narrative given to the people.
I am of late the opinion that, it was orchestrated by the same big three families that are still at it today in an attempt of subjugating the world under one government, their government, and control. Mass death, murder of not just a specific Jewish population but, of anyone who they deemed inferior such as people with mental and physical deficiencies to cleanse the gene pool in their image did happen and do not think they are not about to do the same/or have been doing the same today. The children were indoctrinated in schools just like is happening from the radicalized left have been doing to people for 15years now so yes, he had tons of followers, all indoctrinated and saw whomever he directed them to see, other groups of people as needing to be culled. Back then, they did not have internet to counter compelled propaganda. I am sure there was a counter movement going on that, they want forgotten, even within the Nazi ranks, it is human nature to fight back. I do not buy that they were "the good guys" not for a moment, I think it was the same bullshit they have always done and still do. IMO: Hitler was just the poster boy puppet of the usual suspects for constantly trying to make the world in their own image and design, to do what they want with the "herd". Of course, we all have just been propagandized up the ass every since then with conflicting info vr official narrative. Even while it was going on, Certain people and news were PRO HITLER while others were, Oh hell no, wtf are you even thinking?
Is it Netherlands? Dont recall off hand but, countries making it legal to euthanize people with down syndrome, autism and other mental or physical abnormalizes even without consent of the individual in some cases. REMINDS me that they are still working on it, along with Canada's suicide pods of late. Many bad things going on in the world remind me of the bad things that were reported as going on then.
Here's what I think is a 40,000 foot view.
Communism was threatening to take over Europe. It had already begun murdering millions in Russia and was marching west.
The ruling cabal uses Communism as a tool to subjugate the masses and destroy civilization and world order.
You're with me still.
Now on to the more controversial parts...
The same ruling cabal also likes to plant the "counter" movements. The idea being that they introduce two really bad arguments, Communism on the one hand, and National Socialism, on the other, and try to force you to accept a false dichotomy. Neither is good, both are bad. But you aren't supposed to know that. They already know that. Their final stage, the synthesis of those two opposing theses, is being held in abeyance until the intended destruction of society has taken place.
Of course totalitarianism is their goal. But they have to completely divide the people first. They have to collapse society first. And if they can make the Jews, who were behind much of this (if not all) out to be the biggest victims in history, then they get a double win. Victimhood is political power.
The Jews had been vying for nearly 100 years to get Israel to become their national homeland again. What was the result of the so-called "Holocaust?"
Germany was destroyed and placed into receivership by Jewish-dominated political systems. Israel was re-founded and militarily taken by force. The Jews have become the indisputable moral, political, social, and financial leaders of the planet, with the added benefit of being un-touchable because of the easy weapon of "anti-Semitism."
This isn't over.
WWIII is already several years underway. Current target is America. Whites. Christians. The nuclear family. Self sufficiency.
You vill live in a pod, and you vill eat ze bugs. But not until you have no other choice. Think how bad they need to make things before you will submit to them out of necessity. They are planning much worse than that.
You stated many things exactly as I like to state them. I concur. Referring to communism as a tool of destruction by the very people at the top who push it is something that’s fairly hard to get people to see, but that’s exactly what it is. Those at the top to tout it no it doesn’t work. Which is exactly why they tout it. And ignorant college freshmen eat up like molly and adderal.
Ever since learning about Q, I just see Germany as yet another cabal victim. “Those who say they are Jews but are not” have been infiltrating governments, starting wars, and crashing economies since before they did it to Rome. The Dragon is real. This is the biggest cancer the world has ever known and we’re right in the middle of what I can only hope will be humanity’s final battle with them. No. I don’t believe the rank and file German Nazi members were bad people hell bent on hurting people. I don’t know how much of the holocaust narrative is true and I don’t really care. That will be a fun academic exercise once these traitors of humanity are all swinging from trees and the world is finally free of thee satanic influence, but for now, I’d rather keep my eye on the target and not get pulled into discussions I know will put unnecessary targets on our backs and slow the pace of the global awakening by giving our enemy ammo they can use to discredit us. The propaganda on the Nazis runs too deep. I’d rather not contribute to turning people off by delving into that too much and increasing the odds of them writing us off as nutcases, whether we’re right on that particular topic or not. In the words of Star Wars. “It’s a trap!”
Not all truths are as necessary to focus on as others. Timing matters.
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What's with the Shark Emoji?
You need to ask? Kek!
Yup, since I've never had someone send me a shark emoji before. I'm not exactly up to date on most internet lingo.
Mod’s tend to circle. Kinda like buzzards. Especially on threads like this. But there isn’t a buzzard emoji. Just keeping things copacetic Anon.
Got it, tried to make it as “ on controversial” as I could, but hard to do on tough topics like this.
We’ll make sure it stays decent. No worries.
Just read. "Mein Kampf" and Hitler's second book seem to be seldom read, but reading them gives interesting insight into his personality and long-term vision. None of which has much to do with Christianity, by the way. His regard for Christianity was strictly as a useful means to condition popular psychology. At one point, he speculated that Islam might have been a better religion for a fighting people. At least Muslims hated the right people (Jews).
The Germany of that day was imbued with Darwinism and the logic of mercy killing and eugenics, which was fully reflected in Nazi policies toward medical care and family life. Not to mention toward the Jews, the Gypsies, and the physically and mentally infirm.
It was also a time when the public was confronted with a choice between international communism (reflected in the Weimar revolution) and national socialism (the Nazi Party). Everyone was afflicted with horror of Boshevism as seen from what happened in Russia, and the Nazis were the only party opposed to it (from considerations purely of power politics).
The picture is clouded by the fact that once the Nazi Party came into power, it essentially made membership mandatory for everyone, through requirements that no one could ply a trade without being a member of the Nazi party. All labor unions were folded into the Party structure. So, everyone became a Party member, and many did so out of survival pragmatism, not conviction. Thus, in post-war times, to call a person a "Nazi" had about as much meaning as calling them a "German," and that seemed to be a comfortable bigotry for scores of years. (I am a quarter German, and I noticed the anti-German bigotry when I was growing up.)
But the Nazi reich also engendered projects and agencies that were unremittingly evil, the Final Solution and the SS. People who volunteered for service in the SS either desired the power to act without hindrance, or were simply moral vacuums (or both). Some people were dragooned into the SS in order to make them subservient to Heinrich Himmler, who had his own ideas about how the world should be arranged. They had no choice in the matter, but no one was stupid enough to think they could resist and live. Everyone around Hitler reacted toward Himmler like he was radioactive and not safe to be around (they were correct).
There is a remarkable history of Hitler's ascent to power by Konrad Heiden, "The Fuhrer" (1944). He documents the chaotic trajectory that was taken and the flukes of fortune that Hitler rode to power.
There was nothing good in the Nazi ideology. Whatever good there was, came from Germans being good Germans---not from Nazis being true Nazis. It swept up some brilliant individuals, but they were still human beings, and mainly reflective of the high intellectual level...and survival psychology...that prevailed in the Germany of the day. Impressive things were done all around. Impressive achievements...and impressive devastation.
Those who want to find something inherently good in Nazism are simply trying to put a dress over their abiding anti-Semitism. If you agree with Hitler about the Jews, then that is all there is for you---and that is all that you are. It is disgusting to see such sympathies in this venue. It finds imaginary ways to deny the mass murders committed, either domestically or through wars of conquest. This is a squeamishness that a true Nazi would scorn. The SS was proud of what it did. Any recanting to post-war tribunals was simple cravenness. The true believers took poison.
Best reply was already posted here by another anon.
"Fairly easy to get it "from the horse's mouth" so to speak what Naziism was: Mein Kampf is online and can be read for free, or just search some keywords. They were typical Leftists of the period"
Also, Europa is propaganda plain and simple. Y'all wanna stormfag, be my guest, I will be the first to deport you.
Honestly, I'm more interested in the "German Economic Miracle" than anything else. And that's historical fact. I hesitate to say ALL nazis were evil, as pointed out by u/DeathRayDesigner at this point in time if you wanted to do anything in Germany you had to be part of the Nazi Party, so basically everyone in Germany was a Nazi.
I suppose I should try and elaborate on my conclusion I've come to after looking into this topic. I DO think that Nazis (AKA: The German People) were mostly good. And I DO think, that the blueprint used to drag Germany out of the Weimar filth is a good blueprint, and one that we'll at the very least base our own on post cabal.
However, I hold no delusions that the SS were good. Even if you were to accept the fact that the holocaust was fake (Hypothetically speaking), the SS were essentially what modern day politicians are. An elite class that saw themselves as above everyone else, and as such weren't adherent to the rules they made for themselves.
For example, the "debt free and interest free" currency I mentioned? It was based on work and physical labor. In exchange for X amount of Marks, you could demand that much physical labor from the other person. Meaning the entire German Economy was based on equal exchange of labor.
Despite this, Hitler was notoriously lazy. And that's not up for debate for either side. When he eventually built his vacation home, The Eagles nest in the German Alps, he wouldn't leave it. Instead of running the country properly, even during a war, he slept until noon, would only allow meetings for a maximum of 4 hours a day, and preferred to paint the german alps while sipping tea for most of the day.
Quite hypocritical for someone who built an entire financial system based on equal trade of labor.
Euorpa.....does have some problems I'll admit. I'm a history nerd, so I noticed quite a few problems (not even anything controversial, just some weird things that they got wrong.), but like I said, what caught my attention was the German Economic Miracle and all of it's claims. After looking into it more, I found out, that most of it was true. Even the parts about reviving Christianity (though from my understanding that was more of a natural occurrence that the Nazis decided to capitalize on). So that's mainly what made me wanna post something on this topic, since I really do see similarities between the various policies of the German economic miracles and the various leaders on our side have said they wanted to do.
Heck, Orben (leader of Hungary), is actually implementing some of the child based tax policies, and Hungary has seen their birth rates increase exponentially as a result.
Long story short, I DO think there were good people involved in Nazi Germany (Just like there are good people in our government), but the ones with most of the power were idiots of some form or another at the least, and evil at the most. But what throws me for a loop, is why build Germany back up with such a perfect blueprint, only to tear them back down again?
One of the things that confuse me on the topic, and one of the reasons I tried to make a discussion thread for civil discussion since it's an actual topic of conversation.
Just be cautious. There was nothing ideologically that the Nazi Party did to help anything. (Read up on the Sturmabteilung---the SA---which was a gang of Nazi thugs so violent and uncontrollable that Hitler had them all executed in the Night of the Long Knives, turning their functions over to the more discreet SS.) Many of the "good ideas" were sheer opportunism and adoption of ideas from some gifted people (e.g., the autobahn, the volkswagen). The real "economic miracle" was post-war, when Germany---utterly demolished by allied air raids---built itself back up to pre-eminence in Europe in less than 10 years. It was a textbook competition between the free market and FDR's welfare policies.
There were good people in Germany. There were very few "good people" in the Nazi government, in the nature of things. Plenty of functionaries to regulate the actions of others. The case of Albert Speer is illustrative: highly talented as to architecture and project organization, high intellect, but surviving in an environment of dubious morality.
But it is quite seriously mistaken to think that "the ones with most of the power were idiots of some form or another." It is so mistaken, I would deem it a crippling stroke of dishonesty. Read about them, and read what they have to say. To an impressive degree, they were capable of exceedingly clear thought and of solving complex problems. I'm talking about Hitler, Goebbels, Speer, Fritz Todt, Himmler, Goering, and the like. They were capable of exceptional things---including exceptional evil. We pamper our egos by thinking they were all crazy or stupid, but that is because we are afraid to look closely. It is more concerning to me to think that brilliant people could be our enemies, because it is a reproach against intelligence and a reminder that what we do is answerable to God.
In any case, more power to you.
hey man, i just do 9/11, mk ultra, and aliens. i'm not touching this one yet