Nothing about FE makes sense. It does not explain the 24 hour day cycle as a sun in the air over a flat disc would be visible across the entire disc, nor does it explain the seasons, nor even how ships disappear over the horizon of the ocean. You have to completely disregard the simplest explanation (Occam's Razor) to engage in mental gymnastics to try to explain a concept of our world that makes no sense at all. So ultimately they retreat to the "it's all an illusion" argument. Too much drugs or something. I think the "Hollow Earth" concept with a world full of underground caverns and such is a far more plausible theory, and that's not something I give much thought to. I know the legend surrounding Operation High Jump, but that's all hearsay.
| nor even how ships disappear over the horizon of the ocean
This is what I thought was the simplest, most obvious explanation for anyone.
From discussion's I've seen, there is pretty much agreement on both sides on the "distance to the horizon line on a sphere" math.
What I wasn't able to explain away is why a ship can disappear to the naked eye "over the horizon", but then it can show up again if you zoom in with a telescope or superzoom camera.
^ If that is actually happening then we have some theory or assumption wrong somewhere.
Maybe light curves around the surface of the earth too, but I've never seen that explanation offered as a response?
I'm not a flat earther, but to be honest I haven't bought a nice telescope and tried to see past a horizon line yet either.
Light does curve around the surface of the earth. When you see the sun just over the horizon, it's actually past that point, but is being refracted around the surface.
Also where is the profit motive of faking space and a round planet? And don't tell me NASA as the flerfers act like this conspiracy goes back centuries.
But unfortunately, that one NASA asshat said on video that they had somehow "lost the technology" to go back to the moon. I'm willing to believe that the moon landing recordings are fake, regardless of whether or not actual landing occurred. But for that guy to say something THAT stupid on camera was just bizarre. Of course, the Flat Derpers cling to that as somehow "evidence" of their theory.
There's also the Antarctic Treaty, which won't allow flights over Antarctica. I think underground Nazi bases with earthquake weapons would be a more likely explanation, but FE'ers say that this is evidence that the world is flat somehow. Yet they cannot explain how it'll be summer in Antarctica and winter in the Arctic. Derp.
Did a tiny peek at firmament yesterday, and found this little nugget.
From the Vulgate firmamentum, which is used as the translation of the Hebrew raki'a. This word means simply "expansion". It denotes the space or expanse like an arch appearing immediately above us. They who rendered raki'a by firmamentum regarded it as a solid body. The language of Scripture is not scientific but popular, and hence we read of the sun rising and setting, and also here the use of this particular word. It is plain that it was used to denote solidity as well as expansion. It formed a division between the waters above and the waters below (Genesis 1:7). The raki'a supported the upper reservoir (Psalm 148:4). It was the support also of the heavenly bodies (Genesis 1:14), and is spoken of as having "windows" and "doors" (Genesis 7:11; Isaiah 24:18; Malachi 3:10) through which the rain and snow might descend.
It looks like the biblical translators injected their own ideas into the translation. I think that historically, up to a point (aka Copernicus?) the Western concept of the universe was the earth at the center of the whole system, with the sun moon and stars rotating around it, and the only way they could conceive that as working was if those things were all held in place by some sort of firm structure (material spheres). Hence, oh yeah, let's translate this as 'firmament'.
But they also could NOT have conceived intellectually that a plane weighing 20 tons could fly. Or that wireless communication could exist. etc.
Note: the earth is the center of the system, just NOT materially. From the viewpoint of the Creator, the Earth IS the center of his heart and love, because this is where his children dwell. But materially, no. The earth resides as one component in a number of much larger systems....
We have cameras every where down here but can‘t manage a few on the „space“ shuttle for as they are flying through the firmament? All we have is crappy cgi? I don‘t buy it.
Most translations show the firmament is solid or FIRM.
Like I said, due to Ignorance, people inject their own Opinions into almost everything they know nothing about, and come up with the silliest of ideas, hence, Flat Head Earth Conspiracy Theory....
Only Hindus and Muslims are religiously obligated to believe in a Flat Earth. The Bible makes no claims of a Flat Earth.
I keep pointing it out to the Flat Heads, but they always retort with the same IGNORANT BS, MuH FiRmAmEnT....
And yet they don't realize they are talking about the Ground we stand upon....
Nothing about FE makes sense. It does not explain the 24 hour day cycle as a sun in the air over a flat disc would be visible across the entire disc, nor does it explain the seasons, nor even how ships disappear over the horizon of the ocean. You have to completely disregard the simplest explanation (Occam's Razor) to engage in mental gymnastics to try to explain a concept of our world that makes no sense at all. So ultimately they retreat to the "it's all an illusion" argument. Too much drugs or something. I think the "Hollow Earth" concept with a world full of underground caverns and such is a far more plausible theory, and that's not something I give much thought to. I know the legend surrounding Operation High Jump, but that's all hearsay.
| nor even how ships disappear over the horizon of the ocean This is what I thought was the simplest, most obvious explanation for anyone.
From discussion's I've seen, there is pretty much agreement on both sides on the "distance to the horizon line on a sphere" math.
What I wasn't able to explain away is why a ship can disappear to the naked eye "over the horizon", but then it can show up again if you zoom in with a telescope or superzoom camera. ^ If that is actually happening then we have some theory or assumption wrong somewhere.
Maybe light curves around the surface of the earth too, but I've never seen that explanation offered as a response?
I'm not a flat earther, but to be honest I haven't bought a nice telescope and tried to see past a horizon line yet either.
Light does curve around the surface of the earth. When you see the sun just over the horizon, it's actually past that point, but is being refracted around the surface.
Also where is the profit motive of faking space and a round planet? And don't tell me NASA as the flerfers act like this conspiracy goes back centuries.
But unfortunately, that one NASA asshat said on video that they had somehow "lost the technology" to go back to the moon. I'm willing to believe that the moon landing recordings are fake, regardless of whether or not actual landing occurred. But for that guy to say something THAT stupid on camera was just bizarre. Of course, the Flat Derpers cling to that as somehow "evidence" of their theory.
One of their More Famous Questions is::
""Why has nobody Circumnavigated the planet from north to south and back to North?""
Answer:: I don't know, but it looks like most of it has been already Mapped out....
And they retort with:: BuT Muh Icey WaLlSiE....
There's also the Antarctic Treaty, which won't allow flights over Antarctica. I think underground Nazi bases with earthquake weapons would be a more likely explanation, but FE'ers say that this is evidence that the world is flat somehow. Yet they cannot explain how it'll be summer in Antarctica and winter in the Arctic. Derp.
Did a tiny peek at firmament yesterday, and found this little nugget.
sauce: https://biblehub.com/topical/f/firmament.htm
It looks like the biblical translators injected their own ideas into the translation. I think that historically, up to a point (aka Copernicus?) the Western concept of the universe was the earth at the center of the whole system, with the sun moon and stars rotating around it, and the only way they could conceive that as working was if those things were all held in place by some sort of firm structure (material spheres). Hence, oh yeah, let's translate this as 'firmament'.
But they also could NOT have conceived intellectually that a plane weighing 20 tons could fly. Or that wireless communication could exist. etc.
Note: the earth is the center of the system, just NOT materially. From the viewpoint of the Creator, the Earth IS the center of his heart and love, because this is where his children dwell. But materially, no. The earth resides as one component in a number of much larger systems....
We have cameras every where down here but can‘t manage a few on the „space“ shuttle for as they are flying through the firmament? All we have is crappy cgi? I don‘t buy it.
Most translations show the firmament is solid or FIRM.
Here you go. Not NASA, though I expect you'll label this as CGI as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBr2kKAHN6M
Like I said, due to Ignorance, people inject their own Opinions into almost everything they know nothing about, and come up with the silliest of ideas, hence, Flat Head Earth Conspiracy Theory....
Turtles all the way down, mate.