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The Classical Education of the Founding Fathers POSTED ON JANUARY 9, 2020 BY MARTIN COTHRAN
The Founding Fathers were of varying backgrounds and disparate political beliefs, but they shared two characteristics that distinguished them from other men of their time—and from most men of any time: wisdom and virtue. And it is for this reason, beyond just wanting to become familiar with who they were and what they did, that many parents are interested in teaching their children about the men who founded the United States of America. But more than just teaching our children about these men, many of us are also interested in how our children might become more like them. So rather than just admiring them for these traits, we should strive to understand how they came to possess them.
Colonial Education When Alexander Hamilton entered King’s College (now Columbia University) in 1773, he was expected to have a mastery of Greek and Latin grammar, be able to read three orations from Cicero and Vergil’s Aeneid in the original Latin, and be able to translate the first ten chapters of the Gospel of John from Greek into Latin.
Thomas Jefferson received early training in Latin, Greek, and French, and then continued his formal education at a classical academy in preparation for attending the College of William and Mary, where his classical education continued, along with his study of law.
When James Madison applied at the College of New Jersey (now Princeton), he had already read Vergil, Horace, Justinian, Caesar, Tacitus, Lucretius, Phaedrus, Herodotus, Thucydides, and Plato. Other key figures in the American founding received similar educations.
“Americans view the Founding Fathers in vacuo, isolated from the soil that nurtured them,” says Tracy Lee Simmons in his book, Climbing Parnassus: A New Apologia for Greek and Latin. For the founders, says Simmons, instruction in wisdom and virtue came principally from two places: “the pulpit and the schoolroom.”
We are already fairly familiar with the explicitly biblical influences on America’s founding, but we are far less familiar with the classical influences on the founders—and how these two influences worked in concert to mold their education and their thinking.
The typical education of the time—what we would now call a classical education—began at about age eight. Students who went to school were required to learn Latin and Greek grammar and to read the Roman historians Tacitus and Livy, the Greek historians Herodotus and Thucydides, and to translate the Latin poetry of Vergil and Horace. A formal education also stressed the seven liberal arts: grammar, logic, and rhetoric (the trivium), as well as arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, and music (the quadrivium).
Several of the founders, including John Adams and John Hancock, attended Harvard. The sole academic requirements for admission to Harvard University in the 1640s were as follows: “When any scholar is able to read Tully [Cicero] or such like classical Latin author ex tempore and make and speak true Latin in verse and prose suo (ut aiunt) marte [by his own power], and decline perfectly the paradigms of nouns and verbs in the Greek tongue, then may he be admitted into the college, nor shall any claim admission before such qualifications.” No ACT or SAT scores. No application essays. Just Latin and Greek.
Students were also required in these early years of Harvard, with limited exceptions, to use only Latin in class or in class assignments. Some of this undoubtedly changed by the time the founders attended, but not much. When it came to classical education in colleges of colonial times, they took no prisoners.
But what of those who were not college graduates, such as George Washington? Were they influenced in any way by classical education? In Washington’s case, while he had little formal education, he admired classical thinkers greatly. He also insisted on a classical education for his stepson.
Classical influences were pervasive in the schoolroom, but it didn’t stop there. Even what Americans heard from the pulpit was imbued with classical references and allusions. Today it is not uncommon to hear some say that Christians should shy away from the pagan authors of antiquity, but this is an idea the generation of the founders—including great Christian thinkers such as Cotton Mather and Jonathan Edwards—would simply have considered preposterous. In fact, all of the great Christian theologians and thinkers of early America were soaked and steeped in the classics. Not only did they think a classical education was consistent with a Christian vocation, they considered it absolutely essential.
How the Classics Influenced the Founders If the founders were steeped in classical thought, how did it affect their own thinking about the new nation? For one thing, it inculcated in them a respect for the lessons of history, which is readily apparent in their writings and debates about how to construct the American Republic. “I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided,” said Patrick Henry, “and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past.”
They combed the annals of the ancients for examples of governments that worked well—and for those that did not. They knew, well before the philosopher George Santayana was born to say it, that “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
“These men,” says Simmons, discussing the Philadelphia debates in 1787, “had read and digested Polybius, Aristotle, and Cicero, and they used the ancient luminaries to frame and illustrate their ideas before the assembly…. These heated yet erudite debates, along with the Federalist Papers, fairly pullulate both with subtle classical allusions—with which Madison, Hamilton, and Jay assumed readers to be tolerably familiar—and direct references to the leagues—Amphictyonic, Achaean, Aetolian, Lycian—formed by the ancient Greeks in order to achieve political and physical security.”
Classical Education Today To become inspired by the great deeds of great men is to obtain the motivation to do similar things. But while we can admire other men, that won’t necessarily make us more like them. In order to become like those we admire, we must not only admire them, we must do what they did.
It is tempting to look back on the education of these great Americans and think that their course of education is too difficult for the students of today. But that would be a grave mistake. The fact is that we have advantages they didn’t have. For example, the educational resources available to colonial children were not only harder to find, but of vastly inferior quality than today.
We can, moreover, say we lack their fortitude, but that is not something they brought to their education—it is a benefit they received from it.
Education is the cultivation of wisdom and virtue. In deciding how to accomplish this with our own children, we would do well to see how it was done in a time when wisdom and virtue were more prevalent than in our own.
https://www.memoriapress.com/articles/classical-education-founding-fathers/
There were two other things that were common amongst many of the founding fathers. British titles and Freemasonry.
That said, I think the founding fathers managed to create an enduring constitutional republic, right underneath all the deceit and treachery of the people behind them.
Mom and Dad both had latin in HS in the 50s. Wasnt even offered when I was in HS in the 70s/80s.
These days Americans are ignorant of their own founding documents and letters, let alone classical teachings.
In this article the guy claims this:
"The United States founding documents are straight up Roman in origin."
"How odd that a bunch of scrappy 6th generation uneducated American colonists who mostly farmed & lived in shacks would have been such experts in Roman Law & terminology…"
"...and that they would have wanted to use it in designing & drafting the founding documents of their “revolutionary” new country."
WHERE DOES HE GET THIS IDEA?
Idiocracy? 2006 movie is pretty close to current state of retardation. People are so dumb now they cannot imagine educated colonists that understood law, language, and natural rights.
-Joe (Speaking as inspirational leader)
I agree with you. People were scholars and were free of idiot-making distractions like those of today. Think about it. Our minds and brains are being constantly seduced and distracted by the following teasers:
1,000 channels on cable TV with international news (and propaganda), game shows, reality shows, Twitter/X, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Paid Celebrity influencers, Hollywood and its carefully crafted advocacy, politics and agenda, Fiction programming, Nonfiction fake news, Dystopian fantasies, Horror titillation, Religious indoctrination - all can be found at the tip of your fingers.
Add in the addictive video games, TikTok challenges, Sports, Porn, and neverending cell phones notifications for Texts, Sexts, advertisements and social postings.
There is the constant LGBTQ influence and push, the massive cabal-owned and controlling media enterprises that broadcast 24/7 censored, rewritten and sanitized news that fits their agenda. And, the constantly-evolving internet database that can take you into rabbit holes that go on forever.
How do we even have time to think??
We don’t have time to think. Time to unplug and take a short break in an EM-shielded bedroom with earplugs in and a thick classic book when it all becomes a bit much.
Cellphone gets turned off in airplane mode and put into faraday bag. Otherwise, there is no peace and quiet.
^^^ 100% THIS ^^^
YES!!!!
We fail to understand that in those days, there was no radio, or TV, or Internet to ogle at ‘after hours’. They read. They read every book they could get their hands on. Not starting as adults. They were reading at age 8.
We have no concept of an entire generation sitting down every night to read.
Going to the published source document, I would submit for your review article 1 of the treaty document referenced by this video.
It clearly identifies the founding colonies and specifies that the king of England recognized them to be free sovereign and independent States. This legal language is abundantly clearas to meaning and it is further clarified as to meaning by the king agreeing to treat with these sovereign states which is to say they exist on the same level and authority as the sovereign State of Britain. Finally, the king relinquished all claim to government, property, and territorial rights of the founding colonies.
I would encourage further reading. I find the source text at the link below.
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/treaty-of-paris
I think this is 1783 Treaty of Paris. Sometime between 1783 and 1788 signing of US Constitution, the Crown purchased colonial debt from the French (suspected 1785 or 1786). In exchange for Central Bank, Bill of Rights was not blocked by British agents (1791).
Central Bank had 20 year charter and assured interest payments on debt to Crown. When Bank charter not renewed in 1811, Britain attacked (War of 1812) until US achieved stalemate and agreed to new bank 1816-1836, ended by Andrew Jackson, and liquidated 1841, setting up the Civil War with Britain funding the South directly via “the Royal colony” South Carolina.
The US has been actually “free” for about 31 years (1783-1790, 1812-1816, 1841-1861) since “winning”. Bill of Rights was a true win, but it has been continuous undermining of sovereignty by Britain since 1791.