They keep trying to ""QUOTE"" the Bible about MuH FiRmAmUnT and MuH wUtYeRs, and when one tries to SHOW them the CORRECTED Truth, they go instantly to Leftist bullshit, start making all sorts of False Statements that really don't mean shit....
Am I a little bit miffed by them???
F***ing A Right I am, I've been very badly treated as much by the Flat Head Crowd as by the Covid Vaxxx Crowd, as by the Pro-Sociaists, and I really don't SEE ANY DIFFERENCE between them....
To e, they are ALL Exactly the same, think the same, attack the same, make false statements the same, can't hold or have a rational Discussion the same, and have similar IQs, and IMHO, Chimps are smarter....
Nothing about FE makes sense. It does not explain the 24 hour day cycle as a sun in the air over a flat disc would be visible across the entire disc, nor does it explain the seasons, nor even how ships disappear over the horizon of the ocean. You have to completely disregard the simplest explanation (Occam's Razor) to engage in mental gymnastics to try to explain a concept of our world that makes no sense at all. So ultimately they retreat to the "it's all an illusion" argument. Too much drugs or something. I think the "Hollow Earth" concept with a world full of underground caverns and such is a far more plausible theory, and that's not something I give much thought to. I know the legend surrounding Operation High Jump, but that's all hearsay.
| nor even how ships disappear over the horizon of the ocean
This is what I thought was the simplest, most obvious explanation for anyone.
From discussion's I've seen, there is pretty much agreement on both sides on the "distance to the horizon line on a sphere" math.
What I wasn't able to explain away is why a ship can disappear to the naked eye "over the horizon", but then it can show up again if you zoom in with a telescope or superzoom camera.
^ If that is actually happening then we have some theory or assumption wrong somewhere.
Maybe light curves around the surface of the earth too, but I've never seen that explanation offered as a response?
I'm not a flat earther, but to be honest I haven't bought a nice telescope and tried to see past a horizon line yet either.
Also where is the profit motive of faking space and a round planet? And don't tell me NASA as the flerfers act like this conspiracy goes back centuries.
Did a tiny peek at firmament yesterday, and found this little nugget.
From the Vulgate firmamentum, which is used as the translation of the Hebrew raki'a. This word means simply "expansion". It denotes the space or expanse like an arch appearing immediately above us. They who rendered raki'a by firmamentum regarded it as a solid body. The language of Scripture is not scientific but popular, and hence we read of the sun rising and setting, and also here the use of this particular word. It is plain that it was used to denote solidity as well as expansion. It formed a division between the waters above and the waters below (Genesis 1:7). The raki'a supported the upper reservoir (Psalm 148:4). It was the support also of the heavenly bodies (Genesis 1:14), and is spoken of as having "windows" and "doors" (Genesis 7:11; Isaiah 24:18; Malachi 3:10) through which the rain and snow might descend.
It looks like the biblical translators injected their own ideas into the translation. I think that historically, up to a point (aka Copernicus?) the Western concept of the universe was the earth at the center of the whole system, with the sun moon and stars rotating around it, and the only way they could conceive that as working was if those things were all held in place by some sort of firm structure (material spheres). Hence, oh yeah, let's translate this as 'firmament'.
But they also could NOT have conceived intellectually that a plane weighing 20 tons could fly. Or that wireless communication could exist. etc.
Note: the earth is the center of the system, just NOT materially. From the viewpoint of the Creator, the Earth IS the center of his heart and love, because this is where his children dwell. But materially, no. The earth resides as one component in a number of much larger systems....
We have cameras every where down here but can‘t manage a few on the „space“ shuttle for as they are flying through the firmament? All we have is crappy cgi? I don‘t buy it.
Most translations show the firmament is solid or FIRM.
Like I said, due to Ignorance, people inject their own Opinions into almost everything they know nothing about, and come up with the silliest of ideas, hence, Flat Head Earth Conspiracy Theory....
They keep trying to ""QUOTE"" the Bible about MuH FiRmAmUnT and MuH wUtYeRs, and when one tries to SHOW them the CORRECTED Truth, they go instantly to Leftist bullshit, start making all sorts of False Statements that really don't mean shit....
Am I a little bit miffed by them???
F***ing A Right I am, I've been very badly treated as much by the Flat Head Crowd as by the Covid Vaxxx Crowd, as by the Pro-Sociaists, and I really don't SEE ANY DIFFERENCE between them....
To e, they are ALL Exactly the same, think the same, attack the same, make false statements the same, can't hold or have a rational Discussion the same, and have similar IQs, and IMHO, Chimps are smarter....
Only Hindus and Muslims are religiously obligated to believe in a Flat Earth. The Bible makes no claims of a Flat Earth.
I keep pointing it out to the Flat Heads, but they always retort with the same IGNORANT BS, MuH FiRmAmEnT....
And yet they don't realize they are talking about the Ground we stand upon....
Nothing about FE makes sense. It does not explain the 24 hour day cycle as a sun in the air over a flat disc would be visible across the entire disc, nor does it explain the seasons, nor even how ships disappear over the horizon of the ocean. You have to completely disregard the simplest explanation (Occam's Razor) to engage in mental gymnastics to try to explain a concept of our world that makes no sense at all. So ultimately they retreat to the "it's all an illusion" argument. Too much drugs or something. I think the "Hollow Earth" concept with a world full of underground caverns and such is a far more plausible theory, and that's not something I give much thought to. I know the legend surrounding Operation High Jump, but that's all hearsay.
| nor even how ships disappear over the horizon of the ocean This is what I thought was the simplest, most obvious explanation for anyone.
From discussion's I've seen, there is pretty much agreement on both sides on the "distance to the horizon line on a sphere" math.
What I wasn't able to explain away is why a ship can disappear to the naked eye "over the horizon", but then it can show up again if you zoom in with a telescope or superzoom camera. ^ If that is actually happening then we have some theory or assumption wrong somewhere.
Maybe light curves around the surface of the earth too, but I've never seen that explanation offered as a response?
I'm not a flat earther, but to be honest I haven't bought a nice telescope and tried to see past a horizon line yet either.
Also where is the profit motive of faking space and a round planet? And don't tell me NASA as the flerfers act like this conspiracy goes back centuries.
One of their More Famous Questions is::
""Why has nobody Circumnavigated the planet from north to south and back to North?""
Answer:: I don't know, but it looks like most of it has been already Mapped out....
And they retort with:: BuT Muh Icey WaLlSiE....
Did a tiny peek at firmament yesterday, and found this little nugget.
sauce: https://biblehub.com/topical/f/firmament.htm
It looks like the biblical translators injected their own ideas into the translation. I think that historically, up to a point (aka Copernicus?) the Western concept of the universe was the earth at the center of the whole system, with the sun moon and stars rotating around it, and the only way they could conceive that as working was if those things were all held in place by some sort of firm structure (material spheres). Hence, oh yeah, let's translate this as 'firmament'.
But they also could NOT have conceived intellectually that a plane weighing 20 tons could fly. Or that wireless communication could exist. etc.
Note: the earth is the center of the system, just NOT materially. From the viewpoint of the Creator, the Earth IS the center of his heart and love, because this is where his children dwell. But materially, no. The earth resides as one component in a number of much larger systems....
We have cameras every where down here but can‘t manage a few on the „space“ shuttle for as they are flying through the firmament? All we have is crappy cgi? I don‘t buy it.
Most translations show the firmament is solid or FIRM.
Like I said, due to Ignorance, people inject their own Opinions into almost everything they know nothing about, and come up with the silliest of ideas, hence, Flat Head Earth Conspiracy Theory....
Turtles all the way down, mate.
Has anyone ever succesfully explained why the sun's rays look like they are coming from RIGHT THERE ABOVE US?
If you lok at it, and see the angle of the rays, WHY DOES IT LOOK SO CLOSE!?
asking for a fren
It doesn't look very close to me, and it does look like it's at an angle of about 20ish degrees, which aligns with Real Science....
https://pixy.org/src/41/thumbs350/417937.jpg
At least say "perspective" instead of "Real Science"
It still doesn't explain what I am seeing in the sky.
IF FE were a real thing, we would SEE the Sun and Moon 24/7....
It's not Rocket Brain Surgery Science....
Just sayin....
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